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@PsyCLown products like Terpinator, BudCandy, Ripen, etc and I'm sure TopMax most likely also uses some sort of flavor enhancers. Just to clarify I did not mean it leaves a bad taste in the bud, most OG growers can tell you, depending who grew it with what, it'll have its own distinct taste.

Week 12 Flowering Here we are at week 12 flowering, ladies are filling the growboksie with nice nugs and truly wonderful flavors, from fruity tang to that earthy and even some fuel! Just giving plain water, the choco 3 and hidden BlueBerryKush are basically done, with the competition Choco and other BlueberryKush seemingly in sync at the moment. Not in a big rush to chop, will see how far I can take em.

One can have microbes and use synthetic nutes. I feel that when people think of organic, they think of soil - however you can use soil and have nothing else organic in your grow. On the flip side, you can do hydro or grow with coco / perlite and use organic nutes and feed with teas and have tons of microbes - it may not be the most ideal environment due to the lack of organic matter to break down however it is possible and there are people who do this. @Ssomeguy you feel an indoor grow is not organic, I assume considering the environment?

If I may ? Don't know if this is correct etiquette hereabouts ?

Ah, @PsyCLown, please allow me to take the entire forum down the rabbit hole of structured water.... If you would be so kind ?

Pruned the healthy lady and topped to her third node. Going to continue with LST in a few days as the two main nodes start to recover and grow from the stress of the pruning. The smaller lady is pushing on root development heavily. Looking healthy and just carrying on at a decent pace. Smooth sailing at the moment.

Looking good. Nothing new.

Ok almost there.

So this is something I have been wondering about for a while, at which point does a grow stop being classified as "organic"? I think we can all agree that if growing in some living organic soil and watering with organic nutes, you are growing organically - right? Now a lot of people use chemicals as part of their grow in various ways, at which point is it no longer classified as being organic? When you start using PH up / PH down in your nute mixes? When you start using CalMag? Perhaps when you use a bloom booster which is not organic - majority are not from what I have noticed. What about if you use coco / perlite instead of soil? What if you are growing in organic, living soil but feed with synthetic / powder nutes? Perhaps you use a product like florakleen to help flush? Perhaps you use a combination of organic nutes and synthetic / powder nutes? Share your opinion at where you would draw the line.

Hahaha, geez ok. This thread has taken more of a turn than I expected. Bringing lights into the equation. The way I see it is that I would classify lighting more as "natural" or "unnatural" as opposed to organic or inorganic. @Ill_Evan I agree that organic would refer to more the nutrients and such, thinking about it now most mediums are natural (soil, coco, water) although maybe not organic per say. Such as the coco could have been grown using synthetic nutes. @Dank which brands? Curious to find out about this. In my mind I feel organic vs "non-organic" (not inorganic), is more about the nutrients which one gives their plants. However as mentioned originally, often there will be synthetic nutes used at some point in the grow, even if its just for supplementation. People stating organic bud is tastier, well, at what point does it get affected? When changing nutes? What if you go half / half with BioBizz and Greenhouse Powder Feeds for example? Correct me if I am wrong, but reading on this forum and watching YouTube grow videos of people overseas. There seems to be a "hype" of sorts about "organic" cannabis. People using soil specifically and then top feeding with amendments which are slow release or using BioBizz nutes or trying to male super soils so you do not need to add anything else. Then you ask yourself, what is the actual benefit? Why is it done like this and the answer I have always found is that organic bud "tastes better". Although at the same time I was thinking about these Grow off competitions - I love them, think its a great idea and I have enjoyed participating in it. The one category is for the best organic grow. How far could one push it before your grow is no longer classified as organic? I feel for a grow to be fully organic, it's not going to be easy to achieve. Not indoors at least. Perhaps more so outdoors.

SynthGanics bro! This probably the best argument i think. Everything is hype and marketing nowadays inmo. Finish em off good and cure em well, synthganics my bros. I would also add, most "famous" nutrients seem to give a certain aroma/taste to the weed (even flushed well), I believe they add flavour enhancers to a lot of these products.

As long as it's not ice-nine, you should be ok.

What is structured water?

Hi All. An update today. We've had cooler weather this week and even though @Bospatrollie2 had said that they might take more than 2 or 3 days when it ain't hot, I was starting to get a little concerned last evening as there didn't seem to be anything happening. I just went out to the garage with a rollie and a cup of coffee and.....we have a sprout ! Woohoo ! There's another showing a bit of white on the one end, so I think we should have another sprout today. Sorry about the kak pic. I carefully placed my phone in a puddle of diesel earlier this year and sort of melted my camera lens. So I only have the "selfie" lens to work with until I get my new phone in the next few weeks. (Boss man tells me it will be one of those new-fangled eyefone things, so it should take semi-decent photos.) BTW. I forgot to mention that I intend using structured water to irrigate my plants. I'll be interested to see if there's any obvious benefit, bearing in mind that I know nought.

Why not just add a passive air intake? Like an air filter, my tent came with one and now that it is summer it makes a HUGE difference! Temps are more consistent and cooler, humidity is better controlled and the negative pressure is still there but not as bad.

Both plants looking much better tonight. Temp and humidity stabilising at 32C and 18% respectively. 400W MH bulb is sitting at about 20 inches away from the plants. They seem pretty happy so I'm just going to leave things as they are as long as they keep looking good. I have a feeling I am able to get away with the lower humidity because of the DWC setup. The plants have such direct access to water and nutrients that I think they can manage without optimal humidity levels. Wouldn't mind some rain in general though, it's fokoff dry in my area. The humidity will rise as the plants get bigger anyways, so I'm not too phased that it will have any negative impact.

Well I'm going to be giving synthetic nutes a go now to see how it compares. Although I've got my living organic soil which I'm still using for now. I'm not worried about being 100% organic right now. I'm more curious as to how much wiggle room everyone feels is acceptable before a grow should no longer be classified as organic? Sent from my Redmi Note 7 Pro using Tapatalk

Geez that's a topic that got me thinking. I used to make use of chemical fertilizer when I started growing. Mainly due to the misguided info that was out there. And to go organic you had to have space to make compost and tea and it will not work if you live in a block of flats etc etc. So as I grew I started googling and asking questions to point where I pissed people off but at the end of the day, it comes down to what works for you and gets you you desired results....... I use organic nutrients and my soil is from FF. I belive that as long as you feed you soil with things that is plants based your fine and on the organic route.....but what if those vegetable extract for the bio bloom is made from half non-organic fruits and veggies, then it becomes quite technical. I guess there will be a lot of different answers but you need to do your homework and stay alert when buying products. There are some products out there that states they are environmentally friendly but still end up being chemicals...... Phyta from bio grow is like that if I'm not mistaken. I bought it back in 2014 as a organic supplement but the liquid inside was bright blue... There used to be a sticker on the bottom that said "organic" but a few months after that those stickers were removed / covered up. Stuff worked like a bomb but didn't use it for to long due to finding out its chemical.. Sent from my FIG-LX1 using Tapatalk

She is finishing nicely. Sent from my VTR-L09 using Tapatalk

Ok, so just the Girl Scouts, transplanted last week. They look a bit pale, but no nutes for now. The medium contains well aged compost and worm castings. This from last night, they've been joined by my outdoor chocolope.

Tsk, that is the joke. Capitalist Fascism right at work in the communist party. "Feed the hungry cake" they said.... Its time the people stand up and crash this crazy law making one sided future. They are never going to stop the Artisanal producer ever - better to regulate to all flavours from the start. But we always have to first 'I told you so' ...

Chemdawg x Candyland: I bubbled out 10L of water for 24 hours and then added 100ml of coconut water. The pic is just to show how she looks now and the next pic will be on Sunday. The pistils is less and she is getting ready for that nice stretch. I was thinking of pulling her down some more but decided to leave her as is and rather just super crop a few tops. Also added a close up pic of one the the tops Mendicino Skunk: Still regretting my decision to top her I did the next best thing to get as much out of her as possible. Grabbed some twine and pulled her down. I gave her a small dose of the Coconut water just to see...... And lastly just a pic of my latest addition. And with a new baby Smelly