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Morning growmies. So 133 days from seed and week 10 ish of flower the girls got chopped. Not feeding is evident in the size of the buds but I am happy with my results. Nr 3 definitely had the best buds of the three. Size of the pot good watering regime the correct light and good airflow is some of the lessons I learned from this grow off.. Sulpher and serenade is boss and a must for all indoor growers. This then the last post on this thread.. Manny thanx to all the experienced growers for guidance, @420SA for the opportunity and @Totemic for the beans.. I opted for a semmi wet trim due to my WPM issue. Must say that the Seranade mostly saved the day. Thank you @Prom.. Your a legend. Good luck to all the participants.. This was eppic and looking forward to the next one..

and that is all the lower buds(C grade) just going to make some hash from that

Morning folks. So it's been a while and I thought we can close this diary with some bud shots. A couple of things went wrong with this grow, one major of which was too little defoliation. This resulted in a lot of underdeveloped bud under the canopy that stole some energy and resulted in smaller mains than what I would have liked. But so we learn. I haven't done a smoke test on any of the ladies, I want to go for an 8 week cure before I start to light it up. Most of the bud went into the jar on the 22nd and 23rd of August so will start toking up in October. I decided to relegate all under developed bud and popcorn to the trim bin as I hate trimming overall and small larfy bud just kills my mood and willingness to enjoy the trim.. so with close to 100g's of popcorn tossed the final yield for buds in the jar ended up at 199g's I am super excited about my next run, got 4 Old School Genetics strains from @Golden-Goose, 2 strains from Motherland genetics as well as 2 exceptional InHouse cuts from my man @PsyCLown. I hope to remedy all my mistakes with this past grow on the next run. Thanx for all the constructive input from fellow forum members, you really helped a lot. So here we go.. Bubblegum GSC Palomino Tortoni #1 Tortoni #2 Twisted Helix Next run

Good day fam! So I'm back up and growing again! This time it's 4 x Loud Cake (seed) and 1 x Dirty Kush Breath (Clone) They all started in some freedom farms starter and then moved into CannaPro and started feeding Mega Solutions. They struggled a bit for the 1st 2 weeks while I was getting conditions in order, they don't like anything under 18 degrees but since Temps are more stable they are growing nicely. I've topped them already and they responding well. There's one loud cake that's standing out with growth and structure but excited to see how they turn out. They currently under 2 x 120w Modugrow I'll turn on the 240w QB in 2 weeks and then add another 90w later. I'm hoping to flip the 1st week of October

Me? One of the big boys... Heavens no. I'm a hobby breeder man, but my efforts have created a table that made 7 figures over the last year down my distribution line with 45000 seeds distributed. So does this make me part of this commercial machine? Does this make my efforts financially driven? Does this mean I have changed the way I approach my breeding over the last decade? I couldn't tell you how any of those real big guys run their breeding programs, nor their primary motivation. My primary motivation has always been driven by a deep relationship with the plant, and sharing that. You may see totemic as just one of the brands, and while I have chosen a brand to engage the public, totemic is still rooted in the activism to free the plant. But anyway, I do get where you are coming from, no offense taken at all

The tents doing ok, I believe every single pistil is pollinated and lots of seeds are forming on every female. Trimming these autos 3 times and forcing them to stay small looks like its going to pay off. At least with my size constraints and what I wanted to achieve. Im already working and doing test prints for the new crosses. Counting chickens before they hatch lol

So I was browsing the Internet last season, more or less end of season, and in the process startes browsing local seedbanks to see whats out there. So I noticed a "free seeds" section and of course I checked it out and saw Chocolate Gelato on test a testers needed base, i guess and did a fake checkout to see what I needed to buy to get this deal. I did not complete the checkout cause I just figured lets leave it cause I don't have cash now anyhow. Couple days later I received an envelope with feminized seeds, some rolling papers ans a sticker. All they asked was to do a test grow here. So here we go.... @Cannabist, @Totemic I received 5 x seeds and planted 3 for this season. 2 popped and is alive. The 3rd one did not make it sue to human error. I'm not sure what the Sativa/Indica ratio is and the genetics either and I am hoping for Totemic for that answer and maybe a few tips.. They have been watered and fed with Humigro yesterday morning and they are responding well to it. Soon they should go to their bigger pots homes in the garden..

Damn man... I'm so involved in this thread I can't get any work done. Guys think about this for a second.... strains that not only survived, but achieved legendary status during the worst years of prohibition did so on merit alone. Yes, there was hype around those strains too but there was no big budget driving marketing campaigns to achieve this. For the guys willing to invest a little time into reading some old threads. Head on over to ICmag and read some of the old threads around OG Kush, Sour Diesel and Chemdog. It makes for very interesting reading. Am I allowed to punt another forum? I'm not suggesting anyone defect. LOL! There is a thread posted by Good ol dog. Read that from start to finish and you might start to get an idea of why Chemdog is the legend that it is.

I feel this has lead to an interesting topic with some nice views and opinions. I do feel there are some traits which are not ideal when it comes to some of the popular, bigger name breeders out there. Perhaps even some of the smaller breeders. The breeders aren't necessarily able to cover costs themselves and for most it is a business, so at least one of the goals is to make money and profit. Understandably so. Without the old there wouldn't be any of the new. Without people breeding in the manner they feel works best for them, we may not have ended up with some of the strains we have today. I am of the opinion that there is no breeder out there who only has fire strains, at least according to my preferences, however a strain I dislike may be cherished by another grower. Variety is important in this regard. I have yet to come across a strain which ticks every single box I want, there has always been a compromise of something and it may continue that way until cannabis starts being genetically modified and released to growers. Whether this will happen, who knows, I feel it is likely considering the way things have gone with other crops people grow in large amounts. It is likely easier and quicker to modify something in the lab then to try and breed selectively for particular traits. This is another tangent though. @Golden-Goose Although these big brands may be focusing more on marketing than breeding, they still need to at least try put out some fire stuff - especially if their pricing is on the higher end. No matter how good the branding and marketing is, if their strains are consistently shit then people will eventually learn and stop buying from them. It does feel as if there has a meta with cannabis. Certain strains or breeders getting hype for various reasons and one I think we can all attest to is Slurricane by In House Genetics. A lot of people know of Slurricane, whether it is really slurricane they end up growing or smoking who knows but is has become a very popular name. The same applies to some other strain names, white widow, skunk, chemdog, OG Kush, GG #4 etc. It happens quite a bit with some of the older strains actually, at least I feel this is the case. Which kinda takes me back to one of the points which lead to this conversation - people using the popularity behind these names to sell their products. ie. cheaper seedbanks making their own version of chemdog or white widow for example and selling the seeds for a lot less and making it more accessible to the masses compared to the original breeder of these strains. Heck, even Purple Punch - a quick google search will bring up multiple "breeders" with this strain. Whatever you want to call it, I feel what these breeders are doing by working off the popularity of the name and just trying to get a piece of the pie is wrong. I have no issue with people using popular or good strains, but at least use good cuts of these strains when breeding and put some effort into it. Like you get Purple Punch: and then you get Purple Punch: Also how many cuts are available or how accessible are some of the true, proper old school strains? Perhaps @Golden-Goose would have a better idea than I do. I suspect some of those cuts are likely gone or kept by a very select few people who likely do not share it. The same goes for some landraces, such as Durban Poison. A question for me still remains, for some of these popular old school cuts - have they continuously been bred and kept evolving and improving with the times? Something like White Widow, Chemdog or GG4 ? Are they available in their original form still and how does that actually compare to some of these newer strains? I feel a lot of these breeders who try and copy these older strains may have fucked the original breeder over as a lot of that the cheaper stuff grown which claim to be the same strain is mighty disappointing and this in turn can lead to people thinking those are shit strains in general and it was all hype. I myself am perhaps in this boat. What blows my mind is, if stuff like this was available in the 90's Why have people still been growing jut like this: 30 years later and the above is still common amongst growers. As far as I am concerned, weed like this is below average.

Thanks man [emoji16], My go to is dry ice and bubble bag very easy and high yields Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Thank you for looking, These are the latest perpetual grow pictures, various weeks.

Week 16 Update / Flower Week 10 I've changed my mind on who to bring forward. The tall, strong and beautiful T2 has grown on me. He flowers are so colorful and resinous, she has really astounded me. Also realised I don't have a clone of her for some reason so I monstercropped one of the budlets on the the lower growth, really hope I can get something rooted of this baby I'm hoping to give these girls the axe the weekend, trichomes will tell closer to the time though. They could easily go a lot longer but I don't enjoy the effect of a belated harvest even though that's when they pack on the pounds. With bringing T2 to the sacrificial judgment altar I went ahead and started trimming the fans off T1 and T3 getting them harvest ready and letting them buds soak up as many rays as they can until D-Day.. Caution: barrage of photos below: Group photo: T1 (back right): T2 (back left): Getting there but still needs time T3 - front left Clear trichs still prevalent

A little off topic, but so on topic. The artist who designed this image is a cannabis supporter and you will see alot of his images on stickers and shirts.

Keen to see how the Loud Cakes turn out

Yum Yum!

Yes sir. Some BHO dabaliciousness courtesy of Mr @The Grass Baas He is still experimenting on some methods to get us the purest product we can get

Nah bud... I don't see Totemic as just another brand. You may be quite successful, but my rant is specifically aimed at mega international brands. Especially Cookies. What Berner has done is great business. I just can't fathom how strains that the cookie cutter machine stamps out on a regular basis can compare to some of the legends of the past. This is actually a conversation that should be had in person. Too much talking past each other to make our individual points. No hard feelings my man.

A link to the article for those who have not read it: https://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/gauteng/i-am-not-afraid-says-cabbage-man-as-he-prepares-to-take-veg-garden-fight-to-court-fe8e5c1f-b1a1-43a8-8a28-34c88f517f27 He is trying to do a good thing and is taking the initiative and putting in the effort, yet at the same time I can understand that is everyone is allowed to do this - we would not have any sidewalks and it could quite easily lead to other issues. As an example, rats could come and start taking over the suburbs due to this food which is easily and readily available to them. People can no longer run, job, walk or cycle as easily or safely. A common ground needs to be found I feel, I like the idea of having designated space where food can be grown for those in need. Unfortunately managing this becomes an issue as we get those who are greedy or do not care and will ruin it for everyone. Perhaps it would work where an honesty system works. If there is a cannabis plant in public and it gets to flower and it is easily accessible. I am certain it will be harvested by someone pre-maturely in fear of someone else taking it down first and getting it before they could. Sort of like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

@mantis this was an epic grow to follow man, great stuff!! you gona make some bubble hash or how will you be extracting?

So the time has come ... chop-chop I would say another week would have done her well as she was still very green ( but at least she got flushed for a week ) I am mostly happy with the grow, the combination of the smell and the absolutely rock-hard nugs is just insane, didn't have any bug problems and she was very easy to grow and feed . lekker stain This was an absolutely amazing experience , Thanks to everyone. I learned so much from this and hope to see you guys at the next one .

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I think it also comes down to what you are looking for in a strain. I will agree, just because a strain puts out frost does not mean it is super potent or full of terps. I grew a bagseed plant which which put out some decent frost, infact here is a picture of it. Not on the same level as in house genetics, but for bagseed it certainly surprised me and puts out more frost than a lot of strains people are still buying, even some more expensive ones. Tasted like nothing and the potency was not there. I honestly expected a lot more from it. During flower it smelt great though. With a lot of the in house genetics I currently grow, frost is there but yield takes a knock. The high is very pleasant and does change between strains but the terps are very similar, especially once smoked they taste very very similar. Some are a bit different but for the most part the ones I have grown out are quite similar indeed. Potency is good too though. Without a doubt In House Genetics chuck pollen, as do a lot of other popular breeders. As you said, it does feel like it is a game about pushing as many lines as possible and it works off hype. I feel Ethos are worse though as they do the exact same thing but their strains are really overhyped. They sell you on a beautiful description, sometimes include some nice pictures and what you get when you grow it out is far from what you expect. Not much special most of the time and Ethos might get lucky on one or two of their lines. Heck even @Totemic does a bit of pollen chucking at times to get new strains out. Breeding and not releasing F1's and waiting until they are bred further is a very time consuming process. I feel a breeder does not necessarily have a choice if they want to get some of the newer strains into their mixes in a timely manner. Is there anything wrong with pollen chucking? Well, this is perhaps another topic on it's own but it has its appeal and uses for both breeders and growers. As a grower I do not really want to see this amazing strain and not be able to buy it for a couple of months, more realistically years. As you have said, a lot of strains can seem quite similar. What has stood out from the rest is these super frosty strains. It is visual and you can clearly see and tell whether it is different and do not rely on someone else stating that the terps are amazeballs and the high lasted as long as the plant flowered for. Compound Genetics have some, In House Genetics have some, Relentless Genetics have and others as well - unfortunately trying to get some of these strains locally is near impossible and they are often limited runs (Compound Genetics particularly), however I would expect the terps to differ a bit between these super frosty strains but unfortunately do not have much experience yet due to not being able to get said strains. I think I may have asked this before in another thread, also don't misunderstand - I was not and am not taking a knock at Golden Goose or the strains you sell - far from it. Although the strains you guys sell are a mix of the old school stuff with some newer ones, is that correct? What is the appeal for you behind these strains which you stock versus just the new stuff? Stuff which is put out by some of the breeders mentioned above who have become quite popular and who have put out some strains with that "next level" frost. What is your view on some of the guys like BeLeaf who do a lot of growing and chuck pollen between two great cuts he comes across? I think maybe the industry has changed with cannabis being legal in a few places and more people growing their own and people are now easily able to grow their own and share what they have and what they are growing and what they have found. They can do so legally in a lot of places as well, combined with the internet - someone finds a keeper, it is easier to share it and document it and ship it off to others to make use of. It no longer relies on a small group of guys who grow out thousands of seeds to try find that one special plant and then trying to make the most of it. Not as many people buying seeds or wanting to buy seeds as well, so releases could take longer I feel - not if a breeder can only release a strain after say 2 to 3 years of breeding they're going to have a limited amount of strains to offer. Are most of the strains from your side not F1's?

Plant #3

New flowering update

Exodus Kush at 61 days.

Just going to dump some photos of various strains in my garden from time to time... Here is my Exodus Kush.

Doing the stacking thing, bottom totes have drainage to collect worm tea, totes on top have multiple holes for tea draining down and worms migrating up when bottom totes are full.

ICmag and seedfinder are great for if you want to go down never ending rabbit hole on info on the more popular strains from the past few decades

Nicely done bud.. Hope you kept the popcorn for some rosin or drysift..?

I read this article yesterday and was stumped at the backlash this poor oke is receiving. Life is heading back in a direction where more of us need to be doing what he is doing instead of tending to a non edible lawn.

So far so good.

damn booiii got a good friend there to let you use his fluence!!!

well, a landrace and a popular old school strain is not the same thing. let's focus on the topic at hand here, popular old school strains. I feel since that "polypolypoly hybrid smashed with a polypolypoly hybrid" thing was mentioned it kinda built a wall in this conversation that shouldn't be there, nature would've created a polypolypoly hybrid smashed with a polypolypoly hybrid anyway, just because us humans did it selectively according to what we like and what sells best (because that's what the masses like and want) does not make them a bad thing. this is how time works, it waits for no one and it changes all the time. so I guess you're right about clinging to the past so hard in a game that's ever changing is defs gona come back and bite you in the end. @Golden-Goose just because you don't like the bullshit desert names being used as marketing does also not mean the weed is shit or anything worse than the stuff back in the day. because of human intervention and selective breeding we do get to choose the names of our strains we create, sadly that's just how it works and we are wasting time and energy getting upset about it. at best it's basically the same, with the exception that GOOOOD TASTING FROSTY weed was harder to find back in the day, making it somewhat of a trophy weed, when today GOOD TASTING FROSTY weed is everywhere. to me that's a huge improvement.... just gotta allow the times to be to really appreciate it for what it is.

Beautiful pics dude, wow!

This is true, at what point is it no longer a pollen chuck? People take time to select specific cuts to breed together and then release as an F1, is this a pollen chuck? They sometimes pick a nice cut of a specific plant and then breed it with a variety of their existing strains - is this a pollen chuck? Seeing lines past F1 is not very common now a days, it feels as breeders do not mention how far down it has been bred either and I always assume it is just an F1. As you have said though, does it really matter as long as the buyer gets some awesome dank at the end and is happy with their purchase. Everyone is looking for different aspects in their bud and strains they choose. Variety is always nice as well.

Man this is the thing. What is a pollen chuck...? You could say I pollen chuck every year. Just because I spend my time selecting my males out of the lot I grow, does that mean it's not a pollen chuck? It's experimental for me, and I create plenty of new F1s every year, trying at best to improve the next generation in one way or another depending on the traits I'd like to slam together. Sometimes it works out well. Sometimes it doesn't. But I also work my lines further, which is not the case with many new aspiring breeders. Im also growing out all the cuts you guys are from Inhouse, ethos, and a few others, crossing in some of my other lines to add a bit of variation in my populations to pheno hunt. The industry is taking shape fast, and with the sheer variety of strains out there, be it a landrace, a hybrid, or a polyhybrid, at F1 or at F4, does it really matter if the result is a successful harvest of some dank?

ODB aka Cheesy Rider is live! I have an exceptional cut of Exodus Kush, and if this is anything like that, it is going to be fire!

In my case is easy.. I just want to play and try to create a Autoflower out of them. Pure fun, I don't have the space to serious develop and wash genes. Never turned a Photo into a Auto, pure curiosity and a stable Landrace should be rather simple to turn, not that I expect anything close to a high yielder, just very intense Sativa genetics in Auto form (97% Sativa, 3% Ruderalis, that area). And if the result is some what useable, use it to trade with Breeders in the US. I personal enjoy very much the new strains and run those in my mother tent.. the Super Skunk is perhaps the oldest... "name" ^^ Not really tasting like the Super Skunk I know from 30 years ago in Amsterdam. But tasty, so, a keeper. Might rename it ^^ we started to give weed our own idea of names, when it is just nothing like the original. Last two I gave is "Fruit Bowl" and "Lithium" (two Pineapple Express hehehe) Not that the name survives.. mothers i dumped on the compost heap Both very potent but zero Pineapple taste.. why keep that? What I really hate on a weed.. when it smells unbelievably good and tastes like cold socks, just nothing like the smell of the plant. I smoke em, not just smell em ^^

Yeah man, couldn't agree more. Cannabis has evolved gloriously in the last 30 odd years, and current expressions far outperform those old landraces. Besides all the pressure from prohibition, populations of landrace cannabis will have gone through many many generations of genetic drift that will have completely changed them.

Howzit man...Mcman! Previous grows i used 20L fabric pots which provided me with just shy of 6ft plants. This time round i got a Maxigrow 100L from Organics Matter and it is lekker sizey! Made my own supersoil from Subcool's Super Soil recipe inspired and added some extras. It's been cooking under a tarp for 2 months with bi-weekly tilling and put in their containers today with some cover crop and Alfalfa mulch. Will germinate seeds soon and planning on transplanting around October. The grow bed took about 200L soil. The plan is to selectively grow Durban Poison(GSR) and a White Afghan Skunk, gifted to me by @John Stonedwell. Maybe a RQS Critical will also get a spot.

Getting very close to harvest , ? I have made the decision to go with the more Indica looking strain,she has lekker size and bud appeal

So we're about 8 days since I planted the seeds in the peat pellets. So far 3/4 have been plated in their pots, and one seed has yet come out of it's shell. As for the ones that have been potted, the one Dinamed seedling that sprouted first is looking great, and the other two not as great but hopefully nothing to worry about. The two Dinamed seedlings were potted 3 days ago, and the Cheese 2 days ago. Here are some photos of the 3 of them.

T1 and T2 still have some time to go. Trichomes still clear.

Alright... The ladies are still going on.... Getting fuller and heavier by the day!

Update: Both Dinamed Kush seedlings have been planted in their forever homes. Still waiting for the Cheese seeds to breach before I pot them. Humble beginnings

Hi I'm Brendon Carlton from Hemperor Corporation. Here to meet like minded people in the industry.

Purple Envy at 59 days

I've been lurking around the corners of this group for most of the day like some crazy uncle at a kiddies birthday party. @CreX lead me here after I asked him about grow diaries. This, after a week and a half of paranoid questions and lengthy discussions on growing Married-Iguana's (I may have the spelling wrong). When he mentioned he was a moderator of the site I thought I had fallen victim to yet another proudly South African Marketing gimmick. I have just started my first grow, got my entire setup from a friend who's immigrating, the shit I've smoked out of this tent gives me hope, my lack of green thumbs and knowledge of photosynthesis leads me here. A group of black belts in the art of growing the things I smoke, in tents, under expensive lights. *Your plants look amazing, guys* The name is Martin, and it's a pleasure to be here. I look forward to the "Haha" reactions and the "Don't do that again"comments. Cheers.

Molasses is the backbone of all organic grows. It is food for the soil and if you are growing organicly it's a must. If you chemicals it's effects are very debatable. Cheers Reaf