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It is not really ethical, but it happens and we know it happens. In this case it is the same picture for two different strains... Who really knows what you are actually buying though. This is my personal opinion, the best advice I can give you, stop buying cheap european seeds. All these common dutch brands, try avoid them - fork out a little more if you have to and go with some US genetics instead OR some quality local stuff if you are on a tight budget... I know not everyone is going to agree with me on this, you don't have to. End of the day, you're the one smoking your weed and who has to live with your harvest. I will be smoking my home grown stuff with a big smile. Barneys farms, nirvana seeds, dutch passion, seedsman and the many more out there. If you are really on a tight budget, purchase some quality local genetics like what @Totemic is putting out. I assure you, you will be far happier with what you grow from Totemic than what you may get from the breeders I have mentioned above and last time I took a look Totemic's range is far cheaper too and you're supporting local. Win win win if you are on a tight budget, it's really a no brainer. I am not saying all dutch breeders are but they seem to like to sell jut. You may get lucky and find a gem, however this is likely to be far and few. If people stop buying them, companies will stop stocking them. You are putting all this money and effort into growing, why skimp on genetics and settle for subpar genetics? The genetics make the biggest difference when it comes to a grow, probably followed by your lighting and then nutrients next.

Fair enough if you buy bulk seeds it will cost cheaper per seed. But do you really want to waste 4 months of electricity and nutes growing subpar stuff that won't smoke as nice as some decent genetics from a trusted breeder? So honestly speaking bulk seeds might be proper for beginner growers.. but if you know the quality of bud that you want you will struggle to get that consistently from bulk seeds. So on that note I have been burned by President seeds and bulk seed bank and will never again purchase any seeds where I know it was bulk or repackaged bulk. Rather cough up some extra cash and enjoy the fruits of your harvest so much more.. And I don't think it's ethical or treating your clients fairly by flipping and filtering bud pics that do not even relate to the strain in question.. but there's money to be made in cannabis so there will always be some poephol that tries to take advantage of that...

Seedbanks are like name brands. If you are only growing for smoking it's better to buy from a bulk seed supplier. If you plan to keep clones you want the name brand strains. If you plan to breed you step into the expensive as hell regulars.

I'll tell you what bru I even caught GSR using one of my pictures for the GDP I grew of there's. They got a better one eventually so they only used mine for a few months but I was perplexed. I had one good grow from a GSR strain but I found the genetics to be inconsistent, but they are at least the strains you pay for. Whether it's ethical to use someone else's pictures without their permission, well obviously not, but they are not scamming people with fake orders or fake seeds. Does flipping a picture and adding a filter with some branding make it fair use? Some would say yes. Oh joy ethical dilemmas!

yo man, how has Loadshedding affected you? or have you not had any Loadshedding? most plants show sex in veg very easily. a pistol site here and there doesn't mean its flowering, rather your plant is reaching sexual maturity. if you have been having Loadshedding, it is likely your plants may have received a longer dark period than expected, and therefore preflowering .... if you are experiencing LS, then just set your timer to 24\0 and let them do their things.

Nah, I don't need to stir on that front. They're not using it now and I didn't really give it much attention at the time either. I don't use conventional social media so my voice would've been pretty puny to begin with.

That's precisely the truth too, and as mentioned, I havent dealt with them before and who knows what seed was bought and how, as you say, the breeder has supplied bad stock (one guys Dutch P AUTO went back into veg) or anything can happen, growers own fault, or something. One just needs to be careful and be sure you do your homework, and especially dont skimp on good seeds from the best breeders you can, and from the breeder or direct outlet, is a sure guarantee of this in my experience. Hence MJSSA and soon Totemic, as I know them and trust them with my money.

I for one am looking at local genetics.@Totemic I'm enjoying growing. Another local I'm having good results with is @Bay Seeds . My mother plant library consisting of 17 plants at the moment, have got an infestation on a couple of plants. Not on the totemic or bay seeds though which says a lot to me. Sent from my DRA-LX5 using Tapatalk

Ironically I believe GSR breed their seeds in California But I understand your meaning. Genetics make a real difference and there is definitely a tier to seed breeders and the strains that they produce. USA genetics do have more power at the moment because they went wild on breeding high THC strains for a long time now. I do like Nirvana seeds though and recommend them to first time growers. Also Ripper Seeds.

Bet that bathroom hasn't smelt so good before [emoji1787] Sent from my SM-N960F using Tapatalk

I would say, no it's not ethical. How does one call that? False advertisement? I once had an eye on these beans (the juggling ones). Glad I didn't get them and thanks for bringing that to my/our attention @StickyD420.

99% is pretty good. Most tents leak light somewhere... either pin prick holes or through the zip or through a ducting sock . as long as you do not disturb them during lights off you will have a good happy harvest. As for defoliating, i can easily see the floor through your canopy, so if anything, your canopy is a bit bare and doesnt need any defol now... maybe in a few weeks as suggested

You bloody stoner you! haha You're onboard bru

All strong...

Congrats guys.

Bud update before Inzane chop tomorrow. The landrace plants have a way to go still. Wedding Cake has about a week to go Inzane In The Membrane coming down tomorrow

Congratulations winners. Those are both super pics. awesome stuffs.

Just thought of posting a topic about the pot politrix in the cannabis industry, and to all the wonderful angry trolls out there. Its really a sad affair and screws up what needs to be done. If you planning on getting involved or supporting cannabis, bashing peoples efforts is not the right way forward. Alot of it is 2nd hand information, fear, jealousy and coming from guys with vested interests in cannabiz. Focus on your own closest and start something big, go for it and dont let trolls stop you. This joint is for my trolls.

We have some awesome new gear arriving soon. Karma Genetics Lemon Tini - Lemon Tree (Lemon Skunk x Sour Diesel) x Sour Diesel BX Lucky Dog Seed Co Guerilla Fume - (Silverback OG x Chemdog 91 reversal) x Chemdog 91 BX3 GG Strains GG Wedding Mints - Wedding Cake F2 x Kush Mints 11 x GG#4 BX6 GG#4 IBL - work done by Mycotek and taken to BX6!!... only getting 3 packs of this one as that is all that is left. Apparently this is not available anywhere anymore. I might keep back one for myself Old School Genetics Orange Road restock

Good morning growers. Currently have two plants vegging in my indoor setup and I noticed this morning my one plants is start to show pistils?? The light cycle has has been on 18/6 since seedling and hasn't changed since. Was wondering why one of the plants is showing pistils while it's under veg? I thought pistils only come once u flip to flower under 12/12 cycle. Not very happy because I wanted to still veg out the plants for longer and recently just topped them. If anyone can give an explanation that would be great. Plants have been happy the entire time with no deficiances, problems or stress. I would say it's been a perfect grow so far. And they are photo periods not autoflowers. Is it possible for the plant to shoot pistils and show its sex while still in veg?? Or is it guaranteed flipped. Thanks guys would appreciate your knowledge on this topic

Hi Family, I know there was a post on a thread about President Seeds, and that they use a bulk seed bank and relabeled them as their own. Now today, I see that GSR is using other breeders pictures too, and seen a post by @Ill_Evan saying he doesn't use them anymore, and my thread about them wasnt answered, and see why now. Here are the pictures in question Is this Ethical and right?

Not to stir at all of course, only enquiring why they didnt ask you. If I was approached and was asked if someone or breeder and or company, wanted my pictures, I'd be so humbled and honored. Though it would only be fair of them to ask for your consent first, that's all. Funny enough, just this week one of my pictures had been shared on Instagram, and even though I had given the okay to post my pictures, they still felt bad that the media department had not asked for that specific picture, and I was totally cool with that.

I was meaning to ask, did you enquire with them, like what kind sunshine? I cant imagine they had a good reply...

We must also account for BnB and any other seed bank that provides us our beans here locally. Maybe they also get the shit end of the stick sometimes too from the breeders. Nothing stops a big pants USA breeder from shorting our boys with old beans.

I've only grown two strains from GSR and they were Grand Daddy Purple and Pink Mango Gelato. All the GDP seeds were definitely GDP, and the same for the PMG. What I mean by the inconsistency is that between ten seeds of the GDP, maybe two plants were worth the time. I don't mean to say that I didn't get the strains I paid for. But to answer your question, you don't know, because they don't use tamper proof packaging. They use those plastic vials in a small plywood box with some wood shavings. BnB have always given me original breeder packaging so I've never felt like I've needed to suspect anything. I think what your mates might be referring to are dud seeds? But that's just the nature of the game in my opinion.

Brother, I've taken several clones of it, and if you can somehow collect, or something, you may have a clone of her, what ever the F#@k this actually is @John Stonedwellyou took them words out my mouth brother ✌

I had not heard of Ripper before, and seen OverGrow last night had a few HUMBOLDT and Dinafem seeds. Will definitely try @Totemic and he knows and have mentioned I'm coming soon for something, his webpage wasnt selling when I looked, but see through the 420SA store. Nirvana, the international site, shows at least a good half of the seeds to be USA strains, but dont show that on their local site MJSSA, but know they exactly the same. So not all are European stock. My problem with using the picture of Humboldt, is that you'll be growing that Juggling Canon balls, and you'll keep thinking you doing something wrong, as yours never looks like the pictures. Then how can different strains or different cross species, look the same? And dont these people copying the pictures and photo shopping them, think to themselves, what if we get caught, we will look so stupid and wrong, and then how does that look? So @PsyCLownother than Totemic, as local. Who, breeders wise, internationally, would you trust or purchase from only, with local supply or stockists? Out of curiosity.

Ripper have some decent stuff. I guess it is more a blanket statement. There likely are better and more cost effective options out there. If funds are tight, form a group and split a pack of some expensive seeds if you want to try it out - makes it more affordable. Share the best pheno amongst the group. I'm not saying all expensive seeds are good, I know for a fact this is not true. I'm not saying all cheap seeds are crap, I know for a fact this is not true. European genetics wouldn't be something I'll willingly spend a lot of money on at this point in time. Many are attracted to them for the wide range of strains and often are a bit more affordable, however if price is your issue then looking local may be a good option. I don't think all local breeders are putting out top quality strains either though, so pick wisely. Sent from my Redmi Note 7 Pro using Tapatalk

Most of growers make clones if we see its a nice plant, my opinion is that if you are VERY tight on money and you want more for your money go@Totemic, his stuff is [emoji91][emoji91]!! If you make clones like many of us do I believe then R100-480 for a seed is not much, you get so much more back. Sent from my F5321 using Tapatalk

Thanks Stoner! Harvested both the Inzane and the Wedding Cake today. I decided it was practical to do it now, and it was in the window.

Definetely looking at pistils and not stipule, I have a few grows under my belt but still learning. Loadshedding could of definetey caused this however I'm still going to keep it in veg, thanks man

I agree with @CreX Load shedding could potentially affect the plants and cause them to flower depending on your load shedding and plants. However it is common for plants to show sex in veg and have a few pistils appear. The pistil location and amount of pistils is normal and consistent with what a vegging plant looks like when it shows its sex. If it is flowering, you get a lot more pistils and at the bud sites.

@Green looks good, you can wait to do more defol I feel.

Thanks guys :) Yeah, the plan was to defol in week 1 and week 3 of flower only, but they're in week 2 now and could maybe use another? The cupboard is now 99.9% lightproof, does it have to be 100%? I've read a few articles that stress the importance of having NO leaks, while it doesn't really come up in most sources. Humidity steadily at 55-65%. This has brought some tiny bugs out of the pots. I think they are springtails, apparently they're completely harmless and live in humid conditions feeding off mold and fungi. Hundreds of tiny jumping dots:

Looking really cool man! Good work :) Sent from my SM-N960F using Tapatalk

I've been growing pot at home for a long time and it's been good. I loved doing it and knew exactly what I was getting and what I was smoking. A year ago, my family and I decided to move to another state to live and I did not want to drag all this there. So I stopped growing pot at home and found a great alternative. On https://www.dailymarijuana.co/shop/weed-online/ I buy grass of excellent quality and the best varieties. Also, I recently learned that growing marijuana at home is harmful to the environment. Greenhouse gases are released, which are very harmful to our planet. Thus, people grow marijuana at home in inappropriate conditions and so I decided not to do it anymore.

That Inzane has a nice fade to her Sent from my F5321 using Tapatalk

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Yeeew! Thanks guys! Nice surprise indeed. Well done to @Prom on his beautiful winning shot. So many potential winners. Bless up!

When I looked at 5pm, 2 of them have breached fully, and the 4 are busy breaching. That's 6 for 6, in 3 days

Congrats to the winners!

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I agree with you generally, but I have seen people turning from friends to enemies as soon as money got involved.

Greetings all A moderate to major update has just been performed on the website. As you will notice, there is a fresher interface which will hopefully make your experience better here on 420SA. Still some small issues which may be noticeable which I will get onto as soon as I have the chance again. If you encounter any major issues on your end please let me know as soon as you encounter them. Enjoy!

Wow, we an international forum haha. I’m half Polish with my father being Polish, however, 3 of my mother’s sisters married Germans. One of them stays in Cape Town but the other two stay in Germany, I believe in Hamburg and Frankfurt.