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Eish! Sorry capn!! Look at me slipping at the end!! Coe now Richard you're better than that Alright so full on flower pom poms now and so far so good. Must note they the cola leaves on most peeps flowering plants come out small and aren't really getting much bigger... Not sure if this is a fault of my own or what, but yea, just an observation.

Day 4 Week 12 Update Got nothing Tarryn Sisa

Day 69 22 of 12/12 Just a quick update buds is starting to fatten up a little and is getting a bit more frosty My plan is to start with boost nuts(PK+) the next watering hope that helps to put on more weight

I'm sure this has been covered but I want to further emphasize this issue. There's a lot of misinformation surrounding our hobby and one of those is that mycorrhizae can't not live in a synthetic environment. But what is mycorrhizae actually? Well in simple terms the associations between roots and fungi are called mycorrhizae. These symbiotic arrangements have been found in about 90% of all land plants, and have been around for approximately 400 million years. Plant roots are hospitable sites for the fungi to anchor and produce their threads (hyphae). The roots provide essential nutrients for the growth of the fungi. In return, the large mass of fungal hyphae acts as a virtual root system for the plants, increasing the amount of water and nutrients that the plant may obtain from the surrounding soil. A plant that forms an association benefiting both the fungus and the plant is a "host." Large numbers of native desert plants are hosts to these fungi and would not survive without them. Two general terms are used to describe virtually all mycorrhizae: In ectomycorrhizae (external), the fungus produces a sheath around the root. This sheath then produces hyphae that grow into the root and out into the soil Endomycorrhizae (internal) do not produce a sheath; the hyphae grow within the cells and out into the soil. These are far more common than the ectomycorrhizae. But without going into much what mycorrhizae is and what it does (not the purpose of this thread) We want to know if mycorrhizae can Infact live within a synthetic environment. According to Robert Pavlis (gardener & scientist with 45 years of experience) most organic books or blogs will tell you that synthetic chemical fertilizers are killing the bacteria and fungi, the microbes, in soil. Dr. Ingham and her Soil Food Web preach this same message. Stop using fertilizers because they kill the bacteria and fungi. Some people claim that the ‘salts’ in fertilizer do the damage, but anyone making such a claim does not understand what happens to salts in soil Fertilizer provides nutrients like nitrate, ammonium, phosphate, calcium, potassium, sulfur etc. These are all nutrients that plants need to grow A lot of organic followers believe that the nutrients from organic sources are some how different from the ones provided by fertilizer. They are NOT! There is no lab in the world that can tell the difference between a nitrate molecule from manure and one from a bag of synthetic fertilizer. Plants can’t tell the difference either, because there is no difference. They don’t care where the nitrate came from. A lot of people doubt science and in some advanced areas of investigation science may not be 100% correct. This is not one of these situations. All chemists agree on the above fact and have done so for a long time. Organic material releases the nutrients slowly over many years. Synthetic chemicals release the nutrients as soon as the fertilizer dissolves in water. Is it possible that the quick release of nutrients kills microbes? Keep in mind that the soil under your fingernail after a day in the garden contains millions if not billions of bacteria. Is it reasonable to think that fertilizer would kill all of them? I don’t think so. Even if the fertilizer killed 99% there would still be billions and billions in every shovel full of soil. And bacteria grow very quickly – as fast as doubling in number every 20 minutes (at least in a lab). There have been many studies looking at the number of bacteria in soil after applying fertilizer One such study done by "impact of organic" looked at both bacteria and fungi populations, and compared untreated soil to (a) soil treated with organic material (manure, rock phosphate, neem cake) and (b) soil treated with synthetic fertilizer. Measurements were done at two different depths. Adding synthetic fertilizer resulted in no change in the number of bacteria and an increase in the number of fungi. Organic treatment increased both fungi and bacteria slightly. Synthetic fertilizer did not kill bacteria in soil and it increased the number of fungi. Agriculture Canada looked at the effect of ammonia and urea on the microbes in soil over a 10 year study, and concluded that “nitrogen applied according to soil test recommendations had minimal long-term detrimental consequences for soil microbes, soil biochemical properties, or soil structure.” The science is quite clear. Fertilizer, when used properly, does not kill microbes. BUT why do fertilizers not kill bacteria? The simple fact is that the nutrients in fertilizer, especially the nitrate, is a nutrient required by bacteria. They eat it! They actually absorb it since they have no mouth, but you get the idea. They also eat the other nutrients; phosphate, potassium, sulfate etc. Bacteria and fungi need these nutrients as much as plants do. Once you understand this, it becomes fairly obvious that adding these nutrients to soil will not kill the microbes, unless they are added in very large amounts that prove toxic. Think of composting. If you add too many browns the composting process goes slowly because there is not enough nitrogen available for the bacteria to eat. Since the bacteria are starving for nitrogen they don’t multiply and composting is slow. Add some nitrogen, either as a fertilizer, or as ‘greens’ which contain higher levels of nitrogen, and the compost pile suddenly heats up. The bacteria now have enough nitrogen to eat, they are active, and they multiply. All of this activity heats up the compost pile. BUT!!! It is true that fertilizers are salts. This is not sodium chloride or table salt. The term ‘salt’ has a different meaning for a chemist. To them, a salt is a compound made up of two or more ions. Table salt is made up of sodium ions and chlorine ions. Ammonium nitrate fertilizer is made up of ammonium ions and nitrate ions, so it is also called a salt. In dry form the ions come together to form salts. When the salts dissolve in water, the molecules break apart and form ions. When fertilizer salts are spread on the ground the white and gray balls are salt. When it rains, the water dissolves the salt into ions and washes them into the soil. Once they are in the soil they are no longer salts. Salt will harm bacteria and plant roots if there is direct contact. Due to the large number of microbes in soil, and the small surface area of the fertilizer crystals, this has no significant effect on the microbe populations in soil. Once the salt is dissolved, the ions quickly become diluted as the water moves through the soil layer. Diluted ions in water do not harm microbes or plant roots. In fact both of their lives depend on the ions being in the water. It is the ions that they absorb – not the salts. What happens with organic fertilizers like compost and manure? They contain large molecules like protein and carbohydrates. As these are decomposed, they are converted into ions. These ions are the exact same ions that fertilizer produces. Once commercial fertilizer dissolves in water it is no different than organic fertilizer. Fertilizer does not kill bacteria or fungi

Just a little update... we have bloom!

Although I am far behind the rest I am quite happy with how the gils are doing.. They received a microbe feeding this morning..

She has recovered nicely and is pushing out more growth, I might remove 2 lower stems because they are not catching up. Sent from my SM-A715F using Tapatalk

As a late comer to this poll, am I allowed to suggest our own soil, Thrive Living Soil from www.thrivecentre.co.za ? We tend to find that a lot of soil producers try to throw the kitchen sink into a soil, without really understanding what elements do what. The whole "bullshit baffles brains" approach. So, for instance rock dust can stall your plants if you haven't also included indigenous microbes collected during the winter months. That is because indigenous soil microbes move deeper down in the soil layers during winter, in order to decompose the tougher mineral matter, versus more usual organic matter in summer months. Some of the key components to get right are obviously your base NPK ratio. We aim for around 6:3:2 with a strong and sustained Nitrogen boost for initial growth, and then a slower and more sustained release of Phosphorous and Potassium for fruiting and flowering. Getting the timing right is important and that's where the inoculated biochar comes into play. It's also important that the composting process introduces living, microbial matter into the soil food web, and that it finds a home in the biochar, establishing a symbiotic relationship with the plant roots. A good living soil should give you at least 2 full strong growths without refeeding with compost and/or organic fertilisers. Although you really want to be feeding and fertilising your soil, and not the plant i.e. the plant needs to talk to the soil for what it needs, and not let the human try and force feed the plant. We are exceptionally lucky in that our soils have excellent natural mycelium and perfect pH for cannabis, developed over thousands of years in Hogsback. That is something that no soil producer can ever reproduce on their own. We also produce most of our own amendments, such as our oak and bamboo biochar (Japanese style) which also gives us superb wood vinegar. This is not that well known in South Africa but wood vinegar is probably your number one all-round Natural insecticide and fungicide. As far as I know we are the only ones producing it in SA, as not that many have sustainable oak and bamboo resources. It is Nature's own plant immune booster, root growth stimulant and flavour enhancer. You can read more about it at www.woodvinegar.org

Feed the disease Look at the algal blooms on many of the coastline where run-off is occurring, due to an unsustainable practice. If only all the microbes loved nitrates... Also how I understand them Greenhouse salts to work so bloody good. First you have vegging energy in the initial stages of plant growth, this is green growth. Green growth favors nitrates, chloride, calcium, and potassium... These elements when supplied to the plant in the right ratio stimulate the production of auxin, pushing to the seeds and the growing tips (this is masculine energy) While all this is happening the plant is sending exudates to the rhizosphere to ready the colonies that it would favour for the current stage and future stages (microbiome changes as the plant matures). We know microbes use nitrates as an energy source, that and carbon, in ratio of 26:1 (its a bit more complexed, but that's the bulk)... what is carbon? well that's much of the organic matter in the soil. So add more nitrogen, naturally add more carbon. In ratio. Other pitfall not mentioned. Now we need to understand how much of this nitrate is needed to grow plants. Science says really not nearly as much as we thought post the war effort. Now that there is a microbiome thriving on nitrates and supplementing its new carbon appetite with the necessary organic matter available, just know you'll be needing to PH your water now. The most important body in the soil that does everything, and I really do mean everything is in decline, and something else is taking its place. Okay now you done vegging, and your plant is going to flower, this is referred to as reproductive energy, supporting this stage requires a well ratio'd amount of the following Ammonia, Calcium, Mangenese and Phosphorus - These are the ones worth mentioning. Reproductive energy and Vegetative energy are highly antagonistic. The reason everybody cuts the nitrate in an inert system is because of the above - it does no good for flowers man. Would you consider an amended system with a high OM to hold onto nitrates better than an Inert system? Well I most certainly would. So Algae - Greenhouse seed company make their special sauce, cant remember the name but its a biostimulant product containing Humic, fulvic and Algae... And I always wondered, why algae??? Because if there is any excess nitrate lying around during flowering, they should surely tie them up safely and out of roots reach. Nitrates change the make-up of the microbes in the soil faster the exudates can.

Flower Day 26 Going pretty well thus far through flower. The plant in the middle has been quite a stretcher so I've been having a tough time taming her. Supercropped one of the branches too aggressively and caused it to collapse quite badly, to a point that it can't right itself properly. Will probably need to stake it later on but it's fine now. She's occupying quite a lot of lateral space which I suppose isn't such a bad thing. My favoured pheno right now is Tortoni #2, pictured far right in the below pic. She has the best looking bud development so far. Tortoni #2 (best pheno so far) Tortoni #3 (stretchy one) Tortoni #1 I watered with something a little different last night.... unfermented beer, known as wort. Beer brewing has 3 steps, the mash, the boil and then fermentation. The mash is where you extract all the starches from the malted grain and have the starch converted to sugar by keeping the grains steeped in water within a specific temp range. I had a little excess liquid leftover from the mash I did on the weekend so I thought it would be a good idea to throw this into the next watering. Plenty of good enzymes in there, plus a bit of sugar for the microlife, can only do good I reckon. Two hobbies working in harmony lol

#3 close up... things are happening

you cant think like that man haha... thats the same as saying ag why smoke weed when it comes out the ground... we must just smoke the ground rather then right? all the elements the plant uptakes are building blocks for the plant, and like @Marzcannasaid, elements are elements, doesnt matter if they are organic in nature, or manufactured. so as long as you are not burning your plants and have happy healthy plants... your bud will taste the same if not better

Here we have 2 power plant buds from the same pheno. Bud on the right was hang dried for 13 days at a constant 62 - 65% RH & 16 - 18c, followed by a 60%RH cure for 4 weeks Bud on the left was "Freezer - Cure" for 3 weeks in total, week 3 I pulled it out an hour each day. They were than cured in jars for anther week. So what I found was that bud on left seemed to keep its mass better than right bud (air dried). Left bud (freezer cure) also had a greener "fresher" look to it. It also a fruity "floral smell" Smoke wise both smoked great, however I will give the "freezer cure" the point as I found the smoke was a little smoother than the "traditional cured" Flavour, hands down..... "freezer cure" it literally tasted like it smelled. Fruity taste. Bud on the right also had a fruity taste but not as profound and didn't have the certain floral after taste like the "freezer cure" I've done this 3 times, 2/3 times I've had great results. I will definitely try this again, however what has worked for me might not work for the next person but you will not know unless you try it. I will point out once again that it's a MUST for this to work that you do it in a "Frost-less" freezer. Normal freezer will ruin the bud which was the case in my first try. I confirm that this has worked for me atleast

There might be some information that's been left out regarding the case, soon after the haze club decided to go for the interdict from the constitutional court regarding the legality of the model, the SAPS responded with a dense affidavit describing what their findings were and the contradictions or flaws in their model compared to that of a functioning Cannabis club. Marking or cordoning off space allocated for members (they did not do), marking or labeling seeds that should have come from members (apparently also not done), barcoding or labelling bud for specific members (SAPS again say they were not doing) and then talking about SeaOfGreen methods utilized on their website, in the affidavit, that just sounds terrible. We cutting lots of clones to grow many many plants for the most yield. Just some more information, I honestly do hope they come out strong and everything works out, additionally giving the community a bases on the do's and don't in terms of the clubs for interest sake, and as guidelines for future clubs.

Still we had hope at a time when we needed it bro

i think thats highly debatable. referring back to @Marzcanna, i also agree that if you apply too strong a dose of nutrient feed to your plants, you may do more damage than good to your meduim, definitely the plant. An analogy would be that you like your coffee hot, and that cold coffee is gross. but if you were able to heat your coffee to 120 degrees would you still like it? no its gonna burn your beak! so if you are following the salt based nutrient feeding schedule for happy healthy plants... then your meduim will also be happy and healthy. i do not remember ever seeing a healthy plant in unhealthy medium. and as for smoke reports, i have had some strains keep me high for 6 hours no sweat! and others that keep me high for 30 min, other strains that taste like dog poo...and other strains that taste like a unicorn came in your mouth... and i only grow in coco and salts. if the plant is healthy without deficiencies or toxicities - then that is the plants expression if you grow poorly in coco vs growing great in soil - obviously the soil will taste better visa versa, if you grow shit in soil, vs great in coco - the coco will trump the soil but if you grow well in both meduims - that same strain (and pheno) will taste the same and i do not think you would be able to tell a difference

I agree, And it would depend on factors, firstly is it outside in the ground, or inside in a pot. Because one, outside you going to want to look after the earth and its life therein, as you will be feeding the plant and not the soil, so it will die away (view depending) Inside, in your tent and pot, you can do what you like, you not hurting shit. I have used mixed, with good results, and only in my opinion and my mates, prefer the soil to be fed and find a longer lasting high, maybe not as punchy, but longer, and debatable sweeter.

Everyone, as promised, here is...

@Marzcanna Great info, do you have a link to the source perhaps? However there will still be those who read this and believe synthetic nutes are the devil. Each to their own though As long as we're all growing good cannabis, who cares? No reason one cannot do a mix as well, does not need to be an organic grow in order to make use of fungi, microbes, bacteria etc. I personally use a mix of stuff with my grow, along with my GHE nutes and plants respond exceptionally well to it.

Week 12 - Day81 (27/07/2021) HORTIMIX-DWC EC at 0.9 PH at 5.9 Topped up Res with 5L of water - PH'd to 6.0 EC 1.1 Current EC at 1.0-1.1 and PH at 6.0 Going to recalibrate PH sensor and EC meter today and re-measure the res EC and PH

A classic old saying comes to mind when I read all this, "Courage is knowing it might hurt, and doing it anyway. Stupidity is the same thing. And that's why life is hard." I am sure a lot of you have heard about this Natures Pharmacy place operating under the One Culture club thing and there are other cannabis related social clubs and quite some movement in the "treating cannabis as if it is already legal" department. Here is my question, you guys see this as courage our stupidity? You guys think these people are hindering the movement or are they helping it? When looking at all the big names in usa such as Mendo Dope and Jungle Boys they all share a similar backstory, and that is that they all had to break the law quite a couple times and face long court hours to get to where they are. Today those guys are heros in the industry. Not saying we should look at how they run things over there in Murica, I would never say that, but we can "cherry-pick" what we wana learn from.

If we must sacrifice THC for cannabis clubs to be a thing, I'd be ok with that

26 July 2021 - Flower Week 7

This is super cool, didnt know that charlotte has been making the rounds. busy flushing mine now that rooting over the rock is dope!! ( my snap was taken under yellow hps & flash so colours had to be touched)

Day 22 of flower , all 3 doing good and think the one I topped is going to be my favourite for now......... but things do change when girls become woman . Rain water and saterday they got a Fire Juice and Probiotic. So far the no real difference with the FF Green bag , 50/50 mix with Green bag and ammended soul and the one just ammended old soil. They share a room with plants coming down in a week or 2 , problem is I want to veg the next batch and can't wait 5 weeks , will see what plan I can make. [emoji323] Sent from my Hisense Infinity H50 using Tapatalk

Finally got the electricity installed. Feeling a lot safer after running everything off one extension cord Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Frosty and praying like they have sinned Sent from my Hisense Infinity H50 using Tapatalk

Frosty.

My first ever seed purchase was made from dopeseeds in 2016 and only arrived late that year. Grew and failed some strains but always stayed well clear of touching The Dutch Passion Durban Poison pods. Till now. I have feared failure or disappointment long enough. I am finishing off with my last ever flowering in the grow room and prepping for moving so this promises to be a challenging grow, but persistence will suffice. I also popped Pineapple express from a bag and Peach pure CBD to start new mothers for a different project. Popped and planted.. this packet has been chilling in the fridge since growing was illegal illegal.. so im glad my cold storage was successful Pure got baked on the heating element and unfortunately didnt make it. RIP The xpress was popped earlier thus the forwardness. Noticed a small tear on one of the other guys and i fear that we might have to deal with invaders. Havent spotted any yet but will sherlock the situation.

Hey guys, I noticed the same seeds today on B&B price is lower as it is a 3 pack. Came across it and reminded me of this thread. Also if you search CBG there I do see another strain come up ""MMS – Mr E Pupil" The CBG content looked high from what they state. @Weskush Blessings

Personally, I'm always going to want to feed the soil, and not the plant, whether outdoors in the ground or potted indoors. Let the plant establish its own symbiotic relationship with the soil. Synthetic fertilisers have tended to focus on solving one particular aspect, so growers end up with insane cocktails of stuff, over correcting here and under nourishing there. It's kind of why no-one has yet produced one medicine to solve all human health problems. It's too profitable to push multiple different drugs onto us. In the same vein, I don't know of any good all round synthetic fertiliser that can do everything that awesome soil can. But of course we are biased, being soil producers ourselves. The ultimate test is to examine the tissue structure of the plant, and the proof of the pudding is in the eating, or the smoking. When it comes to food, we can easily taste the difference between naturally grown food in awesome soil, and food grown with chemicals. Good soil is so complex that no-one has yet to completely understand all its aspects. We are learning everyday. "We know more about the movement of celestial bodies, than about our soil underfoot" - Leonardo da Vinci

So healthy my friend

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Microbial enhanced nutrition delivery, is the phrase he uses and also "There's a microbe behind every mineral" I think he farms with 18,000 apple trees and produces millions of apples every season. He says our farmers in SA are leading the world, when it comes to turning around the agricultural decline and rebuilding the soil's fertility. A lot of these strategies for building up the fertility with no till, teas and inoculants are for Broadacre, pasture lands and orchards. I'm not so sure that they scale down, or are appropriate for our small garden use. There are only 2 known species of Endo mycos (glomulus) that form any relationship with weed. Do any myco products list the spores they contain? It can take up to 10 weeks for the symbiosis to establish. If there's already an abundance of soluble P in the soil, then the mycos can remain dormant, or even turn parasitic against the host species If you use trichoderma in your potting mix then it will dominate over other species. Its the most aggressive fungi in the soil and it chows up other mycos, in its wake.

Hmm, rather curious to try it myself but not sure my freeze is frost-free and taking it out each day for an hour is serious missions and not something I can commit to.

@Marzcanna I like me pavlis, he isn't trying to sell anything and says it straight. Have you read his opinions on fish fertiliser? Another good website is called horticultural myths, by a lady called Linda Chalker-Scott. If you apply too much nitrate, organic, synthetic or whatever, then it burns out the carbon and you strip away the fertility of your ground. You create a feeding frenzy, boom and bust scenario. Use organic matter, compost, humic acid and fulvic acid and don't go too heavy on any fertiliser. Organic fertilizers work well with compost and OM, as do synthetic salts.

Yes original article by Robert Pavlis HERE

I'm not going to get technical it's above my pay grade lol However I just recently started my frist "salt" grow with EHG nutrients and coming from biobizz it feels like I'm cheating So much easier to get healthy fast growing plants my only concern is tasting the "salts" in the flower

Well, many big name hydroponic stores in SA started by selling weed as well so.. I am aware, and to @Naughty.Psychonaut's point and to mine as well, it isn't under any official regulation so any one of them can be technically shutdown. I in fact went to my local Cannapax (before they got shut down) to check out the place and try out their weed just to compare to what I was growing at the time. It was also just fascinating to me that they operated so openly. What I meant by clubs being a thing was rather the ability for clubs to operate openly and not get randomly searched or harassed by the popo or anybody else. The guys who run clubs more privately are obviously going to be ahead of the game for sure, so I'd say they fall under the label of courageous, while guys like Cannapax fall under stupidity. Yes exactly like this minus any worries from authority. If THC were in fact not operating in the way that they should have, then I guess they fall under a bit of both courageous and stupid but this alone is very interesting to me because I wonder if Schindlers would be supporting them so thoroughly if this were the case or whether the SAPS are claiming that they weren't in order for THC to prove them wrong and to see how much data/evidence THC were actually able to obtain/keep.

Ya, that just shows you how unpredictable all this shit really is... When I think about a club, I do not think one facility or one farm, I think about a network of growers, consumers, and a managing body (the club)... Growing for themselves and for a handful of close friends or family members. Its quite easy for people to miss the concept all together, and then poof, your deemed illegal.

Clubs are a thing, many of them operating out there. Their lawyers seem pretty confident, so let see what happens. This may not apply to every province, but I think it was in PE, saw a video of SAPS vans arriving at at a club on a farm somewhere, they were there for about 5/10 minutes and then left politely. Could've been any reason, but what ever it was must have been some compelling stuff.

Frozen Monday update: I did the last bit of defoliation on Sunday to try get maximum light exposure to all bud sites. The ladies are looking really good and surviving the big freeze we're in.

First signs of pre flower.. Yay...

The Zsweet Inzanity came down this morning, and these girls took center stage. They are in flowering for 3 to 4 weeks now. Front = Mad Berry (Sannies) Back = Sherbet Cookies (Nirvana)(MJSSA)

Looks like a chicken dinner coming your way

Week 9 Update / Flower Week 3 There was an explosion of growth this week although the bud development seems to be a little behind. Don't know if it's the cold, or something else but it just seems a little more delayed than usual. There are definitive signs of flowering albeit slower on the bud development side. Besides that they look really healthy and full and I'm looking forward to seeing them bloom:

Some PornBud.

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