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Thank you for looking, These are the latest perpetual grow pictures, various weeks.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm certainly not proposing guys start filling their rooms with landrace strains. For me, the magic of landrace lies in their potential for breeding.

Would never say the weed was more potent in the good old times ^^ it wasn't... nostalgia taste swing back, yes, but stronger.. no way. Just look what changed on extract tech. The oil I extracted with a freakin laboratory.. not joking, was black crap compared to the one cylinder Butane you do today and result is see through golden honey, nothing black or extremo dark green ^^. Landraces are the most stable strains in my book, not changed for centuries. So they also have hardly any sprinkle and potency. That you do with breeding the different genomes you want to express more. And I kinda love Sativa plants just how they grow. If you don't get stoned from your weed anymore, swap strains. Is this phenomenon when you go to a friend and his weed always hits you harder as your own and you think, the guy grows better weed ^^ and he thinks the same of yours.. A robot bush weed joint can hit you hard.. not that it tastes great but can really hit you, till you get used to it. Addon And we don't forget Autos... is funny how all yell Photos are more potent.. but the potency record holders at Canna-Bliss and Qure.. are Autos If I could clone Autos.. or get Auto seeds in very stable form from the strains i like, never ever would touch a Photo.. way to much trouble to get something out and the time it takes.. naaa I just Love Autoflowers.

Here a Lesotho landrace to excite you:

Yeah man, couldn't agree more. Cannabis has evolved gloriously in the last 30 odd years, and current expressions far outperform those old landraces. Besides all the pressure from prohibition, populations of landrace cannabis will have gone through many many generations of genetic drift that will have completely changed them.

This is true, at what point is it no longer a pollen chuck? People take time to select specific cuts to breed together and then release as an F1, is this a pollen chuck? They sometimes pick a nice cut of a specific plant and then breed it with a variety of their existing strains - is this a pollen chuck? Seeing lines past F1 is not very common now a days, it feels as breeders do not mention how far down it has been bred either and I always assume it is just an F1. As you have said though, does it really matter as long as the buyer gets some awesome dank at the end and is happy with their purchase. Everyone is looking for different aspects in their bud and strains they choose. Variety is always nice as well.

@PsyCLown I think you have it backwards bud. Although life is all about perspective. For me, and many others like me, the newer stuff is all about marketing/hype. Take this "elite" polypolypoly hybrid and smash it together with this other "elite" polypolypoly hybrid. Give it some bullshit desert name and then hype the hell out of it. Do this multiple times in a year, which pretty much guarantees nothing has been tested, and then sit back and watch the fanboys queue up to throw their money at you. Laugh all the way to the bank, while the market is flooded with super frosty boof that smells and tastes the same as the last super frosty boof they grew. The frostiest and possibly "prettiest" strain I've ever grown was a freak Amherst Sour Diesel. We all thought it was going to be super potent and tasty gear. It was straight rubbish. Same with a cut of DOG I had from Ripper. That one was potent as hell, but the high was muddy and although there was a hint of grape terps, there was no taste at all apart from your typical burnt hash flavour you often find on freakishly frosty gear. Are there "new school" breeders who still produce fire. Of course there are. Are they completely overshadowed by the cookie fam? In my opinion... definitely! Think about this for a second... Golden Goose will never be one of the big banks in SA. My partner and I are well aware of this. We've even had a serious discussion about stocking things like autos and your typical hype gear to help improve sales. We haven't done it (yet) though, because then we would be completely contradicting our own mission statement. Making us hypocrites and twats. We wanted to be niche. That is probably going to bite us in the ass in the long or even medium term, as South Africa is just not a big enough market for this type of philosophy or market strategy to work. If we pack up shop, at least I will have tons of gear for my own breeding projects. That will be the silver lining I cling to. LOL! Also, I just want to add that I doubt OSG is testing all his gear either. What I like about him, is that he is sitting on gold when it comes to hard-to-find older "elite gear". He is also an honest guy and a pleasure to work with. If you're looking for gear that has been properly tested with real fire power and that old school flavour, then look no further than Lucky Dog. Skunk VA is passionate about his chemdog genetics, and it shows. Unfortunately, his stuff is not cheap though. You pay for the work that he puts in. Now, a logical person might surmise that progress is just that... progress. Therefore, cannabis strains in general will improve. I firmly believe that sentiment to be flawed though. Before the trend of global legalisation, or decriminalisation people had to do some serious hunting to latch on to anything special. Wether in clone form or pheno hunting through seeds. That led to it's own set of disadvantages, but one of the positives is that growers and breeders cherished what they had and the passion was real. When breeding, it was often done with clear intent on the outcome and they selectively bred towards those goals. Many of those same breeders in today's economic and social climate would probably also just smash unicorn raspberry poop to sunshine rainbow cheerio pebbles and call it a day. So it's not that their moral compass was any better. These days, demand is massive and everyone wants that new new. If you want to stay relevant, you have to pander to that demand. Making it almost impossible to breed to the standards set by the previous generation, who could afford to spend years on a breeding project to get it just right. The Brand is the new god, and every breeder has dreams of being the next Coca-Cola. Apologies if my post came across as hostile. I didn't read the entire thread either, so I might also be in danger of picking up stompies.

I use 1.2x1.2 trays and if I have run off, I just drop a few sponges in the tray and remove after a few minutes. No need to raise the tray to drain and picking up the sponges isn't really hard work ^^ If you put a slight angle on the tray, one sponge per corner will do the trick. Just angle to where you can easy access.

hahah this "looking for those old school strains" is a never ending thing in this cannabis community, and I really can't wrap my head around it. SO MANY factors come into play. everything changes. even the nature of things change when given enough time and this is a good thing, it's growth, we need to grow and allow things and ourselves to change. the big deal when it comes to looking for a certain strain. you have to know what you looking for hey golden key this is a big contribution to my notion that many classic strains people are looking for are gone, because people don't even really know what exactly they looking for. then they find something with that name, make a purchase and the best among the batch will be labled "the real deal" when in reality the closest you will get is just something slightly similar. this is causing further confusion and people who go around claiming they have the real deal because it's got the same name is really shouldn't be doing that. I see labling a strain with a old school name as a marketing tactic used because of the hype around old school strains. there was a video posted on here not too long ago explaining genetic plasticity, going deep into physiological morphology based on response to unique environments and human intervention. saying you're hunting a old school strain and expecting it to be like the "real deal from the 70's" is like saying you looking for an ancestor of yours that looks, speaks, acts, smells, has the same blood type and exact same evrything as you. which is just a wild thing to say.......... I would love to know from some of these old school hunters on the forum, is the weed of today not good enough for you or what's the reason for clinging to the past? I am willing to bet that the strains you guys are looking for, or shall I rather say the "profiles" you guys are looking for are right under your noses, it's just got a new name... Is it just the name you guys are looking for and the ability to say "hey mate, I got a jar of the real deal old school original shit from the 70's". or are you guys for real hunting those strains? cz you gotta be a real big time grower to be doing a real hunt like that. I am sure most of you guys are familiar with Arjan Roskam and the strainhunter show? You can't just grow 100 plants in your back yard and call it a strain hunt. You'll need to be able to have a grow setup in every second corner of the world and I mean mountain side grows of a couple acres, you have to be able to travel the world and do insane amounts of research to be doing a hunt like that.... otherwise you're just looking for a strain with a old school name and of that there is a litteral TON out there. every seed bank offers some or other "original". ✌

@DankFiend What about looking for a used one on an aquarium forum? There is also one for sale on this forum: I reckon pull the trigger and get the proper equipment and be done with it!

Man this is the thing. What is a pollen chuck...? You could say I pollen chuck every year. Just because I spend my time selecting my males out of the lot I grow, does that mean it's not a pollen chuck? It's experimental for me, and I create plenty of new F1s every year, trying at best to improve the next generation in one way or another depending on the traits I'd like to slam together. Sometimes it works out well. Sometimes it doesn't. But I also work my lines further, which is not the case with many new aspiring breeders. Im also growing out all the cuts you guys are from Inhouse, ethos, and a few others, crossing in some of my other lines to add a bit of variation in my populations to pheno hunt. The industry is taking shape fast, and with the sheer variety of strains out there, be it a landrace, a hybrid, or a polyhybrid, at F1 or at F4, does it really matter if the result is a successful harvest of some dank?

@Prom @CreX Thanks for the notes. How been doing the ice packs and toping up with water from the fridge (which making sure I don't push the the temp down too much). Will try to do the order tonight then. Hopefully stuff arrives before the city get hotter,

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I agree. The climate has been changing, CO2 levels would be higher now which is better for the plants. Breeding has lead to strains which put out higher THC and more frost as well. What is the appeal behind these old school strains? I know peeps like @Golden-Goose focus on a lot of the old school strains, perhaps with a bit of a modern twist. As you said, to me it feels like a marketing thing as companies have gone and taken the status behind some popular strains and ended up with their own version of said strain, which when grown out from their seeds is nothing like the original might I add, and sell it in hopes that people will buy it based on the name and the fact that it is easily available and cheap. I feel a lot of the dutch seed guys have done this. It might be nostalgia as well if there is someone from that era who use to smoke. Think that the weed was better - perhaps more potent or the terps were better or whatever the case may be. Often this is not the case though, it is a known fact that us humans are not good at remember detail accurately over a long period of time and what we recall as memories from our childhood for example can end up being quite different to what reality was as the years go on. With weed and substances, there is also the novelty as well as set and setting which need to be taken into consideration. The first few times you smoked weed, the effects may have been very different and I know for a fact this has happened to me. I used to get the giggles a lot and now I almost never get them when smoking. I do not feel this is the weed I am smoking now, but more the fact that the novelty has worn off. You get a fast car, it is awesome but over time you get use to the speed and it becomes normal. Similar concept. You may also associate smoking with some fun activities you did when you were younger, that may affect the way you recall the weed being. Tolerance I feel can also play a role. I recently took a break from smoking for the month of August, not that I felt I had built up a big tolerance but smoking after the break, it hits a lot harder again. Go from smoking and building up a tolerance on shitty outdoor, to smoking some good indoor and you notice the difference! Landraces can be fun to play with I guess, the old school strains I can understand from a collection point of view but in terms of them being better. I do not feel that is the case and need to disagree with it. Life goes on, things improve with time and weed has improved in multiple aspects over the past 3o+ years.

In my case is easy.. I just want to play and try to create a Autoflower out of them. Pure fun, I don't have the space to serious develop and wash genes. Never turned a Photo into a Auto, pure curiosity and a stable Landrace should be rather simple to turn, not that I expect anything close to a high yielder, just very intense Sativa genetics in Auto form (97% Sativa, 3% Ruderalis, that area). And if the result is some what useable, use it to trade with Breeders in the US. I personal enjoy very much the new strains and run those in my mother tent.. the Super Skunk is perhaps the oldest... "name" ^^ Not really tasting like the Super Skunk I know from 30 years ago in Amsterdam. But tasty, so, a keeper. Might rename it ^^ we started to give weed our own idea of names, when it is just nothing like the original. Last two I gave is "Fruit Bowl" and "Lithium" (two Pineapple Express hehehe) Not that the name survives.. mothers i dumped on the compost heap Both very potent but zero Pineapple taste.. why keep that? What I really hate on a weed.. when it smells unbelievably good and tastes like cold socks, just nothing like the smell of the plant. I smoke em, not just smell em ^^

Here she is 15th September, only 11 days later She gained some width and height Branching Main trunk Mom tent, +-70 cm tall Sent from my SM-A715F using Tapatalk

And I am happy. While turning and rotating the plants so they all get a fair share of light I noticed #3 is taking shape now. This cola is 180mm. Man, am I happy.

Exodus Kush at 61 days.

I promised a narrative to go with the pictures above... so here is it. Gear Tent: Mammoth 120 pro (120x120) Light: 630w LED (space was too small for my Gavita so I am using someones Fluence Vipr) Genetics (for now) 4 Platinum Garlic (1 in an organic mix) 1 Blue Cheese (organic) (All from seed) System I have 3 platinum garlic under a scrog screen, fed from a 30 litre Rez. The plants are in dutch pots. I have never used them before but I built something similar for my first hydro grow. I used basic garden irrigation for drainage and for the top feed. There is a small Rez at the bottom of the pot for the plant to wick nutrient solution from, so I dropped some old air curtains I had in there (which seems to be working well). I flood the system for about 15minutes when the lights come on, then do another 6 spaced 10 minute feeds while the lights are on. And finally 1 more feed midway through lights off. Given that there is a Rez at the bottom of the pot, this might be excessive, and makes the temperature issues more of a hassle...so might adjust for now. Feeding TA 3 part and folia feeding nurtiflex vulvic Anticipated problems The carbon filter I have is done for, so I took it off. Although I can change the carbon I prefer just buying a new one. I will do this at the start of the month, but it is going to create temperature issues when I attach it. The light I am using - although LED - still puts out a lot of heat for the space, so its better to resolve this while still in veg. The Rez is small and its heating up. This means that I need a chiller. The discipline of regular topoff and ice packs has been working because I have been at my desk with the Rez next to me, but it's getting old quickly. This is probably my next purchase. Unanticipated problems One of the platinum garlic plants is showing rust spots on the middle leaves. Given the location and the fact that it does not rub off I inclined to think its a Magnesium deficiency rather than fungal. Last week I also noticed that my PH meter was off, so I was probably running the solution a bit too acidic. I have therefore been when running at a ph of 6.2/6.3 to see if that helps and did a folia feed with some Cal/Mag. When lights went out I also gave some GH bio-protect.

Let me ask in my reef group to see if anyone has any going and ill let you know.

Beautiful pics dude, wow!

I did see that. but anything over a few grand I prefer to buy something new, especially when I don't understand the tech (and can't look under the hood), and also where I can't send it back with a nasty letter of complaint when the shit doesn't do what it was meant to. for someone willing to go that way, an aquarium forum is a good idea which never even crossed my mind. the chiller I am considering for 8, I found on jungle aquatics and is the same (or a newer version) of the one for 6500 (above). The extra 1500 for advantage of being able to collect it nearby, and for getting a new unit, seems to make more sense in my case.

Come now @PsyCLowndon't be a pussy drop your numbers ;). I'd venture to estimate I've spent around 80K since I started growing again, but this year I've spent about 30 +-

So I did a thread like this with a poll last year and since we end up spending more and more each year - thought why not update it on a yearly basis. So just equipment, not the actual running costs like electricity, nutes, coco and also not including seeds). The names will not be publicly displayed, so you can vote with confidence as I understand this could be a touchy subject if everyone could see the names of the voters.

Poll closed, new one is here: This is for the year 2021.

Maybe we do it as a yearly poll? We done one for 2020, we can do one for 2021 now. Then one for 2022. lol

I definitely gotta update my answer!

I think it also comes down to what you are looking for in a strain. I will agree, just because a strain puts out frost does not mean it is super potent or full of terps. I grew a bagseed plant which which put out some decent frost, infact here is a picture of it. Not on the same level as in house genetics, but for bagseed it certainly surprised me and puts out more frost than a lot of strains people are still buying, even some more expensive ones. Tasted like nothing and the potency was not there. I honestly expected a lot more from it. During flower it smelt great though. With a lot of the in house genetics I currently grow, frost is there but yield takes a knock. The high is very pleasant and does change between strains but the terps are very similar, especially once smoked they taste very very similar. Some are a bit different but for the most part the ones I have grown out are quite similar indeed. Potency is good too though. Without a doubt In House Genetics chuck pollen, as do a lot of other popular breeders. As you said, it does feel like it is a game about pushing as many lines as possible and it works off hype. I feel Ethos are worse though as they do the exact same thing but their strains are really overhyped. They sell you on a beautiful description, sometimes include some nice pictures and what you get when you grow it out is far from what you expect. Not much special most of the time and Ethos might get lucky on one or two of their lines. Heck even @Totemic does a bit of pollen chucking at times to get new strains out. Breeding and not releasing F1's and waiting until they are bred further is a very time consuming process. I feel a breeder does not necessarily have a choice if they want to get some of the newer strains into their mixes in a timely manner. Is there anything wrong with pollen chucking? Well, this is perhaps another topic on it's own but it has its appeal and uses for both breeders and growers. As a grower I do not really want to see this amazing strain and not be able to buy it for a couple of months, more realistically years. As you have said, a lot of strains can seem quite similar. What has stood out from the rest is these super frosty strains. It is visual and you can clearly see and tell whether it is different and do not rely on someone else stating that the terps are amazeballs and the high lasted as long as the plant flowered for. Compound Genetics have some, In House Genetics have some, Relentless Genetics have and others as well - unfortunately trying to get some of these strains locally is near impossible and they are often limited runs (Compound Genetics particularly), however I would expect the terps to differ a bit between these super frosty strains but unfortunately do not have much experience yet due to not being able to get said strains. I think I may have asked this before in another thread, also don't misunderstand - I was not and am not taking a knock at Golden Goose or the strains you sell - far from it. Although the strains you guys sell are a mix of the old school stuff with some newer ones, is that correct? What is the appeal for you behind these strains which you stock versus just the new stuff? Stuff which is put out by some of the breeders mentioned above who have become quite popular and who have put out some strains with that "next level" frost. What is your view on some of the guys like BeLeaf who do a lot of growing and chuck pollen between two great cuts he comes across? I think maybe the industry has changed with cannabis being legal in a few places and more people growing their own and people are now easily able to grow their own and share what they have and what they are growing and what they have found. They can do so legally in a lot of places as well, combined with the internet - someone finds a keeper, it is easier to share it and document it and ship it off to others to make use of. It no longer relies on a small group of guys who grow out thousands of seeds to try find that one special plant and then trying to make the most of it. Not as many people buying seeds or wanting to buy seeds as well, so releases could take longer I feel - not if a breeder can only release a strain after say 2 to 3 years of breeding they're going to have a limited amount of strains to offer. Are most of the strains from your side not F1's?

I used a old barfridge with two holes in the side for pipe to go in and curl a few times ( much as possible) and out again to a small water pump in the res , it helped to keep water below 21degrees on hot days . Can use a small fridge also with water in it and then pump and return again , won't freeze up due to new warmer water from system. Sent from my Hisense Infinity H50 using Tapatalk

i was given the stuff a year or so back and am only getting used to how it works now....i dont have a link to the spliff range of ferts, but heres a link to their website. https://www.haifa-group.com/

LOL nice one... i do the same, but use a floor towel to soak up the excess if needed

That's a cool hack, nice one!

@Weskush, he talks about some interesting stuff. The fact that him and Soma used the same male when breeding different lines because they were sure of it's traits. When he talks about terp profiles was also good (especially the part about the Gas terp profiles)

A couple pics from 4th September Tortoni is enjoying the 40l fabric pot, but she is too leafy and has alot of lower growth so, I stripped her bare to see how she would handle it Mom tent Sent from my SM-A715F using Tapatalk

What about a nice mankini? The investment is totally worth it. Buy a pizza oven, get people to eat pizza and trim your bud in exchange for some fresh, home made pizza. Providing pizza is like a vacation. Gives me time to go to the beach with my mankini.

Almost feels like breaking up with your girlfriend

Anyone else getting the feeling that they don't REALLY wanna chop their plants? Its been flippin awesome growing in this comp and I don't want it to end.

nice bru! looks like the typical inhouse stretch on your lady! at least trimming will be a blast

Been a busy time... Sifted 400lt of compost from the JoJo composter, cooking 200lt's on the backburner for the next round in the wheelybin. Mixed 2 batches of 160lt's. Base store bought 'soil' amended with wood ash, volcanic rock dust, dol lime, bone meal, bio ocean kelp and 60lt of sifted compost and 30lt EWC each. The soil in the blue drums get rolled every week to mix and aerate during cooking. The drums are less messy and look neater, rolling them also much less effort that spade turning. Been struggling to find decent EWC locally, decided 'stuff this' and started our own farm, mix of red wrigglers and local worms. Started with 1, now up to 2 totes, very soon 4x60lt totes will supply 40-80lt's every 2-3mnths. The tea is a welcome bonus. Worms seem happy as they breeding like bunnies.

Sorry to burst any bubbles, but the original skunk does exist. If you are interested I would start with agseedco's skunk, direct from Mel Frank collection. You can also look at Aficionado French Connection who published a post of an IBL '74 Skunk. I think AFC probably got their skunk from Todd McCormick ( AGSEEDCO ), its totally legit and he ships to SA.

Hey all, So I am sure most of you have seen a few places pop up and more companies starting to offer clones. I must admit, I am in 2 minds about companies doing this, that is besdies the point the. I am curious to find out from those who have purchased clones, what did you get and have you grown it out? How was it? Was the pheno any good? Was it what you expected? Better? Were you a bit disappointed perhaps? If you guys have photos of the clones in flower, would be amazing! Just trying to get a general feel for how you guys feel about it and the quality of the phenos which you ended up with.

Try Authentic Genetics. You will have to import ot though. It is probably as close as you will get. Follow Mel Frank on Insta they are the real OG's

Good day folks, Anyone here into the aquarium hobby, salt or fresh (aka bathwater to the salt ou's) Personally I've got roughly 10 freshwater tanks and one marine tank, the marine is my latest addition, just under 2years old and already had 3 major breakdown, huge money pit salt tanks are! Kief kief tune if you're a fellow tank man, or woman!

@JamesD Glad you came right, often the stores will wait until the funds reflect (even if POP is sent). EFT scams are common, I have come across multiple fake proof of payment documents. So always best practice to wait until the funds reflect before shipping out whatever it is which you are selling. Next time, if you are in a hurry an instant clear EFT may go a long way Stick around, chat with us some more and show us what you going growing in your tent!

Get your US address and pool and ship to SA: www.planetexpress.com That they use the Futurama company name is just more cool. Friend tested the service.. works like a charm. Helps if you have a Bitcoin account.. that is also rather easy to get here (www.altcointrader.co.za) Hope helped somebody

Out of interest, is that how the Nirvana seeds where packaged or did you cut the labels off and that's what's in the pic?

Thank you for the positive review brother! I can't wait to see the flowers...

Recently purchased some seeds from @Golden-Goose. Good communication from their side and overall a positive experience! Looking forward to grow these strains

Hey 420 Ok well this is how i've done it for the last 10 years with no dud seeds. I take my seeds put them into either a small bankie, or into those small glass vials. You can put a grain of rice or 3 (or silica gel balls) in with them, just to keep the moisture away incase it creeps in. Then they go into an air tight container with one of those silica gel packs (you find them in new shoes). Then into the fridge. I must emphasise that the spot you choose should be your spot, as you dont want a fluctuation of temps, which can sprout seeds if the conditions are right. I use the top shelf or the veg drawer. Then go about as usual when sprouting them.. Awe