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That discussion is on for decades I make it more simple. The better you can dial in your strain to your fertilizer, light, climate, counts more compared to what medium or fertilizer you use... bio or chemical. The better you know the strain you grow, the better the result.

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I agree, here and there, however, if you put it like that, the advantage of synthetic nutes is the cutback on crop time and upscale yield. this is to "feed the masses" right? here's where it starts to hurt, the planet is over populated. as harsh as it sounds we shouldn't be accompanying for the masses in the way we do. it stems from supplying the demand and the demand is the problem. it's all for economic gain, which I am firmly against. I would love to move away from all the destruction we cause, not add to it. where I see fit. again taking things back to what I stated in my first post here on this thread, and that is that I believe synthetic nutes shouln't be available at all. even the process of making them is harmfull to our environment. but hey, I am not here to change the world, lol. also as many of us would agree here on the forum, it's always quality over quantity, and that comes with organics.

Some of that early morning frost. Typical today is not so chilly.

So I finally got around to having a read, the nitrate issue is more for drinking water though - this is where big commercial farms play a role - excess nutes running off into rivers, dams, wells etc. I do agree that a change towards more organic and natural ways, or simply a reduction in the amount of fertilizers being used would be more ideal. However costs and effectiveness play a big role as we are talking about our food supply here. For us home growers, quantities are tiny and typically the run off would not end up in rivers and dams and such, also water treatment plants I would like to think should be removing most if not all of the nitrates. It is no secret that water facilities in some first world countries are shocking and there is a reason a lot of people only drink bottled water - in SA our tap water is actually pretty good in comparison to many other places. I'd still recommend a filter though, something I have been wanting to get for myself but have not yet. In terms of nitrates in plants, there is this article: https://fluence.science/science-articles/should-growers-be-concerned-about-nitrate-content-in-plants/ As for that chapter 5, I did not read it all but had a brief read through the first few pages. Once again it seems to tie back to the long term effect of the way most commercial farmers do things, which certainly leaves room for improvement. A combination of natural ways with supplementation should be reached first, inorganic / synthetic nutrients certainly have their place and advantages as they are immediately available to the plants and if a deficiency is noticed in crops, it can be treated and remedied much faster than an organic approach. Once again, we are talking about changes will may effect our food supply. Shortage of food is a big issue and leads to higher prices, increased farming costs or reduction in yield once again effect the price and supply. This naturally has a knock on effect on our economy. I am not sure farmers will get to a point where they can win, everyone wants food and needs food and they need to try achieve the best yield possible to maximize their profits and to ensure they can help reach the required supply and at the lowest cost possible. Moving away from synthetic nutes will take time and will likely be costly and once again likely effect the supply. However it still leads to issues of pests and weeds affecting crops. I do not see it as much of an issue or concern as some members have commented. Referring to synthetic nutes as a poison, well, if you want to go that far then really there are other substances which we consume which are far worse. It is a similar concept and fight as the one we currently have going on with vehicles and fuel, it is not good for the environment and we all know it yet I am sure majority if not all of us here make use of cars which consume petrol or diesel. We also all eat food, I doubt many if any members here are able to avoid foods which were grown with synthetic nutes - it isn't very realistic or viable at the moment for majority of the popular to do so. Processed foods would typically all come from sources where the plants were grown with synthetic nutes. In that regard, it becomes a bit contradictory. Cannabis is consumed in multiple ways, mostly by heating it up though. Smoking is not good for us, period. I really feel the dislike towards synesthetic nutes being used for cannabis is blown out of proportion, especially for us home growers. It really is not nearly as bad as some like to think. In the bigger scheme of things, change is certainly needed - but in the even bigger picture there are many other things where a big change is once again needed.

I agree, the world is over populated. Ultimately things are done for profit, the issue stems from capitalism I feel. As long as there is the benefit of some people being better off than others and in a way having more power than others by doing these things which are not always good for the environment and Earth, they will continue to do so. It applies to many different industries though and stems much further than synthetic nutes and I feel the synthetic nutes are the least of our worries. Your statement of synthetic nutes not being available at all, well, it is a bit harsh and there are loads of other things which should be "banned" before synthetic nutes are. I strongly disagree with you on your statement that organic grows lead to better quality bud over synthetic. Based on my experience, this is far from the case. As Prom has mentioned, there are also a looot of other factors which will play a far bigger role in the end result of your grow than the medium or nutrients being used. @ORGANinc. I agree with most of what you say, although I have never experienced any pops or cracks from my bud - be it the organic or synthetic grows. Sounds pretty dodge to me. We do need to keep in mind that many people who grow cannabis to sell, regardless of what nutrients and medium they use... there is a lot of other things they use and do which I feel can be dangerous and not good for the end users, however I believe it is done because it is cheap and easy. Ultimately, the wrong reason to do it. I am not saying everyone who grows to sell does it, but there are growers out there who simply do not give a fuck and do it anyways. I strong disagree with some of the things they do and I likely do not even know the half of it. When we think about it, the same happens with pretty much any other illicit substances out there as well, being cut and containing adulterants. Knowing where your weed comes from is a big pro and the best way to do this is to grow it yourself! Or know the person who grows it, perhaps they're a friend of yours who you know well and can trust. Alcohol consumption, as well as cigarettes both offer no medicinal benefit but can be addictive. Both lead to multiple deaths, although I think alcohol more than cigarettes. Ultimately, I want to try get the point across that when it comes to going cannabis for oneself. There is no right or wrong decision as to whether to make use of synthetic nutes or organic nutes. One is not better than the other. One is not safer than the other. It really comes down to personal preference and I feel all growers should do grows with both to experience the difference themselves and make up their mind themselves and not going with the flow of what others out there are saying. Also making use of some natural / organic aspects of growing and combining it with synthetic nutrients I feel offers a very good solution to very happy plants with great growth and good yields as well as excellent top notch bud. I know a lot are against this and feel that synthetic nutes is like taking alcohol or bleach to bacteria, although based on my experience this is far from the case.

You can get the best of both worlds if your timing is impeccable, and you know how fast you are depleting your organic matter, which takes out a whole host of benefits, also rendering many other nutrients in the soil unavailable for such a time, then it becomes a guessing games especially for the next plants if you using the same soil

There definitely is a global shift towards a more sustainable approach and it really doesn't have to include finger pointing or forcing people to change their ways of getting a desired outcome. I do not have anything against people who use synthetic fertilizers at all. When it's a home grower trying to get some bud out decent home grow, that's a win! I do feel as though I can tell straight away when the bud was grown with salts. It really is a different type of experience, then depending on how well said bud was grown or fertilized then cured, you sometimes get a snap, crackle and a pop, almost like someone snuck some pop rocks in there... that evidently cant be organic matter being burned (this is a inorganic salt residue) - also worth mentioning this can happen in full organic methods as nutrients in the organic form first need to be converted into an inorganic form for uptake (which happens in the plant). There are no stories of negative effects I've come across to support that nitrates or nitrate residues in the fruits are bad for human beings who ingest them / there are however studies of nitrate residues being an attractant for pathogens and disease. I must also agree with the fact that there are way more unhealthy things we folk do and probably wont stop doing anytime soon, one of those being ALCOHOL! man how I love my dopskies. And we all know how that story ends, proven many times over. But really. No hate for home grower using synthetics or anything like that, growing weed is already hard enough. My only hate is for the commercial industries not observing the crucial rolls they are playing in climate control and managing their soils better. Its complete and total ignorance, monocropping, heavy tilling, bare ground (that's left because it doesn't work anymore) and the likes. This is who I don't like - Big Farmer, haha dick heads.

Aweh. What a cool move gromigos! Thanks kindly to everyone for partaking and especially the donors for their contributions. Congrats bra Nibiru! Sure you will have much joy and look forward to seeing them grow on here. I love this forum [emoji16] Sent from my SM-N960F using Tapatalk

As per the Adidas slogan, Just Do It! Nike could probably learn a thing or two from the three stripe company, BMW, ///M Make a plan if you can, it will be worth it.

Goes further... you cant use seeds.. must be clones or you cant compare. Then we have the knowledge of the fertilizer. You dont learn it in one grow... is a effort a private grower hardly tackles. Must be fair... both grows need to be dialed in to the max. Then you can compare. I had hydro, awesome weed. Really killer... and i repeat it for soil grown weed... wish i could grow that. The knowledge behind the person growing the weed counts more as what he/she uses. The plants always gets what they need at the right time.. doesnt matter if the plant absorbed it over syntetical or bio origin. Key is they get all.. Use what you are happy to use, i wouldnt bring over population in regards to marijuana fertilizers As long as you like your smoke, life is good, or?

I have to disagree with you there. Based on my personal experiences, I did not notice any improvement in terpenes / flavour of bud grown with organic ferts vs bud grown with synesthetic ferts. I'd love to be able to do a side by side grow, same cut and then send samples from both plants to a lab for testing and see what the results say.

Thank you!!! I will make great use of this, I promise

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Give them a 2ml/l feeding once decent dry. then stick to your feeding cycle. You might want to add a shot of calmag (if you use nitrate based, only 1ml Grow per liter) or epsom salt. Will take 2 weeks to bounce back. As they are in a bad state, take your time to check how wet they are before you feed.. they use less now, as they stopped growing. The small one and the left one should easy come back.. the right, not doing to well. Root system is weak, is very yellow already. Is like in real life.. if you don't give your lady enough attention, she comes over and kicks you in the nuts

i see... we all hang over those pictures at the same time

We'd need a bit more info. So FF soil, bio bizz nutes and some teas. So what biobizz are you feeding them and at what dose and how often - also what do you put in your teas and how often do you feed the teas? I assume you do not PH your feeds at all?

Your plants are looking hungry. That "burnt" look is actually the result of a def. A sure sign of a def is when the leaves start yellowing from the bottom upwards. Possibly a lockout. How often are you watering/feeding? Also, do you let the pots sit in those runoff buckets after you water?

Received my order this morning... That was really fast - great job @420SA and @Totemic

Fair enough, I have however done a side by side for this same reason, as my friend swore by better flavor with organics, at the time I was all about synthetics and yield, so to keep it relevant I had the same strain, same medium, same watering method, only difference was in one I used organic fert, the rest synthetic. The organic in my case did taste better, the synthetic like most of the 90% of the times had this "certain" taste to it. I think it's the same taste people were referring to in previous posts. But without proper lab tests its hard to be sure of it, and I cant say it is defiantly better in terms of terpene profile. It goes to say its again a 50/50, some say its better others don't find a difference

Stop guys. Really appreciate all the support. I am in the process of paying. Wanna win the light fair and square now hey.[emoji111] Sent from my LM-X210(G) using Tapatalk

We can conclude that organic in terms of terpenes and flavour might be better than synthetics, but How do we view Semi-Organics than? Does it effect smoke & taste? It's safe to say that at the right dosage of synthetic in combination with organic we can get explosive growth. But does it negativly effect something else?

Thanks for the welcome. I can take some pictures when I take my clones, I just need to buy a razor blade and prep the cubes first of all. The seedlings are strong but all the clones have pests and mildew issues so there's plenty to keep me busy while I get them cleaned them up. @The_StonedTrooper cheers dude.

Hello, I'm just starting a new project for the winter. I've managed not to kill some seedlings of a variety called Zain, originally from green gage. 5/6 have popped and are looking strong. Then I was given 3 clones of Big Buddha Cheese and the idea is to do a pheno hunt and find a potential mother plant. The other 2 clones I have are California Hash Plant x Blueberry from Dinafem. Apparently it's hardy and mould resistant and can finish in 7-8 weeks. I am just about to top the 2 hash plants and make a couple of clones from them. So far so good. Thanks for reading my intro.

Sad but so true, we live in a selfish world, but I think it was @Naughty.Psychonautthat said, we are responsible for the communities we move in. If we can make a difference either small or big, than I say why not?

This is ultimately what it comes down to. You can lead a horse to water but cannot force it to drink.

with that said, you can present all the evidence in the world and people will believe whatever they feel is right for them.

sooooo uh yeah.... to conclude BIG NO TO SYNTHETICS " "

Just placed my order as well @Totemic Can't wait to get started on this grow

Headbangers pheno 2 they have a bit of a magnesium deficiency this tent is at another location so I don't get to see it daily. They have only received water we will start feeding these so the deficiency should be resolved soon. Headbangers 5 and 7 below no complaints here they already received 2 feeds of biobizz

Skop a clone out buddy, you skrik for round 2?

I yeeted my bucks please yeet them my way so I can throw them in the ground. #TickerNumber1

Thanks man Yeah always been keen to get the TDS pen also. But first on the wish list is a proper soil ph pen (blue lab) I love having numbers and stats, PH, TDS, EC, PPM anything Just a pity they are all so expensive (or at least the proper ones.

I don't have a soil PH meter that is reliable. Could check run off I guess. Watering PH as per above messages 5.8-6.2

If I may ask as well, how did the transplant go? Sometimes you get the plant into the new pot with almost zero disturbance(best case), sometimes it goes rough and the roots take a knock.(bad stunting) My plants usually perk up after a week or 2. With AACT's you need plenty air and movement. One fishtank pump might be too little. Tried it and it didnt work, I now run a dual air pump and fountain pump together(for air and agitation) in a 25lt bucket for only 18-24hrs, longer than that I get funky smells, the good aerobic bacteria deplete the food supply and die off, then the anearobic bacteria take over. Not saying that is what happened but there may be a risk.

Not easy... need some more information. How much and what exactly you give on BB nutes when you feed. How heavy are those pots, i asume you let them dry? Very droopy the indica. I tend more to underfeeding... digesting itself... combined with to much watering

@Naughty.Psychonaut with the heat. Thoroughly enjoyed the read and info, well played sir.

Absolutely, you have to use a clone to do a proper test, you might have the same strain, but different phenos. With a clone we baiscly using the same plant under the same environment. I found something interesting. Of cause there are many factors at play that only lab results can really shine some light on , Here's two articles I ve come across for a good read and I think it applies perfectly to this thread Organic vs Synthetic - Side By SIde Organic Vs Synthetics

Yeah. Thanks all again. I've been saving since the comp was advertised. Firstly so that I could compete and learn in real time with so many diaries going at the same time. Secondly, why the hell not, I have the time and honestly love watching these plants grow. Sent from my LM-X210(G) using Tapatalk

@420SAI am unfortunately out, won't have the space. But I would like to pay for @DamDaveticket if he has not done so yet.

Got it, I was spam sending messages to you as excited as I was :d sorry

We all believe you deserve this, and happy to see you happy... I'm also very sure these ladies (seeds) are going to look well after you and you'll make magic with them

I really can't thank @Marijuana Seeds SA @Marzcanna and @Stefan enough for your contributions, they are going to be loved by Nibiru. The members who nominated people, thank you to you guys for your contribution in that form. You all are special people for being selfless.

I couldnt resist adding Venus to the mix, she is greedy and likes a whole jar, and gets The_StonedTrooper photobomb.

Very interesting! I ll have to read this, thanx for sharing

Possibly, or more possibly the fact that @Marzcannastarted this thread, to get some good debates going and some traffic and to get the fam having discussions. And what better way than with the most debatable topic you might get.

brodie, have a look at this man...

Very true, well said, its about the plant and experience and just love for the grow.

And some indoor pictures.. happy plants. I start to worry about a plant the moment she stops "praying". Then I run my mental checklist and start to figure out what is making her a "tummy ache". And I go back to normal mode, when the patient is back to praying. Pineapple just got repotted into 10L, next is 22, then 40 final. 22L (Velcro) and 40L (no Velcro) are fabric pots. Gelato clones in different stages Enough air moving over the plant, LED doesn't burn, even very close. Not sure I make 20cm here, never had bleaching

Had to be Gelato Happy Flowering