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Hi, have you grown hydro before? Do you have a pH and EC pen? What fertilizer range will you use? For me coco is coco I used to mix my own Coco/perlite. I think this fancy packaging is just a way to inflate the price. My opinion. Good Luck

Always love free shit, whether it be seeds, papers or even stickers

I bought just before lockdown, didnt get any seeds free though they blessed me with 2 packs of skins with card filters, packed really nicely but had to wait for the lockdown before I got them at level 4. Grown their GSC, 3 times now and their stuff has always been my favorite of the serval grown.

If you are on YouTube, and on Migro, then go check his top light for 2019 video, he rates all lights out of efficiency, then make up your mind from that, which will most probably be a QB or COB layout, at a push if you got energy to waste, you'll get a HPS. again my own opinion

#3 Autumn colors - what a magical plant.

Early morning sun after a week of miserable weather.

Greetings everyone, I have been a voyeur of this site for a while. I started growing indoors last year and slowly learning along the way. I like trying things people say you can'y or shouldn't do; so for my FIRST ever attempt at cloning I took a branch from my Auto amnesia haze from Fastbuds that was not receiving light. All i used was saliva as my cloning gel( I read somewhere that the enzymes of saliva softens the stem) Its been almost 3 weeks and she is doing well and better than I expected.

Looks good man, my next grow I will go with a soil mix, I just always have issues with bugs when using soil, I made a "super soil" for my girlfriend to grow veggies in a raised bed and she harvested tomatoes,chilies, lettuce, baby carrots and parsley and all she did was water.

Yeah not many use them but got some decent reviews from Yeah not many are using them but got some decent reviews from some people on Facebook. I have 2 lights and they 90w each. I would of love to get a QB from Growopz or Leon LED but I was impatient as nobody had stock. I just finished a white widow auto from bulk seedbank under the Blurple(picture taken outside) I currently have the auto amnesia growing. Was about to pop Stardawg and Zkitlle Zi Zi but then ordered clones.

Modugrow? I don't think there are many on the site who use them... I belethey are Samsung diodes so that's tit How many what's you running and what strains? Hit us with some pics yo!

If we're talking about growing cheaply in terms of actual cost to run a grow. I think hydro may be the cheapest. Water is practically free, nutes you barely use any only on a res change or the occasional tip up if the EC is dropping a bit too low. Equipment is typically a once off cost or will last you a good while at least, multiple grows. I feel coco is cheaper than soil due to the price of soil and the fact I can buy 5kg coco bricks and 100L of perlite for next to nothing. I personally wouldn't run a soil grow without providing nutes, I know some do and have seen a few grows on the forum as such although it's just not for me. Nutes for coco and soil are the same, you can get cheap ones and expensive ones. Same goes for hydro. Organic nutes such as Biobizz aren't all that cheap, but not terribly expensive either. You get expensive mineral nutes too. Equipment aside, I feel soil is actually the most expensive growing method and I also feel that'd why there has been so much marketing and buzz behind it. I started with soil and have since moved away from it. No regret from my side. It has its place for sure, although don't be fooled into thinking its cheap. Also when I was not correcting my pH with my organic grows, that is the only time I had nute lockout issues and that was corrected once I started correcting my pH levels. Often soil has amendments to help buffer the pH level but it does not mean you should not still check your feed and pH it. Depending on what nutes you're using with your soil, you'll still need an EC pen. Sent from my Redmi Note 7 Pro using Tapatalk

Jungle fever

Free is free... Maybe take one of each and see how they go... Like @PsyCLownmentioned... You need to be concerned about how the seedlings will handle the craft coco.. I would get some jiffies for germination just in case

I agree with @SkunkPharm coco is coco, keep it simple and if you wanna go coco use plain coco or perhaps a coco / perlite mixture. If you are getting the coco for free, then take whichever gets you more medium end of the day. Do NOT skimp on a PH pen, for an EC meter you can go cheap as it does not matter as much. If I had to chose between the two, the bi gro seems to not have any perlite in it? So you could add some perlite to stretch the medium a bit more. Not sure how I feel about putting a seedling into coco with an EC of around 1.7 though... The High Porosity seems to have more amendments in it... for Coco, I want to keep it plain and simple as this allows me to have more control over the grow and what the plants get.

how about simple organic soil? Is the most simple grow medium as the soil buffers.

Made an order with them

I could send you a parts list bro, if you can source the parts and get someone to drill all the holes, bam, you got yourself a press at half the price. Sent from my POCOPHONE F1 using Tapatalk

this kinda helped a lot

Did my fair share on 2 and 4 wheels. Ran a RM 125, them upgraded to a super jetted KX 125, followed by a KX 250. Moonlighted on the enduro circuit, but life caught up and had to prioritize. Didn't enjoy breaking my bikes as a privateer. More emergency room visits than I want to remember, but it was a blast. Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk

Mhhh Autos and cloning are not really something to do ^^ you can't stop their timer.. she will follow her program and will stay rather small. Clones you take from photo plants as you can make them change yourself, autos you have zero control over. Nice done.. but wrong type of plant.. don't expect much.

I used the 144 a few times before.. I thought the lamp consumes a lot more power as it actually does.. that gave me the idea. Knowing what i got before, batch of Blue Cheese and White Widows gave around 50g a plant. If I reach the usual number.. 8 x 50.. I will not complain but I had those running on 20/4... so lets see where it will go. I kinda like the 24/0 in winter.. no cold issues what so ever.

Looking tasty, how's her smell?

I've used them... Pretty nice - but limited - selection and fast shipping They've been around for a while Sent from my POCOPHONE F1 using Tapatalk

Hey All, I'm new to the forum and wanted to introduce myself and hopefully share my experience with you all, and would like to go on your adventures with you too. This is my second proper go at this, learning every day and always open to advise or critique. Nice to meet everyone and be here, Have a dank day y'all

As of yet, I've only flowered with half the light and just added the second last week or so. Have got around 80 - 120 a plant with the one light in a cupboard of 1.5x0.6m in size and 8 plants in there...lol. was my first proper grow after 1 sort of half arse grow before with no ph checking and got locked out, learnt lots since then. Thank you for the kind words again.

Look, end of the day the only person who has commented in this thread who may have something to gain would be Master G and that'd if you were to purchase one of his lights. His lights are simply quantum boards with lm301b diodes and there are other local suppliers you can purchase such quantum boards from. However in terms of pricing his are the cheapest I have seen locally. You can also get led strips with good quality diodes if you'd like. Don't feel pressurised to buy from Master G specifically or to get quantum boards. What you should want to do is get lights with good quality diodes and I feel everyone in this thread who has recommended LED lights is basically saying the same thing. Led strips can be purchased from websites such as Arrow and Digikey. They offer prices in ZAR but the items are not stocked locally so custom charges are applicable. You'll then also need to get heatsinks to mount them onto (I have some for sale, alternatively you could get from Builders or similar). Also keep in mind you'll still need a power supply (LED driver) to power the lights. So add up the costs of the led strips and the other components required to put it together. Then go and look at the cost of other quantum boards available locally and check with Master G on the pricing of his quantum boards and see what may be the best for you. Alternatively if your budget does not allow for such lights at the moment, then you'll need to compromise and get something which you are able to afford and later on you can consider getting better lights. You'll still be able to grow cannabis with that blurple light from Snatcher and other similar lights from futurama and takealot etc. You'll get bud and it will be decent and get you high. Although it won't be as efficient as better quality lights and the bud quality may be slightly lower but depending on what you're used to smoking it could be on the same level or even higher quality bud than what you're used to. If you already smoke good indoor, it could be on the same level or slightly lower. If you're used to outdoor, it could be higher quality. Hard to say. I hope this clears things up, don't feel pressure to buy what we suggest from who we suggest. We're just trying to help guide you to ensure you get great value for money as most of us have done the research already and looked at the various options. End of the day, the equipment you purchase and how your grow does honestly makes no difference to me (don't mean that in a bad or nasty way). :D Sent from my Redmi Note 7 Pro using Tapatalk

Lol I really appreciate all your answer and and advice ...Sorry for all the stupid questions but I dont believe in just buying something just because someone said its better, I like to understand what I am getting and why im getting it over another product(for example went to futurama and got suggested the CFL light which turns out is not a good option thanks to the info you guys gave me) I completely understand you guys are really good growers and you have perfected your craft but Im new and know nothing more than what a bunch of internet pages tells and the guy at a store just trying to sell me something that's why I joined the forum

This post should be pinned for all newcomers

Hi everyone. The lockdown got me growing my own bud. my entry #1 is my DIY Lockdown Growbox (this is motivation for why i need that Dark Propagator 60 lol)

Gorilla glue fem fading out nicely Colours are insane

SAGrower is a living legend. I am so grateful for his help. Sent from my SM-N950F using Tapatalk

Roughly a week since the flip. The stretch continues and another big defoliation done. I do not expect to have to do another big defoliation from now, probably just manage big fan leaves. Before Defoliation After Defoliation

I decided on doing the flip today Did another defoliation in preparation and there is good light penetration throughout the plants. I took a brix reading again, ladies are still sitting at around a brix level of 5. So far in veg I've only recorded a measurement of 5 throughout. I am expecting it to rise as the preflower stage begins. Before Defoliation After Defoliation

Got some more pics for you @PsyCLown. Leaving the switch to after the weekend. Also bumped the EC up to 1.1 and running the LED at just below 200W. It was suggested to me to run at 160W during grow and flower but I want to see what the extra oomph will do. Honestly just kinda playing around.

I am busy trying to decide when to make the flip. I can make the flip anytime from now and I'd be happy with the yield. Both plants are fully mature, however I foresee a potential problem and that is the heights of the to plants. The Royal Gorilla is much more short and stout than the GDP. My thinking is to maybe flip tomorrow to limit the amount of stretch the GDP will have over the Royal Gorilla. They will never be at level canopy height, so inevitably the GDP will get more light than the Royal Gorilla at the end. This may have convinced me to keep the same strain in small tents like this if one is going to do more than one plant. Going to think on it for the day then make the call tomorrow.

Took an opportunity to take a pic of the manifold of each plant so far. I am very happy with the initial structure. They will be expected to hold up 8 mighty colas each RQS GDP

Worked a bit on the reservoirs today. Keeping the GDP at it's current happy level of 0.4 EC and now that the Royal Gorilla has recovered I am going to raise the EC to match the GDP at 0.4 EC. Also took some big fan leaves off both plants which were blocking some growth nodes. Pictures below also give an idea of what it looks like when I need access to the reservoir water.

Pre-Training Got a good response from the Royal Gorilla and sufficient growth from both plants to do the toppings today and some defoliation. Post-Training Had to swap out the twisty ties on the Royal Gorilla with some sturdier coated wire to hold down the low stress training. The Royal Gorilla is developing some really thick beefy stems and growth points, shorter and thicker than the GDP, both training very well right. From here it's a matter of maintaining the spread and training of the plants as they get sturdier and bigger, occasional defoliation and keeping them happy. It's up from here! Royal Gorilla: GDP:

I am not liking what's going on with the Royal Gorilla. She isn't handling the rise in EC as well as the GDP. I believe she is suffering from an early onset of nitrogen toxicity which has developed into a minor case. I did a reservoir flush on both plants by first adding GHE FloraKleen to the reservoirs for 24hrs and then flushing and reseting them with new nutes and RO water. I have also dropped the EC on the Royal Gorilla. Sitting at an EC of 0,2 just until I feel it is ready again to rise the EC. GDP is sitting at an EC of 0.6 and is loving it. Plants should have enough growth by tomorrow or Sunday for the next topping and defoliation. Should also see a response from the Royal Gorilla in that time but I do not expect the current growth to recover. I will be mostly looking at the colour and speed of the new growth and then adapt from there. Once the old growth is defoliated at the time of topping the response should be a bit more clear.

I decided to cut the first large fan leaves off tonight. They just looked so jutt. I believe I definitely pushed the EC on the seedlings a bit too high at first. The Royal Gorilla hasn't quite recovered as well as the GDP. I am getting slightly more stretch on the GDP, and some thick beefy joints on the Royal Gorilla. The manifold foundations are building up nicely, looking forward to the potential weight they will hold These leaves looked monstrous to me on such short plants. Otherwise, still on track to top at the end of the week.

Pre-Training Got some beefy stems beginning to form. Minimal stunting from the topping and defoliation. Enough healthy growth to begin training the plants to grow flat and start the formation of the foundation for the manifold. Placed some screw-hooks wide of the plants to get a wide angle of attack for the training as the plants are still growing somewhat vertically and the training needs to be gentle and slow, adjusted daily until the next topping. Post-Training Expecting to do the next toppings within the next week

I plan to top in-between nodes 3 and 4. I want to grow out the 3rd node on each plant as the main stems, and then do further toppings to get a total of 8 main stems for each plant. I will also attempt to get this 8-way manifold to be as initially flat as possible for support of the final buds and spread for yield. Tonight I decided to take off some of the bottom growth so the plants focus on growing everything above for now. I will top when the 3rd growth nodes have a bit more established growth to work with. ..I also didn't like how droopy the one looked so it was an aesthetic decision as well

There should be a Pratley store in every major city. Sent from my VTR-L09 using Tapatalk

Fire in, fire out

Looks like it was pressed too hot...

Please let us know what you decide regarding the rosin press. I'd love to get one, but they are a bit pricey...

I've had nothing but good service from them. I avoid growguru like the plague though.

Yes they do its in the South, I've dealt with Hydro herb and Zane before, he is the biggest shill out there. I avoid him like the plague.

You're right about the average. I can believe 1000 PPFD at 45cm. (But 1000 PPFD at 1m is unlikely, regardless how accurate the PAR meter is.)