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@afternoon blazer yo man. Happy to give an update. I ran the full flux mainline on 2 ladies but due to insane growth of one lady I had to flip to flower earlier than I thought. Today is the end of week 3 since the flip to flower. I will also be able to tie down a bit better for a more broader and even canopy spread next time round. This is my 1st indoor grow so I learnt a lot through the process. The ladies grow so vigorously that they will yank stakes from the ground in order to grow vertical again, so a proper tie down without damaging the stem is crucial for the nice horizontal mainline. I will also try the Nugbuckets mainline for the next run as I now have better lighting. Peyote WiFi Washing machine Chemdog millionaire Gorilla Kim

What up 420 Fam. So what is your FAVOURITE 3 STRAINS of all time. Taking all things into consideration. Ps. Please move this topic if required. Wasnt sure where to put it.

I was fighting with No3.. Wedding Cake or Pini.. I went with the Pini because I smoked it for years. I have some Blueberry Kush ready in 2-3 weeks.. curious after you placed em in your top 3.. got em as freebees

1 Gelato 2 GSC 3 Pineapple Express And all from 42fastbuds.. easy shopping

Gsc Blue Dream Ghost train haze No specific order, and haven't really had lots of time to try or grow most of the strains available and going to be going into it properly now. Going to definitely try my local boys, @1000Hills Nursery and @Totemic without a second thought at all. Just time and money at the moment

I cant go "all time favorites", just too many to mention My top 3 for 2020 Wedding Cake (picture, my cut) Strawberry Sherb (a KushCookies pheno) Blueberry Kush

Nice one @afternoon blazer! I love Amnesia and lately my Inzane in the membrane (got the idea one of the parents must be an Amnesia). For the evening my favourite is Purple Afghan Kush. I hope to find new favourites this season .

Hey all, So I was going to wait till my stuff arrived, but I figured I may as well show my grow tent build and then I can update about the first grow later on. I have a bunch of stuff that should hopefully be delivered within the next week so I can start my new grow (Pots, PH meter, soil, seeds, extractor etc). I bought 2 fem seeds earlier in the year and tried with that and some bag seed. But it was just too late to be starting in the season AND I was plagued with issues. But I have learnt a lot and have read even more and I hope that will pave the way to a great grow now. I am also moving indoor hence the thread My next seed order contains some auto's and some photo's. I am going to be starting with 2 critical autos from different seed banks. I want to run a few autos to try out some stuff and see the results. Anyways...to the tent! As I was trying to get this grow up and going with the "least" cost but still a good build, I decided not to buy a tent, and rather allocate that money to lights etc. This is the dedicated grow area. 80cm x 90cm x 200cm (but I could go higher). Its in a garage, so hanging the light should be easy. I decided to use 20mm conduit as I really only needed enough strength to hang the material around the tent. The light I am hanging from the roof. Even if I did want to hang the light in the tent, I think with a bit more roof structure it would manage the +- 3kg LED easily. Here I started on the first flat frame (for the front or back) and am checking the width fits in. Lots of 90 corners and t pieces Frame upright now (back) First support beam in. Sadly I didn't realize that the 90 corner and the T piece don't extend the same length. So when I cut the same width for top middle and bottom, the middle pulled in a little more. Its fine for now, will maybe replace eventually or just upgrade to a proper tent. So here you can see it pulling in, in the middle. Front frame and back Structure now joined front and back. I ended up adding another support which made it nice and rigid. I was resourceful and used "space" blankets AKA rescue blankets. 3 of them got me about 90% covered around. Completely covered. Little gap in front where I will be checking in. Top view down I then rolled out black painting sheeting, the stuff you get at builders to cover the floor when painting. Basically big trash bags. I covered all sides and then did an inset to the bottom as well as a roof that flaps over everything. Finished product, you can see my spot on top where I will connect the light. I ended up using only one of those and hanging an old small chain I had from it as the light has a cradle and single point to hang from. The chain is awesome, because with the carabiner, I can adjust the height quite easily. This doesn't cover the light getting in 100% but probably in the 90% region. As it is in a garage, I do not need to worry too much about light getting in. Currently I am also on a 12/12 flower cycle with it being on 6AM - 6PM. So even if there was outside light, it wouldn't;'t be much. I am considering reversing this on the next grow to get the light on at night and warm the tent ever so slightly for being an LED. But for now, this is where it is at. Tent finished and testing the 3 light modes (veg, veg+bloom, bloom). I hung the light from the open roof rafters in the garage so that worked out nicely. Outdoor plant finishing off flower in there. Sadly this was one of the learning curve plants. Week 5 flower and almost nothing on there. But this one was bag seed and as mentioned, the one to learn on. I am running a fan on #1 inside to get some light air circulation. I have a 150mm exhaust fan on order with ducting. So for now I am planning to pull air out the top of the tent, and passively let fresh air pull in from the bottom. As it is in the garage, I am not sure how fresh this air will be. Eventually I will have a second fan to push fresh air in. For now, if I have enough ducting, I may connect the ducting to the outside, so hopefully it pulls fresh air passively, else I will just let it pull air passively without the duct, from the garage "air". My garage is clean and not an oil filled smelling one, so no real worries there. I also worked out the air exchange for my cubic metres and I should have no issues there. I have also got a small 9w heating pad that I am using the keep the plant a bit warmer at night. Day temps at the moment are around 25 C. At night this is dropping to sub 15 C with winter approaching. The heating pad keeps the underside by the tray around 38C (I have one temp probe there) and the roots are around 20-22C from what I can tell (another temp 60% into the medium/soil). So as far as I understand it, as long as the roots are warm, the rest should be also. By the time summer comes, my air exchange will need to be good as the garage gets hot. But we will see. Also worried that at this point the 150mm fan will be too much and cause too much cooling. But I am not planning on running air exchange at night. Not sure if that is good, or if I should have air exchange when the light is not on? If I do need it, then I will set it up with a timer to run like 15min every hour or something. Oh and the most important bit, building this tent came in at under R450. Hence me wanting to do this, because as a first indoor grow, this should do compared to a 1500-2500 tent. Next steps >>>> Once all my stuff arrives, 2 x 40l pots are going in with the 2 different Critical Auto's. I will toss the current plant out then and give the tent a good bleach down clean. I have some powdery mildew on this plant, so want to avoid that hanging around.

I'm looking for testers willing to do grow diaries on 420sa. I can send 5 people free seeds as long as they pay for shipping. Postnet is preferable. The mother plant is a purple glam kush auto from bulk seed bank crossed with a purple KC'S Strawberry male. This pretty strain flowered outside in winter in the unloved section. But just look at what a cool phenotype she had, almost black. She gave 179 good seeds.

Nice progress... Just wanted to add, that ufo light can be much, much closer to your trees in flower. I had my ufo literally less that 20cm above the tops in my microgrow and never burnt anything. So try to find a sweet spot with height and coverage. Sent from my POCOPHONE F1 using Tapatalk

@DankWhat a beauty! I'll grow simple wedding cake this season and hope it turns out similar.

@Dank How's a little real estate there... Just enough for 1 plant ... And plus inter provincial travel now permitted so I can come once a week for IPM and pruning etc. You just need to water her for me every now and then...

I have no drains but I make sure no rain can get in and that it is moist in there but not soggy. Also thought about just making a pile but I am worried that all this rain is going to wash out the nutrients over time so I decided to go with the containers for now. I mix it through every 1-2 weeks to give it some ventilation though. So far no fungi .

Weekly update pics. Switching to 12/12 tomorrow morning.

This is how I tie my branches down. Are you using plastic pots? Kinda looks like terra cotta?

Greetings 420 Fam. I've decided to put this thread together for the newbies to the indoor growing scene and anyone else that it may help. Anyway, it's for everyone to have a look at and hopefully it will give them a little bit of guidance when it comes to choosing the method of training that they want to use on their cannabis tree. Honestly, I wish someone broke it down for me when I started as it would've saved me a few months of experimenting by myself and accidentally coming across new methods somewhere random to try out. Anyway, here goes; Okay, so there's a lot to consider when you're aiming to increase your yield while not outgrowing the space you have available... Let's start with the simple stuff. My suggestion would be to research a bit on what you read here first before committing fully. Here's what you need to consider; - Acquiring good genetics (high yielding plant). Your bagseed flowers may look awesome, but most of the time it's genetics are a big twisted mess and stable genetics will yield you more bud per/m2. - Setting up a hydroponic system will get you a faster growth rate, but not necessarily a higher yield (although the time taken to get it would be shorter by a week or 2). - If you're using soil, you need a well mixed grow medium with enough drainage to ensure proper oxygen concentration in the root zone. - Use a good nutrient line if you aren't using living soil (it doesn't have to be expensive, it just has to work well). - Make sure your space isn't too big for your light (you may end up with airy, smaller buds or just a really slow growth rate if you ignore your limits here). - Ensure your plants get enough direct airflow to develop healthy, strong stems and so they receive ample fresh air. If you've considered of all of that, then you don't have much else to decide. LST works well, but it takes a lot of patience and when using it even with FIMing, but it isn't the most effective. This is because you still have to, in a way, let the plant grow normally and constantly train it to fit your space FIMing your tree will just give you more branches to train. The next 2 methods I'm going to mention are ways of making the plant grow into your space and it sort of has a predefined shape, which requires minimal training and even less once you decide to flower. Mainlining a tree requires less patience, and a bit of confidence when using this method because you will have to use some heavy HST with LST. I've used a slight variation of this on my last grow. I came out with about 204g of top shelf bud off a single tree (in a 70cm x 70cm tent). "Quadlining" has been coming up more recently and I've done this on a Microgrow I had running a while ago. You don't remove as much plant material as the previous method but the results are pretty similar. It requires slightly less time than Mainlining but also works well on maximizing yield... I was able to get 40g from 1sq ft off a single, small tree. Both these methods were effective at creating an even canopy with minimal LST and without the need of a net/trellis, but they do involve HST which means you will have recovery periods that add to your total length of the grow. I haven't tried any other methods, but from my understanding; ScrOG is one of the most effective at getting a maximum yield as this is a more controlled way of creating an even canopy and involves using a rigid screen through which you weave the tree as it grows. This makes maximum use of your space as you can decide what size grid to use and when you think its packed enough to flower. This method comes at the cost of a long veg time and regular maintenance, due to having to check which tops are growing pass the others and getting others in optimal positions. I'm not sure what other yield boosting techniques are commonly used but IMO; I think you're better off running your trees with the mainlining technique. Do some searching on Google to see how each of the methods work and see which one you'd feel comfortable doing. Everyone has their own preference I know this isn't a complete, thorough guide or like a how-to, but I hope it helps some of you. Feel free to also share the link with anyone that has a yield boosting question that can be answered by this post. If you're gonna add information to this thread, all I ask is that you please be sure of the methods you're posting. I've tried different methods and I've compiled this from my own experience. Peace [emoji1308] Happy Growing Sent from my POCOPHONE F1 using Tapatalk

Hi everyone, I mixed my soil a while ago and wonder if I should do a PH test to see whether I am in the right range. Somewhere I read it's not really important to do so with living soil / super soil as the microlive helps to regulate the PH. I do not own anything that I could use to do a test and the tools that would give an accurate reading are a bit expensive. So far I grew in FF soil and didn't have to bother with PH. I just don’t want to germinate my seeds just to figure out there’s a problem with the PH of my soil mix. What is your opinion on this? Am I overthinking it? Thanks for your input!

Must say.. all time favourite strains, might change soon, but for ever it's been.. 1. Pot of Gold -Flying Dutcman 2. Amnesia Haze -Sensi Seeds 3. Bubbelicious -Unknown One more... Black Domina And way up there Original Durban Poison Swazi and Malawi Gold (RooiBaard) Best Taste / Smell: 1. Bubbelicious 2. Pot of Gold 3. Black Domina 4. Amnesia 5. Original Skunk Best Feel / Relaxed but not couch locked. Black Domina Pot Of Gold Cheese Best Feel / Getting bussy and Creative Bubbelicious Ex Cheese Swazi Hoping Totemics Fems will become my new favs..

Coolj pm me your postnet details, ill send them later this week.

@TheUltimateNoob very true man. So for the next round I will also more actively adjust the stakes and soft training wire like you mentioned. I will also make more use of the training loops in my fabric pots. I also noticed on another thread that you use a skewer scaffolding manoeuvre to flatten the canopy. That might help to ensure more tie down points and less probability for the stakes being pulled out?

Welcome to the fam @Bay Seeds gonna drop u a invite to the breeders group.

These are regular autos, you might get males. But yeah, your included.

Hi there @Bay Seeds, you all well I hope. I would love to be involved with a little project with what would be 5 different grow styles, setup's and lights. I can imagine that's what a grow off will be like. Not sure if I would qualify though as it's only my first indoor grow I'll be done with in 2 weeks. I have a veg cabinet 700 x 500 x 900mm with a total of of 205w of cfl's. My flower cabinet is 900 x 900 x 1500mm using a QB75 bar from@growopz. I'll be adding 2 x 15w strips of can't remember now but it was the latest diode technology not far off Bridgelux. My grow height will be limited to 1000mm to allow for light adjustment. I use soil specially made for cuttings, seedling and grow, I do not use nutes as I can't afford them so I try and find natural ways of treating my plants and generally around our nursery. Borehole water 6.5 - 6.7pH. I will also be doing an outdoor grow under the elements and one in a shade house. Will you be donating ( gotta watch our words with new laws ) feminized or are they autos? What will the criteria be? I've been growing bag seed up to now, once again, can't afford decent seed. I was going to start a grow diary anyway and use the forum to steer me in the right direction in case someone spots me doing something wrong. I could have opted for a clone but I believe they not the best for training methods, I'm not saying they're not. Just what I read. Anyway, give it some thought. Sent from my DRA-LX5 using Tapatalk

You could even hang that UFO over the heater style fan, at a 15 to 20deg angle and use it close as side lighting and get under those fans leaves to get the bud sites below. Just a thought

Maybe just check with the guy here who have that fan, and if its silent or has a noise you can live with... I've got a TD silent, 100mm and it is hardly noticeable at all. But I need bigger soon.

@John Stonedwell howzit brother. Just catching up on this thread now. Would really love to see how your girls are coming along with the training. Please

Awe we can talk about it and hopefully watering and IPM will be minimal so we can spend our time chowing cake instead

Yeah. I think thats a good option ti force the plant into flower. If u start seeing anything like little balls or sacks starting to form. Then its probably male. Anything that looks like tiny white hairs. . . Then its female. If u got both. Then thats another story. But lets look for the first 2 indications before we get into that. @TheUltimateNoob @Ill_Evan @CreX @StickyD420 Any advise to stress the plant to determine sex for our brobeans here.

Just to ask a stupid question... you have drains in those containers? I prefer to let my soil mix rest on a open pile... mostly against one of the outside walls. Used a textile cloth or plastic sheet with holes to separate from the lawn... not that the patch of lawn survives good ventilation helps the microbes. I never let it rest in buckets... just a shady spot so it doesnt dry out. Wouldnt cover it with a black foil, sun has punch, that might be to hot and breed fungi... not soil

Nope not really bro. I left the door ajar yesterday and temps were 100%. Going to get some proper inline fans and give those a go.. This fan (100mm)

Howz your temp controler working out bro? Are the temps sitting better now?

Good to see you're back @Prom! Hope your gaul Stones are gone? I mixed it in the beginning of June, but will only use it on the 1st of October.

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Hi, if your grow space runs on the higher side with the temps do 18-6 or 19-7 for the nights will be cool for a few months. In summer I flower during the night because day temps to high and light on pushes it higher Sent from my F5321 using Tapatalk

I thought to put an 85 CFL on above her last night and it looks like she agrees

Aweh fellow growers. Thought I'd add onto this existing SST thread, but with a ''How do you do it'' request for the newer members if possible.(feel free to comment) This is my version of a veg SST 1. Germed 25ml Mung and 25ml Red Adzuki beans in a icecream tub on my media player(consistant 24deg C) between moist paper towel layers. 2. Blitzed them in the blender with some molasses untill smooth and frothy. (Think you could add Seagrow/Nitro solution here as well) 3. Diluted and mixed with 15lt rain water for application today. Previous applications went down well, plants seem to respond well. For flower I substitute the Mung beans with Maize/Mielies. What do you do?

Thank for the kind words man, old hobby of mine this Stay tuned, still just tinkering under the hood, got alotta work to do still before she is fine tuned fo summah!

Yeah, I found either if the seeds are fresh, very fresh, or very old, they tend to have that issue, almost like the shell is to new and taught or old and taught Just to much taught

So the ladies are into the new tent. Mammoth 2.4x2.4 thanks to @GGG. Struggling to get all the spacing sorted but will get there. Still trimming the.last ones. Final weights not what I wanted. The old fabric pots dry out way to fast. May need to do multiple waterings a day. But for now i have wrapped the fabric pots in cling film to prevent them from drying out to quickly. Lets see what happens.

Please don’t buy that Chinese cob thing. You would have thrown money in the water. I can supply you with something better for very little more.

Morning Bud. Have you checked out @Master_G and @growopz. I got super confused with all the options when researching lights. With guidance from the Peep's on the forum I ended up going the Growopz route and happy. Told the poor dude my grow space, what I had and my lousy budget and that I was considering diy. Soon got talked out of that. I now have a light that I can add onto as the budget allows. Good luck on your search. Sent from my DRA-LX5 using Tapatalk

Very smart move to do your research before jumping straight into it! With an 80x80 tent you need to factor in heat. With summer on its way and a good few warm months ahead, heat can be a real problem. In veg it can be dealt with but in flower it can cause all sorts of issues. Naturally, a flowering cannabis plant would gradually experience declining temps, not rising temps. The higher the wattage bulb the more heat gets released. In an 80x80 tent 400w is definitely the limit with HID and even that could be too hot at times but your options do sit between a 250w or 400w. Most grow stores dont stock 250w ballasts so a 400w ballast would be your best bet. Dont buy a ballast that pulls more wattage than the bulb, it needs to match. Unless you get a digital ballast which can be dimmed to match the bulbs wattage. A 600w ballast will end a 400w bulb's life very quickly You may be able to mitigate the heat issue with a LED light, there are plenty members here who are more knowledgeable on that subject. Although I'm not sure whether your current budget could accommodate an LED that could match up to a 400w HID so HID might just be your best bet at present with that budget

Hey bro. After reading your dairy on the flux mainline method I decided to go with that flow. The decreased veg time when compared to the Nugbuckets method is a definite benefit. 2 specific strains I am running are loving the topping and tie down high stress training. Peyote WiFi by Seedsman and Washing Machine by Ripper seeds. I did the second and final topping today but the two 2 new grow tips on either side still need some growth.... With your experience, how far do I still have to go in veg before flipping? Washing Machine Peyote WiFi As you can see I also went with the Perlite top layer for the soil run off and it works real well, thanx for the tip The clean up for the flux mainline also results in some real nice clone cuttings which turns out to be real benefit when you consider the price of decent genetics. Happy growing

@TheUltimateNoob Bro.... Sorry I was probably high and crossed 2 threads. My bad man. I will also be adding the perlite top layer to help avoid that soil runoff. And it looks epic like you said Thanx again for sharing the grow diary, it'll go far in guiding me. My washing machine is almost ready for the second top

@TheUltimateNoob duuuude Great grow diary man. I will be sure to use it as a guide when going through the grow cycle on my side. Your training was done exceptionally well. I think I saw you mention Seagro. I am an avid fan of Seagro as a base nutrient during veg. Did you use throughout the cycle? And another quick question. I did a test of our tap water and it averages a PH in the low 7 range. Seagro is an acidic solution so can one assume that by mixing it with the tap water the PH would come down to the 6 range? Reason for the question is the fact that I use the manual PH testing kit and I struggle to see the colour reactions. Especially when testing after adding Seagro due to its dark colour.

Great write up brother, it always handy having this in one spot and the most important stuff. Out of curiosity, do you not mean TOPPING, as FIMing is as I understand "Fuck I Missed" and you instead of removing all the main shoot, it grows back but deformed and then let's the lower branches catch up?

Hi bro. I think you have a great thread going here. There is a lot of subjectivity when it comes to training methods and an overload of info on the Web. The holy grail being.. max yield, max potency. I eventually decided to go for an 8 cola mainline method on my 1st indoor grow. This after trying out various other LST and HST methods outdoors. I am currently running some different strains in my grow tent and some are taking more fondly to the top and tie down than the others. The washing machine strain from Ripper seeds is an epic pheno with insane growth. She loves the HST and recovers like a beast. Problem I have is that the other 4 strains arent necessarily taking to the HST like a champ. I am stressing that I will lose the advantage of an even canopy. Would you suggest tweaking the topping count per plant as they take to the training and recovery? Or adapt the training completely to include other LST/HST variants? Or should I perservere and just systematically top and train when they are ready without stressing too much on the difference in growth before I flip to flower? These ladies are currently almost 5 weeks old. First top and tie down on 3 of the ladies were over the past 2 days. 2 ladies still to show sufficient growth tip to tie down. Awe. *The lady in the black pot was a late entrant in the tent. She will not be part of the 8 cola mainline exercise.

So....some updates I have been battling a bit with warmth, the 2 heating pads were not enough and I was getting worried as I was getting below 15C. My dark period is now 12PM to 6PM to help with that. I also added a heater, checked that it is not going to burn anything and it now runs for 10mins then off for 20min. And repeats that cycle all day. Raises the "day" time/light on temp to around 23-25C and night time/light off will then obviously drop a little, but not too much. I just need to get another switch, so I can make it turn off for the 6 hours of lights off as it is a bar heater so the light will obviously disrupt it. I had 2 x 25w bulbs, but they only raised the temp a bit. I also automated the exhaust which runs for 5mins every hour. I'll probably increase this come end of veg/flower, but for now the thing is super powerful, so running all the time will just drop the temps too much. I added the ducting for exhaust as well as passive intake with a piece of filter cloth in front. Having the temp and humidity sensor is nice, now I can monitor it remotely. So thanks to @Prom for the suggestion of automation. I went with the Sonoff switches for ease of use. I also hung the fan off the stand and on the frame now. That way the humidifier can go underneath. This 1. Saves space, and 2. when the fan drips water, its not on the fan buttons, but on the humidifier. So much safer. My 2 photos are slowly coming along, and I popped an additional auto. Hoping the auto will be done by the time the other 2 start taking up more space, but lets see. The heater is on a ratchet now too (as well as the light) so I will move those as the plants grow. See the pics

Here is what the inside looks like today. Bought a cheap bucket to invert and put the plant on (have a piece of wood there too). This will insulate it a bit from the cold concrete floor. Towel has the heating pad in it. And you can see the temp probes for under the tray as well as in the soil. And then a third one which just sits there for the general air temp. You can also se the chain here and how I hung the light + how easy it is to adjust.