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Here's a thought. A local version or similiar directory for exclusively SA genetics. Come now IT guys, here's something...

Its puts us(SA community) in a position to define criteria for listing. Minimum F gen. I release F1s, but general rule of thumb should really be F4 as a stable release. Must have lab test backing, phylos paperwork etc. Just examples but you get the idea The options are limitless really

Diaries are tough to keep. Life is happening, and quite often diaries derail if something goes wrong and guys loose motivation. Veg and early flower are for the most part the boring piece, as its foliage and training. I endeavour to keep updates 7 days apart. A weeks development at a time is a nice snapshot. I also take the same shots from the same angles every time to keep it consistent. But it's part of my routine for a long time now, and happens 'automatically'

Greetings brother, all good this side thank you! We have a nice section here on 420SA as the Grow Report section, that to me is key and serves as a quick reference to see what to expect for a future grow or breeder. That is where we can help the local breeders, grow their lines and give honest review. If breeders is favoured by the community that reputation will spread and demand will grow for the said breeder or breeders. Another point for me is the ability off the strain the take stress, I stress the shit out of my plants to make sure they are tough and if the smoke comes out good it has to be a good plant. If the plant survives the stress and still performs great I think the breeder is on to something good then. Environment is key for most but sometimes those perfect conditions can't be kept and that is where the plant should have the ability to keep on performing and deliver.

Yeah I think give the local guys a spot to shine. But also think there should be some standard set, Consistency and trust is key. There will always be the true breeders and then the "fly by night" guys. Track record will speak for itself and I think we should start tracking these local guys and do our own grow reports where people can have reference to, trade that's fire phenos in a clone form and see if it can be repeated by other growers, then that can be considered a true keeper. Local breeders should build a community of followers and growers, charging the same as international breeders don't make sense to me unless you are targeting international growers. There will be breeders that want to share their bests and then the profit and pollen chucking whores. Buying international stock and just pollen chucking doesn't make you a breeder either, anyone with some deep pockets can do that, breeding is a passion and that passion brings fire. From my personal experience there is some real Fire breeders in SA, they should be given the opportunity to show their stuff and having a local seed bank where one can have reference to will be great, so yeah man go ahead and do your research, list these local guys and have them reach out to the community and get some grow logs on, Totemic is ahead in this space as he has a good track record and easy to make reference to. A buddy of mine I shared a smoke with (Chocolope) was so impressed that it was a local breeder and best of all I just referred him to 420SA and said to check Totemic's threads. Just having nice pictures of weed on a site does not give me the reassurance that it will be good, I've seen nice buds with no taste and no high. The proof will be in the community, smoke reports and ultimately customer satisfaction. Do it man! Just do it! Get those local breeders into a one stop shop and let's get growing!

Day 7

The last few regular and feminized packs of my 2020 season are available online. Once they are gone, they are gone.

So got me some Ethos autos, being split with @Ill_Evan (Pluto Cut) and @CreX (OG Kush). Keen to see how they turn out, I will most likely create a grow diary once they are going for those who want to monitor and see the progress etc. @Ill_Evan I guess you could post updates of your plants in my thread if you wanted to. haha

We have most of the seedfinder strains on a subdirectory of our site as "catalog mode" products, there is around 19000 of them - still work in progress so could filter it by local guys only which would be great because we actually halted the project as we didn't see the value in duplication seedfinder lol, but @Totemic you have added some value to the idea. Now this is getting exciting!

The role of laboratory work is more important now than ever. Seedfinder is a great resource to provide a 'visual' genetic history of the genome. I have noticed recently though that many of the newer breeders, and even the seed producer class of 'breeder' are spamming seedfinder with every single cross they chucked pollen at. That reduces the reliability of the directory imo

I think it has gone way past users grow journals, but like I said before they are important. You have sites like https://en.seedfinder.eu/ and phylos.bio. They have good references to seeds, names, breeders, lineage etc. Including South African breeders, both here and abroad. What I would really like to see on seed sale sites is a rough cannabinoid profile of what to expect. One of the reasons is I am looking for high myrcene and THC seeds at the moment, and other reasons is the technology is available for it to be tested, so it can be made available.

Yeah, routine is the key. I pop seeds into water Thursday evening/Friday that way I can usually pop into pot come Monday. I actually enjoy watching the seedling to veg stage. Tough little buggers these plants are. Sent from my DRA-LX5 using Tapatalk

I think you missed the point. They breed and sell internationally, so what you saying. Dont worry. You probably dont get out much. Do you know what it takes to show face, attend meetings, setup stands, speak to people, sell your product.

I reckon every local breeder should at one point try and play around with these kinda genetics and see what comes of it. Risky though as so many are also riddled with hermie potential that'll take so long to breed out. You're also bound to experience a heap of backlash from the "gurus" as well

GSH in swaziland in 2012 picking up some of their strains. Most people have probably seen it but interesting. Edit: had the wrong vid, skip to 36mins

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I think it was @oldsandals, posting a series of stunning african genetics (sooooooo sexy!). Ghana, Malawi, Morocco, SA,... there is more to work with as most think. Durban Poison is one of the most decorated landraces... they wanted to get more yield, adding the OG Kush... and ended winning the cup.. , i think, 6 times in a row? Building up a african genetic exchange and come up with a African cup winner... more my direction. Not a easy task, but could be fun and rewarding. SA is leading Africa... at least how i see it. And with the laws changing in favor to grow, more ambitions perhaps? but if we find a coder in the mood to do it, why not think a bit further? Developping from a cannabis forum to a more african social media plattform or even thinking into getting a breeding licence as a 420SA team. Nothing against american genetics... love em.. all my tents are full with em right now. the climate adaptation isnt the issue indoors... where you grow the real potent stuff at least my indoor beats my outdoor efforts. And to be honest... i select never by climate suggestion... i wanna grow it, i just order and set my indoor climate different. I try to stay as uncomplicated as i can Perhaps also out of my mind.. lockdown does stupid stuff to my inner mental balance

I work exclusively with US and EU genetics. Most of my effort goes into combining those two pools. What makes or will make it local is that it is being bred and selected for these local weather conditions, median gradient from the equator etc. Many EU and US genetics perform way better at our latitude than they do where they are originally selected from. Then when it comes to our local landraces, my optimism bubble pops. Our landrace genetics is so polluted, and has been completely changed over the decades. Depending on what you are selecting for, our landraces are a poor pool to select from. That's where projects like my chocolope line come in. I'm busy turning this line into and F10(IBL)...effectively a new landrace. All my selection breeding on this line is outdoors, during all seasons. This is still years away as I'm only going for F5s now, but the point is, local breeders need to have projects going to create new landraces for the future. The benefits of such a directory would be vast to local breeders and consumers alike

we talk exclusive SA genetics from the beginning... african landrace mothers only? If you used euro/american genetics to create something, isnt really SA, or? Not sure what would be special on such a listing... enter it in seedfinder, if worthy... where we get to the point totemic wrote... to much junk gets entered these days. No history, no big effort, just create a entry. I stopped using it... and just follow my gut feel these days. I dont want to spoil other peoples fun, but i think local genetics, reputated ones, can cost a little more as they do now. Is quite some work behind in a game you not always end with a result and wasted 4 months time, just to start over again. Is there a local cannabis breeder contest? winning those usually helps..

We actually built a integration with seedfinder.eu whereby we pull through the info from seedfinder into our listings. Can see an example here: https://www.cannabist.co.za/seedfinder/?br=G13_Haze&str=Barneys_Farm The goal was to provide as much information as possible, has been on the backlog to complete but its 90% there. Attached a pdf of the result. For the technical guys, its basically another website we build which was iframed into our store. It impacks performance so we have started to replicate the seedfinder database on our side so we don't have to query their api every time. Eventually we will build it into our store so we dont iframe it. So what would be awesome is of the local breeder kept their seedfinder up to date and we will always have the latest and and forums. We can chat to their devs who we have worked with to include 420sa into the forum results. NgCannabistProductMeta.pdf

!*whoop whoop whoop*! Sorry sir you are under suspicion of being way too cooked, could you remove your glasses for me sir? Just as suspected. Send them in!

Awesome question IMO as everyone does their own thing, there are key elements that could fit into some kind of template which would ultimately be listed alongside the end product - helping guys understand the pheno traits and what is expected. Almost like a "conclusion" template with the experience of growing, smell, taste etc.

This is only a 1x1 space, so I can just just reach the back if I let my rib muscles spasm just right 1.2m + like the space you running, a net just isnt an option. Stakes work best then.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of having to stake and have yoyo hangers all over the place.

I met Franco briefly many decades ago in London, never met Simon or Arjan. I got GHS hooked up with Dr Ben Dlamini ( ex Registrar of the Examinations Council, and cannabis activist ) and a couple growers we had been assisting. Iam not to sure why i did not meet them, I used to be very underground and avoid most things due to working for companies that did not appreciate cannabis. My best meet was Howard Marks, I think around 2007/08 when he was doing a tour in SA. His book was published in '95, Mr Nice, was one of the main reasons I started getting involved in cannabis and it was an absolute honour to meet him, share a joint and get his autograph. I love getting autographs, dont now why, its a fetish. 1 year ago today Dr Ben passed away from old age. He had been advocating for the legalisation of cannabis since the 80s. People laughed at him then, but now their heads are out their arses and they are still trying to work it out. RIP good man. Made this music video for Bushy Williams around 2007, with Dr Ben in it. Lol at @Ill_Evan, my eyes at the end looked a little like the image you created, not cooked though, more baked.

Not to sure how you set it up, but the API might be less resource intensive than using an iframe? Plus also the iframe would be pulling data from overseas servers. The pdf is perfect, exactly what I was talking about. Awesome work, now just to make it work for you. One of my best experiences, assisted Franco with his venture into SA/Swaziland, and afterwards he sent me 5 kilos of GHS stuff. Something I did not expect. What an amazing man, RIP. This has been happening since the 90's, but there still are landraces, its the reason why I say Durban is rated as the top 10% rarest genetics in the world, and still considered a dominant landrace. Its documented and catalogued. I dont think there are good enough reasons to dislike GHS, yes they did take landrace strains, swopped them with european genetics with farmers willingly. But the work they have done for cannabis?

I'm going to do mine outside so would be interesting to see the difference.

I'm also a landrace skeptic, sadly. It would be a game changer for local breeders if they could bring those genetics back to life. The overseas market would drool for African landraces, bred at source.... but that ship has in all likelihood sailed. A few years back, 2018 or 2019, Jair Velleman (former co owner of Gavita) was here for the cannabis expo and such. He and a couple mates ventured to Swazi and claimed to have gone to a grow site where they were growing swazi landraces. A video circulated of it. The plants were definitely heavy sativa, really tall and looked pretty legit but how do you know.... and if you don't know a person, who knows a person, who knows a random grower in Swaziland, then how do you further the preservation of those genetics.... Swazi is probably 95% dutch genetics now. There used to be some dudes in SA who were importing GHS seeds in the thousands and sending them straight to Swazi. Polluted that whole gene pool in a few years. Another reason to dislike GHS. RIP Franco edit - gene pool pollution not really GHS fault but I believe they were privy to it

This was my thoughts, is landrace even a thing anymore? Like anywhere? I would think it would set a breeder back a bit to attempt to work with a untouched landrace strain, if one could find one. I'd imagine the breeder would anyways just mix that landrace with a tried and tested US/EU strain. But I'm a n00b at breeding so my knowledge extends to what is posted in this thread

For me it was definitely something I never even thought about when I started growing and buying some quality beans. When you start you pretty much only hear about the RQS or ETHOS genetics, none of my growmies or I even knew of any local breeders, you will maybe see it whilst scrolling through your favorite seedbank. For me it was something that I had to do my own research on and when you get there, there isn't as much info as the international breeder. I guess it is a thing that needs to be put out there a bit more, advertise the local breeders next to or before internationals. Maybe even have its own subheading just for SA breeders. We all need to do our part to educate ourselves on whats going on in the world of cannabis seed breeding in this country and support our local guys just as much as we are willing to do for an international breeder, they didn't get there just by themselves but with the cannabis community as a whole!!

Hey bud you well. What exactly is it that one looks for in a grow diary. I try and do diaries to the best of my limited knowledge. Growdiaries.com have a good set-up but i grow in soil and don't use nutes yet so for me it just becomes a log. Plant, water, photo, harvest. I'm sure a lot of us have tried to google a diary template, say no more. As you may have noticed that my hand is always the first to raise in class when a test grow is up for grabs. I've learnt a lot from the forum on the grow front. Now I need help keeping a diary on our great SA breeder's and strain's. Need pointers guys. [emoji109] Sent from my DRA-LX5 using Tapatalk

I too need to find a better way to support the plants and large colas, I was thinking of using stakes. In the past I used twist ties and hung the branches to the roof poles in my tent, lol. What a mission it was to do and again when it came time to harvest and undo it.

Going to need that net... Excite!

Nice, looking good - I assume the net is going to be used for when the buds get heavy to help support the branches?

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We set up a proxy using cloudflare workers and modified the headers to cache the requests on cloudflare so only the initial request had the latency delay, all other "api" requests would be cached and re-fetched when our edge cache ttl expired. This subdirectory cannabist.co.za/seedfinder/* (e.g. https://www.cannabist.co.za/seedfinder/?br=G13_Haze&str=Barneys_Farm) is another cloudflare worker serving up a custom app we wrote to represent the seedfinder info/data in a cleaner way - we just saved the page as pdf and that's the pdf you are referring to. As our site is WordPress/Woocommerce, it was faster to mock up the thing in angular and just embed it on the product pages via iframe. If that makes sense We have to write the php side of it as a custom wordpress plugin and then we don't have to use a iframe to inject part of own site into our own site lol - Started the plugin and then we last interest as mentioned, felt like we were just duplicating the seedfinder site. However feels like it might be growing some leaves here after some of the feedback. Regarding the landraces, like someone mentioned a few posts ago - imagine if guys in SA could run 1000s and select the best, rinse and repeat and market their progress.. However, what the local guys like @Totemic have achieved with the limitations of our law is outstanding to say the least. We are so stoked with the feedback, really didnt even think people would discuss and just click the poll so cheers to 420sa community for the epic epic thread.

Mr Nice. Met the legend years ago in London through a friend. Greeted the guy and small talk during the evening. If only I knew then what I know now. You got me wanting to read the book again. Anyone who hasn't should. Sent from my DRA-LX5 using Tapatalk

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It helps keeping colas where you want them, and if you dont use the net for any flattening training, you will still be able to lift it or lower it and gain deeper access if needed.

I'm going to be using nets on the next grow in my 2.4x1.2 space. At the end of flower last grow, half the branches were moering all over the place, had to use plenty of yo-yos and twist ties to keep things at the canopy. Hoping the net also keeps the canopy more uniform.

This man is getting me Ethos Autos as well. Anyway to start a joint diary?

Hello hi, Here with the week 3 update. Stretch has been pretty darn good from the Frosted apricots, hopefully she boast nice terpy profiles too! The White widow didn't stretchy that much however, the internodal spacing is almost null and void, so many bud sites, and she might get taller, who knows. My plan was to reuse these pots (for years) and to total 6 x 40l come winter, then start from clone, but plans change and now I'm back at the drawing board seeing which options suit best the living soil model. Regardless, I've been reusing my soils anyway from my second grow. I've been so fortunate to meet helpful people here in Cpt from this forum that I would have never really made progress without them, plus too, our bunch of friendies really come together and look after each other. So spoilt with the vast genetics I'm terribly back-logged with already, I'm going to do my best to work through them nicely. Strains that I want to grow and re-grow 2021 ---------------------------------------------- Ghost Train Haze #1 - Rare Dankness Spumoni - Plug Seedbank Zurple Punch - In House genetics Slurricane - In House genetics Bunicorn - In House genetics Sugarcane - In House genetics Platinum Gorilla - In House genetics Orange Kush Cake - Ethos White wedding rbx - Ethos Strawberry fields - DNA genetics OG Kush - Bagseed All Gas OG - Humboldt SeedCo Tortoni - Totemic Jack Herer - Unknown Some of these strains are still yet to crack a taproot so I might only see them later in the year.

Really didn't expect such great feedback, so we adding in a kicker - the most "reacted to" post will also get a pack of Violator Kush.

There are some great breeders to be found who don't advertise what they are doing, for obvious reasons. There is a lot of magic happening and if you are fortunate enough to be given an opportunity to try these strains, you should be smiling Personally, I am excited for the craft cannabis industry going forward, just as long as our laws can accommodate the creativity without crushing us with patent law from giants like Monsanto.

I like to be able to view grow logs of strains im thinking of trying. Big international breeders are easy to find grow logs for on growdiaries.com. This isn't really the case for local breeders. I also want to know what to expect from the strain im gonna be investing alot of my time in to get to harvest. Although I dont deny some local guys have that fire, the only one I would try at this point in time is totemic. Ticks all the boxes.

Greetings all A moderate to major update has just been performed on the website. As you will notice, there is a fresher interface which will hopefully make your experience better here on 420SA. Still some small issues which may be noticeable which I will get onto as soon as I have the chance again. If you encounter any major issues on your end please let me know as soon as you encounter them. Enjoy!

I didn't think there were many/any of us left on this forum. I was TrailBlazer on that old forum. That was an age ago though. Good times...