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It's the lacto bacillus in milk. If you'd like to concentrate that goodness, read up on making a lacto bacillus serum. Once you have a pure form of it, mix half half with molasses and it will keep for a year in the fridge. It has so many more uses than just being a super anti bad bacterial, its probiotic for you and your pets too.

Pat is on a one way ticket to becoming the Pablo Escobar of Cape Town.

Pity that site went down Here's a decent tut on Youtube

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Yeah. It may seem daunting and difficult to grow cannabis. But it's not. Cannabis practically grows itself. Over the years as I have seen new growers come and go, the main problems are lack of patience as @SkunkPharm said, and misconceptions about fertilizer, where people treat it as a plant steroid, hoping to speed things up. We are a generation where everything must happen yesterday. Plants are own their own rythem. To me there is no better therapy than slowing yourself down to natures pace. Again, not putting THC down, but the value proposition is skewed, and the client is losing.

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I'd say get yourself one or two QBs. My veg tent is 1.2*1.2*2.0 and I use 2 of the QBs pulling 60w each. Covers the tent fully Sent from my G3312 using Tapatalk

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I've bought my HID lighting from Hydro Herb, no problem and pretty breezy experience although I did go physically there Alibaba here I come

Update

Using lactobacillus to make your own organic fertilizer. http://www.csdbahamas.org/news/2018/2/15/how-to-make-your-own-effective-all-natural-fertilizer

General light reading on the bacterium that make up the group, and their symbiotic relationship with us humans. https://www.immunityfuel.co.nz/page/lactobacillus-bacteria/

Bump. Adding to current conversation. The link doesn't work anymore but could use this thread for the conversation.

I would use the serum. The point of the serum is to concentrate the bacteria. The organisms with the most individuals on the battlefield win the war. It's a matter of shear force with numbers in the micro world.

If you speak to people buying indoor, I feel most would agree that R100/g is not a bad price. I personally know of friends and other people who pay more than R100/g when purchasing their weed and they are very happy to do so, I don't agree with it and have never paid R180/g for indoor. For me it's hard to justify, hence why I am growing. These friends on the other hand are happy to do so, I even know a girl who pays around R250 for "hydro". She only smokes hydro and sativa's. At the same time I know of people who buy cheap weed, like R15/g upto R30/g. It's not the best stuff obviously but it gets them stoned and they're happy as they cannot afford the better stuff. Some of the stuff around the R25 - R30/g has been pretty decent too on occasion. Some people are happy to spend high amounts of money on certain things, which mean something or have high importance to them while others wouldn't. A few good examples are: Computers Cellphones Cars Clothing Common items which are used every day. For some spending under R10k on a laptop / computer is a lot, for others that's considered cheap. For others who are "enthusiasts" or gamers, dropping R40k is easy and you can even spend more. Cellphones, I don't even feel I need to explain here but a new iPhone and the latest Samsung flagship are around the R20k mark I believe, thats a lot of money for a phone. I personally spent waaay less and am perfectly happy with my phone and I know of people who spend even less on their phones. My sister's phone cost jsut over R2k, a tenth of the latest flagship and she's super happy with it and it works great for her and her needs. Cars, they all kinda do the same things and get you places but just look on the roads and you quickly notice the contrast in priceing on cars. The luxury cars are common on the road (Audi, BMW, Merc) and they have an average price of R550k+ and then you look at the more expensive cars such as your Land Rovers, Jaguars, Jeeps, Porches and more expensive luxury cars (S3, RS3, AMG, M3, M4, Evoque) and these are all cars I see on a regular basis. Dare I say at least once a week. At the same time the road is filled with cheaper cars too, like your Kia's and Hyundai's from the low end i10 and Picanto to some of the pricier models. Clothing. You get people spending R500 on a Levi T-shirt, you get people spending R200 on a woolworths T-shrit and people spending R100 or less on a Mr Price / Jet T-shirt. Some people insist on branded clothing while others would rather buy what they like and feel is good quality and some people don't care and just need something so they are not naked in public. We can even bring food into the mix, buying your kellogs cereal vs the cheap Pick n Pay brand. The Checkers branded biscuits vs the bakers biscuits. Heck 1 ply vs 2 ply toilet paper. People consider certain things more important and therefore will rather spend more money on somethings than others. People also earn differently.

So... I kinda see value as this was an idea I played with. It ended up in me setting up someone and I teach him to grow and I take 20% of his harvest. There are many people out there who wants to have the Legal Home grow, but they are too scared, lazy, dumb to do it themselves . (Oh wait too busy making bucks) I know a few people with mega bucks that just want to try and stay on the legal side. Easy sale to them. Hey bro. You need this shit for your medical issue. Growing is legal buying is not. What you say I help you grow at home and then I take 20% of your harvest for the first 12months. My success on this grow of yours depends on how successful I am at teaching you. I can guarantee with proof that I will outgrow your first year's attempt at growing by much more than 20%. So basically I'm giving it to you for free. SHARE THE LOVE (always add that in the end of course otherwise you look like your trying to make a buck out of the person or scamming)

R100 a gram indoor price is ridiculous. Growing my own puts my outdoor at less than R1 a gram. Indoor costs me R10 a gram with current eskom rates.

You probably be better off then just buying 50g of 100/g bulk from someone. Cannabis isn't difficult to grow like Totemic said, people are just being lazy konte that doesn't want to do anything for themselves. Honestly Psy no offence bro but no granny is gonna be taking part in this shit, she can barely fork out money for monthly food, bills and the odd going to the shop with the car she's had for 15 years. This service, this service is for the rich naiers who's got too much money, not enough cells to drive that washing sponsie he calls a brain and somebody that's lazy as fuck. Honestly if you wanted weed to smoke and you buy, what's wrong with good outdoor buds that's actually good genetics and not invested with some dude's man juice at a lovely 30/g bulk price. Anybody using this, jy's n dom poes. Sent from my G3312 using Tapatalk

Once again it goes back to convenience. It's not a service for those who grow or want to grow. It's for the people who don't have space or time to grow or don't want the hassle of growing, they want the convenience of paying money and getting weed. All the worry of pests, pH, watering, load shedding etc. Etc. Is taken away from them and it seems a bit more safe than buying from some dealer - perhaps the person doesn't even have a dealer. Some granny who read cannabis can help her back pain and then heard about THC, it's a no brainer for her as she won't consider growing herself. Perhaps she's even in a wheel chair. I feel the idea is great, the execution and lack of transparency / info could be improved. Sent from my Redmi Note 7 Pro using Tapatalk

People don't have patience. Others cannot grow anything. But I am totally with you. This is what you can do with R4000. This is his 2nd and 3rd plant. Perpetual harvest. We went with 2 x 50w Cree cxb 3590 cobs. Auto seeds. Freedom farm soil, 20l pots, biobizz Bloom, 2 fans. He is harvesting 40-50grams. R300 electricity. Sent from my VTR-L09 using Tapatalk

I get why they want to flip to flower ASAP as a client isn't going to want to wait 4 or 5 months for some weed when they're paying each month. Who here would trust someone with 5 months of pay without receiving any weed, wait half a year for some weed. It's a bit much. Also if Yiu give members a chance to pick how long they want their plants to grow for, it becomes a nightmare to manage. Perhaps within time they might consider it if all goes well. Not to mention the longer you wait to harvest, the more that can go wrong. Sent from my Redmi Note 7 Pro using Tapatalk

So I trimmed the 3 plants in front, defoliated and cleaned them up quite a bit. Another Bruce Banner plant started showing it sex (the one to the left in the picture), it was a female and a bit larger so I did some LST again as I had left it to do it's own thing for a bit and then swapped it out in my tent. The smaller (to the right in the picture) Bruce Banner will be going to another forum member as he has the space to grow it out, unlike me. I also noticed that the smaller Bruce Banner wasn't too happy with the previous feed, nutes were a bit too strong so I will ease up on the nutes for the next feed and then after that I will probably do a flush before flipping to flower. I much prefer the Plant Matter fabric pots (lighter colour) over the Grow Guru fabric pots (black). Their sizing is a bit more convenient, not as wide but a bit taller.

A fool and their money are soon parted.

Shit dude I'm so high I was like "dafuq is this guy coming out here from nowehere" only to realise you changed your profile pic

I'll do 4 for 4k Fight me

Day 20 of flower

LoL fucking sign me up bru that's a much better deal. You mind doing 3 of those girls for 5k?[emoji1787] Sent from my G3312 using Tapatalk

This is what 'GroErr' had to say in the RollitUp forum regarding using LED floodlights: "I've tried some of those flood lights and even had one running in a small breeding tent for a while. I also tried some smaller one's (70w) in veg. They tend to generate more heat than most lights as they're typically passively cooled so not the greatest in small spaces. They will grow plants, just not as efficiently as higher end LED's like COBs or the newer QB diode based panels. I put mine away and grabbed some COBs to replace them, they may get used whenever I need additional heat but not up to par, even for veg." This is what 'berulakide' had to say on the same thread: "I actually use a small led floodlight for clones and a little veg. It is a 12v and I run it off a computer power supply and a small comp fan running off it as well. Not optimum but was free and fits in my space. If I was buying I would get something else." Conclusion: They could work but are definitely not optimum. Source: https://www.rollitup.org/t/led-floodlight-for-growing.957426/

Dooooooo iiiiiiiiit

I have 6x QB 288 v2's (the chinese clones of the HLG's) and they are great! Plenty of power, I do not run them at their max capacity though, no need to and they are more efficient when run at lower power. I have also not heard great things about Hydro Herb, heard of more than one forum member having issues with them - not to mention the original HLG products are not cheap.

LOL yes... One of those 4 is plenty for a few mothers and clones and and and... Very good in veg... I have it in bloom though, and am looking for others that also have the light for more input and stuff about it

Just an update on these plants. Photos taken Monday. All been defoliated. no clue of sex yet, heres to hoping for at least a 70% female return.

Thanks very much... I'll take a look this weekend and maybe start a brew

So glad this works thanks for the info!

Haha. It's safe. Safer than modern chemical preservatives in the food industry. Your pickles any pickles from beetroot to gherkins are lacto fermented. That's the preserving process. I mean the real homemade pickles, not mass produced shop crap.

Especially people in certain positions where them having a criminal record will ruin their career. Such as someone who works in law (lawyer) or finances (CFA or even a CA).

So I stumbled upon this: https://permies.com/t/54482/Homemade-Lactobacillus-Serum I am sorry but that does not sound safe to eat. Still curious to try it, although would need to find a one way valve to make some. I'll feed it to my plants but that is it.

If it's so good... Why aren't more okes putting a super cheap and very available ammendment in their mixes? I literally cannot find any mention of milk and hydro or milk and soil on the internet... Gonna check more out about the serum... I have read about it before, but didn't take that much note at the time, probably looking for other info lol

Exactly, and the law is bound to change soon again, and I look toward that finality. This is a very temporary grey area we are navigating.

I'm not salty, I'm wysing you straight how the fuck it is. If you don't smaak it go kak in a bos or hou your bek Sent from my G3312 using Tapatalk

Small update on my milk experiment... There seems to be a really good reaction... I have a control tub of milk water... And then the res. I add 5ml to the res, and 5ml to the control tub... The water in the res clears up within 24 hours, the control tub does not clear. This means that my roots are absorbing the milk, or the microbes and mycos are... Either way, the plants display beautifully and happy... New growth seems to look Like it's trying to climb out of itself... Praying leaves... So either the milk is being absorbed by the roots and that is making the plants happy... Or the microbes and mycos are absorbing it and they are happier, in turn making the plants happier... Maybe there is a chain of events that the microbes process the milk, and feed the processed milk to the roots... All I'm saying is... I'm gonna run more tests, but I am onto something here

Where do I sign up? hahahaha

I completely get what you're saying, although once again not everybody wants to put in the time and effort or has the space. Take a business man who is constantly traveling and only home 3 nights a week as an example, or a single mom with 2 kids. In terms of value for money, it was worked out to around R100/g and that is not a bad price for indoor when others are selling indoor for R150+ and then selling their "hydro" for R250+ per gram. If / when dispensaries come to be in SA, it's a similar concept but more choice and no waiting and prices will most likely be higher than R100/g for good quality indoor. Obviously we cannot comment on the quality of THC's bud yet, I'd hope for it to be decent though. Growing weed vs buying high quality weed, generally it will always be cheaper to grow it than to buy it otherwise why are people selling it so cheap in the first place? Painting a room yourself vs hiring someone to paint it for you. This concept often applies to a lot of DIY things and it's often quite a bit cheaper to do it yourself than to have someone else do it for you - it may be convenient for them to do it for you but it comes at a premium. Growing weed is no different. If I were to do what THC are doing, yes I would do it differently but right now with them starting out I totally understand where they are coming from with regards to their options and how they are doing things. I may not fully agree with them, but I do understand them.

Legality. I am no public defendant of THC, I've just looked at every aspect when it comes to growing and the sheer amount of time & effort justifies the price per gram over and over again no matter how you look at it.. Car guards: nobody really needs em, most complain about em but the few who do use them appreciate the service.

The thing is, once you are setup, running a 400w HID, perhaps 2 fans, in a sq meter tent...the electricity a month is less than THC's monthly membership. Reducing veg time with clones you can veg for 3 weeks, fit 12 plants/clones, and harvest 300 to 400g. 75% to 100% more cannabis at less cost. What am I missing?

Vegging for 2 weeks? Yeah definitely 5L pots that's pathetic. Unless you do full hydro two weeks ain't gonna do fokol for the cause. Genade some naiers Sent from my G3312 using Tapatalk

3 months paying that you get 120w QBs, pull 80g dried once. Sent from my G3312 using Tapatalk

I have changed my tune slightly... Good for them... Doing what they want and Winning... I wouldn't be surprised if the haze club turns into a dispensery after legalization, depending on the ruling... This could be a great way to build revenue to open up a quality dispensery.. I still do not agree with what they Are doing.. But good for them and for the peeps who have that kind of money for their meds

Keep me posted to how it goes with your buds forming... I see the milk does leave a bit of a residue... Maybe go in alil weaker, seeing as your first go was successful... The ratios the internet has played with say a 20% mix is also very effective... Might be all you need to get rid of it

Transplants done, using new plantmatters 22L's I much prefer these dimensions than those of FF, they are not as wide but are taller which means more can be squeezed into a small space Also using newly obtained OM soil. Will be topping in a day or two after transplant shock wares off. Root zone of one plant: