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I have finally cleared the backlog and my veg tent is going to be empty from tomorrow. The slurricane mother has been my favorite plant this year, and keen to see her offspring.

Day 10. So two seeds of each planted. Only one of each germinated. If you look on the bright side it's a 50% hit rate. Ah well, you win some and you loose some. But in true DAMMIT DAVE style, loose one, plant another two. Indoor grow appearing soon on a small screen in your hand. The x Slurricane is reaching for the skies, almost double the height of the x Ghost Train. Plants have been getting yard time since they broke surface then under light so 24/0. Could it be the light or a stretchy plant. Suppose I'll find out with the indoor run. Hoping to move them to the shade house end of the weekend. 4 x 20l pots take up all my veg area. Sent from my DRA-LX5 using Tapatalk

Bruh imma be reverse image searching every strain I see now

We should first confirm it's PM. I'm not convinced yet. @CreX

@Bakstein420 Problem is they are ready to be cured as they are dry now. The others not far behind. Washing them and getting them wet again probably not such a good idea?

You could do a bud wash, that should stop any shit spreading inside the jars.

Morning Gents :D So everything going very well until this morning when I came across this in the drying tent. Firstly, it is PM right? 2ndly, any suggestions on what I should do now? The plants are whole (small plants), been cut and have been drying for 12 days now, snapping when I break the stems to tell me they are ready. The PM is only on the top of a couple stems that are hanging upside down drying. The others are fine for now. I think I caught it early as I never noticed anything yesterday. Drying temp has been between 21 & 24 (figuring ways of getting it colder) and RH has been between 50% & 62% (most of the time it's been at around 52%). We had 2 days last week that were very humid , like 87% ambiently), and it pushed my dry tent RH to about 64% for those 2 days. Probably where it came from. So guys, now what is the best tactic here? I'm very happy with the way my buds turned out and it would be a travesty if PM were to fuck this up right at the last minute! PS - the few that have this PM on their stem are ready to be cured. Is there any way I can stop it spreading to the others that are still hanging, and from spreading inside the curing jar to the buds? I do have a collapsable dry net, should I clip buds off the stems and transfer to that?

So to be blunt - yes you can definitely harvest - trim - and jar on the same day do you want to? no. the reasons are as follows. the bud has way too much moisture in it - if you jar right away, RH would hit 100 in a few min, yes... minutes, so you would need to leave the jar open anyways to wait for the rh to drop to an acceptable level, which will be in a good 3- 4 days minimum. if you neglect the rh even for a moment... mold and pm and budrot will set in like wildfire! so not ideal the buds may feel dense on harvest day, but even the densest buds get all soft and squishy the first few days of drying and water loss, so jarring them will likely end up squashing the buds in their moerin..

@Ill_Evan hectic! I never knew that. Will definitely be keeping those indicator cards out of the jars! Will rely on my mini hygros. Thanks!

Perhaps a better question, then, is: Since drying is always requirement, but is not necessary to be dried all the way, at which point do I know that the buds are ready to go from their minimum dried state into jars? I do read all your answers I promise, just learning here and want to be sure. I am grateful for your time. Thank you

Nice one Psyclown. I've read over a few times but to me, it was still unclear whether I can take the buds straight from harvest to jar, no drying at all. or only that it's fine now because they've been drying a while... Sorry, sometimes I need it to be spelled out as there is not much room for error in this, LOL, but thank you for clearing that up :) Also, good to know it cannot in any way, ever be nutes coming out the stems. Budwashing sounds like a good step to add as a preventative and after a little reading, it looks like it's a good practice anyway, will do in future. Thanks I still think the packs could problematic though. I left some weed in a jar over 2 days now with a 62% pack, and it's way too dry in there now, like under 50%. Ambient RH is higher than what's in the jar. The lids and rings are new, no leaks. I've tested now with 4 different mini-hygros. But the proof is in the pudding -the weed is too dry, not nice to work with. Also has become a little harsher..... IDK. I think I'll use the packs like a desiccant to bring RH down inside jars, then remove them once at 60% and monitor. If they get over 65% I'll put the packs back in again They are old packs also, about 3 years but don't know if they can expire. There aren't an exp dates on the packs.

Seems @CreX has already give you all the info but that is not nutes and appears to be some type of mold. The plants are not like a storage tank where they keep the nutes just like that, I have harvested plants without ever doing any flush and never had that happen. It is not nutes. It is also not PM... PM looks very different and usually starts on the leaves. Doing a budwash before drying can help as it may get rid of spores already on the plant as well as other shit too. You always need to and want to hang the plants up to dry and lose majority of their moisture before you put it into the jars. Best is to use a hygrometer to monitor the RH once in the jars and ensure the Integra / Boveda maintains the RH in the correct region, if it is too high then you can "burp" the jars by leaving them open for a while and then closing them again and then monitoring the RH - if its still too high then you continue this process until enough moisture has been released that the Integra / Boveda is able to maintain the correct RH. As for the Integra 62% being lower, it could be your hygrometer is not that accurate or perhaps the lid on your car does not seal properly.

its not PM, its mold 100%

LOL and stop tasting the shit man hahaha man thats actually funny hahaha oh and a budwash is a good practice if you feel that your harvest may be tainted by something. as for your concern about inside the jars, you must manage the RH. either manually with a hydrometer, or with bovidas or some kind of 2 way humidity product. pm and mold will grow in RH higher than 67% so get some 64% sachets and some 58% sachets.

It's worth mentioning I just tasted it with tip of my tongue, thinking that if it's salt, it should taste salty? It does not But not sure if ionic salts taste salty, though? Jury is still out LOL

The earliest auto flowering i had started around the 3 weeks. This is what she looked like below. And she didnt turn out too bad. And this was with my basic floodlight and sun. So i would think theres still some hope bro.

@Ill_Evan Okay thanks. Yes, very handy to know what I'm working with here first LOL @CreX any advice is very appreciated :) I'll hold off on doing anything that can't be taken back in the meantime. For now though, I think the ones that are dry are going to get trimmed into neat little buds and placed into a jar. I'll label it PM so I know to watch for it in that jar especially.

Right now the plan is: 1 - Identify and separate the few that have mold on their stems. These are ready to be cured already. I'll trim the buds nicely and throw them inside jars with Integra Boost packs (I have 55% and 62%). That should keep the humidity low, and starve the PM. Hopefully? Any thoughts here? 2 - The others (most) that are not showing any signs of PM, as far as I can see we have 2 options: Option A is to just cut all stems away, trim down into buds, and finish up the drying process with my DryNet. I was trying to avoid this because flipping buds so they don't go flat sounds time consuming. AND Option B is to make a strong solution of copper soap, then wipe down the stems with it. Try get the RH down in the tent as much as possible and hope it doesn't spike in nature, then hopefully finish the process. I'm just concerned as to how I'm going to stop the PM from spreading inside the jars among the buds.... Eish....

Il still recommend using microbes, Jamie's has CMC (cannabis Microbe consortium), it just help adding in once a week. When microbes are bountiful they sort out the pH also Sent from my F5321 using Tapatalk

All the pics are always above ground, so thought I would mix it up. If i blur my vision i can see a pugs face in the centre of the root mass

Pest control Sent from my DRA-LX5 using Tapatalk

I may be wrong but the way I understand it, when the plant is in flowering mode it focuses more on the buds than roots so I don't think you need to put in another pot, a few roots at the bottom is fine. As mentioned above rather water less more offen and check PH. Do you feed the soil microbes? Sent from my F5321 using Tapatalk

Looking at the pistils again and I've realized you are not actually that far into flower either, my apologies... However, potting up almost always comes with a decent amount of stress.

Think the light was to high. Have dropped a bit. Sent from my DRA-LX5 using Tapatalk

@ bayseeds You got hawks eyes my man, well done of that spot the difference - i always am suspicious of any images especially if multiple ones arent provided per strain - but yes doing an image reverse search on google will also bring up any other webpages that that specvific image has been used on too so theres a nice hint for how to due due diligence befopre purchasing but this highlights another issue on why we need regulation, onus shouldht be on the consumer to have to perform a background check & audit of everything little detail - this is why im so adamant on supporting local breeders, people with ethics and morals - its the only way we'll flush this type of underhanded behaviour from the market is by instilling confidence amongst us growers that buying locally is best - minimal duds, no bullshit, always top quailty that way people who dont provide top quality DEPENDABLE shit will simply cease to exist as they wontbe able to scam any more people into buying their shit because who knows what you actually getting enough is enough - we have to take this matter into our own hands *Drops mic*

Never knew this, this is good to know. Boveda have been easier to find anyways.

Pretty much, except Integra provides those little red dot indicators which is made from using cobalt chloride, which is a carcinogenic. So Integra can kindly fuck themselves. Boveda all the way.

Thanks so much for your detailed answer @PsyCLown :) Will def take all those things into consideration. I've known the Integra packs to work well in the past, not sure why it's doing this now, but it is still very much gel inside, feels new, no crystaline powder at all. Weird. Like all the other little things, I'll just keep monitoring and make adjustments as I go along. I actually have a CVault including a bigger Boveda pack it came with so will give them a bash soon. Just wanted to keep harvests separate in the beginning as I've been experimenting with early & late harvesting, plus now, some might get mold and I'd like to keep those separate anyway. Thanks again

@CreX ok great thanks. Well, even the wettest ones have been drying for more than 6 days, but @ around 52% - 64% (the 2 days of high humidity fell in that window). But there is still a very late one in it's 48 hours of darkness before chopping. What should I do with that one? (and any others that are clearly too wet for curing)? Just keep drying and monitoring/wiping mold?

the slooooow dry is only in place to allow the chlorophyll to break down and reduce the harsh smoke from that. so even though they may still be moist, they are ready to be trimmed and jarred. first few days you may beed to monitor the rh closely as they will make the rh climb high

if you have a hydrometer like it sounds like you do, then only burm if RH hits 65%, then burp it until its lower than your humidity pack. by burp, i just mean leave the jar open for a bit. then close it and rinse wash repeat until the jar doesnt increase in RH when its closed... if you dont have a hydrometer, then the rule i followed was burp daily for 30min for 1 week, then burp every 2nd day for 15 min for the 2nd week, and then you should be good to go.

LOL okay I'll stop now ;) haha Okay cool, this only became apparent today, so a budwash wouldn't have been the right treatment here because they were already dry, but maybe a budwash before drying would prevent it from happening in future? Then luckily I have Integra Boost packs (similar thing to Bovidas). They are 55% and 62%. Trouble I'm finding with the 62's are that they are going drier than that, according to my little hygrometer, like 57/58% but I suppose that's not a bad RH to have anyway. On burping, would you or anyone care to share a good baseline technique that I can finetune with time. Like how many burps per day, how long for week 1 , week 2 etc etc. There are 5 trillion different opinions online, hoping experience can give me a better answer. Thanks!

Screwit, I just went ahead and tasted a tiny little bit of Flora Bloom and Grow. They are salty, but subtle. Shit, IDK it could still be nutes on the stems... I'm wiping it off with copper soap solution and paper towel just in case it is mold of some kind (very careful not to get close to buds). Putting it back in the dry tent and getting RH low as possible... Best I can do for now I think

@Psylecta ya man, I thought it was logical haha... So it never tasted like anything, my tongue did have a sort of tingly sensation after where it touched. LOL I'm using the GHE FloraCoco range, not sure they'll taste like anything either... als not sure it's a good idea to put that on my tongue tho LOL... aren't synthetic ionic nutes toxic? No idea LOL (and yep, my plants are hanging and drying like in your picture)

its definately possible because now that you mention it whenever i spill my nutes on the counter it dries to the same crystal formation and has a shiny appearance just like this but ive never seen a zoomed in pic of it so im not sure - but very possible but that if that is the case then only explanation would be that you maybe didnt flush the plants or fed just before chopping my cam is a shitty 14mp but i'll snap a pic of the dried out residue on the counter to attempt to compare the two

Yeah @Psylecta, it does look like it's fungal.... but not 100% sure... Guys I wonder if it could be residual salts/nutrients/similar staying behind as the water leaves the plant? That would tie in with why only the older, drier ones are getting this.... There's still the chance of it being DE, but then the newer fresher ones don't seem to have it.... IDK...

If possible. Maybe give them a day or 2 in the sun.

Thanks man. She does grow slow until she hits around 4 weeks, then the flowering stretch kicks in.

They want R3000 for the tent...

Thanks for your feedback. Fortunately i am able to go view the tent and i will try close up the tent and view from inside to ensure there are no light leaks. It's slightly bigger than what i need at the moment but might be a good deal:)

I got some bottled nutrients from a friend that stopped growing, not too sure of the brand but I have some for veg and bloom, I'd like to get through the grow with just organic fertilizer if possible, I do have access to some compost and worm castings as well, but i figured if I start noticing anything out of the ordinary with the plants I would just ask here for advice. I'm not against using the bottled nutes if I need to.

Ye, thanks. The top soil is super dry but like 1cm below it still has some moisture. When should I be watering again? I figured I'd water about a cup each plant in the morning. I haven't tested the ph of the koi pond water. I got a test kit today so will check it tomorrow. I would assume it would have to be pretty neutral for fish to survive (maybe I'm very wrong here)?

Im using a bestva 600 led

Aweh fellow greenfingers, 1-2. This F1 Purple pineapple stacking very well. Terps are a funky and fruity, she is stacking well and hopefully she puts on weight in the right places. 3. Chocolope bagseed ''opslag'' girl decided to reveg out of the blue. Her colours are just on milky, think I'll harvest all but 2 reveg colas and then cut some clones. Like her spicy terps profile. 4. 2 more Purple pineapple girls that are going to donate some clones in the name of science.... 5-6. Next gen babies.... Bubblegum, White widow and Fruitpunch f4's. They are looking a bit worse for wear due to a spidermite problem, had to dose them hard with a soap/canola mix. But they are pulling through. 7-8. Swazi gold...ishhh bagseed girl doing well despite the mites. Mother nature hasn't been playing fair the last 2 months. Week long rainy spells, sky high RH mixed with 36 to 39deg days in between. Talk about hell and high water, got a oscillating fan for the greenhouse to help with ventilation etc. 9. At least the tomatoes are bearing fruit.....

Main bud after I pulled all the big leaves.

@greenkush bro. How do tease us so bad. . What a run this was suposed to be for us.

Bought them from Trophy Seeds

I do as little as possible. I do however spend time watering the plants every day. But mostly I just try to keep it simple. It starts with a good soil. This is my 3rd round of growing in the same soil this year. And spend money on good genetics. Buy clones from reputable people or try to find good seeds some where and grow regular seeds. You will see the difference. @Totemic just lauched some nice seeds at a good price check out his site or buy here on the forum.

@afternoon blazer Nice grow bru Hope you enjoy the "flowers of your labor...

As a community we should just boycott bullshitters and people that that want to make excessive amounts of profit and deliver sub par product.. We all work our asses of to afford the luxury of getting wat we want.. and then to be scammed... not nice.. Important is that your happy with what you ended up with.. If not... JUST DON'T USE THEM AGAIN IF THEY CAN'T CORRECT THE ISSUE... and make sure everybody else is made aware that they should be wary and alert....