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Morning growmies. So 133 days from seed and week 10 ish of flower the girls got chopped. Not feeding is evident in the size of the buds but I am happy with my results. Nr 3 definitely had the best buds of the three. Size of the pot good watering regime the correct light and good airflow is some of the lessons I learned from this grow off.. Sulpher and serenade is boss and a must for all indoor growers. This then the last post on this thread.. Manny thanx to all the experienced growers for guidance, @420SA for the opportunity and @Totemic for the beans.. I opted for a semmi wet trim due to my WPM issue. Must say that the Seranade mostly saved the day. Thank you @Prom.. Your a legend. Good luck to all the participants.. This was eppic and looking forward to the next one..

and that is all the lower buds(C grade) just going to make some hash from that

Morning folks. So it's been a while and I thought we can close this diary with some bud shots. A couple of things went wrong with this grow, one major of which was too little defoliation. This resulted in a lot of underdeveloped bud under the canopy that stole some energy and resulted in smaller mains than what I would have liked. But so we learn. I haven't done a smoke test on any of the ladies, I want to go for an 8 week cure before I start to light it up. Most of the bud went into the jar on the 22nd and 23rd of August so will start toking up in October. I decided to relegate all under developed bud and popcorn to the trim bin as I hate trimming overall and small larfy bud just kills my mood and willingness to enjoy the trim.. so with close to 100g's of popcorn tossed the final yield for buds in the jar ended up at 199g's I am super excited about my next run, got 4 Old School Genetics strains from @Golden-Goose, 2 strains from Motherland genetics as well as 2 exceptional InHouse cuts from my man @PsyCLown. I hope to remedy all my mistakes with this past grow on the next run. Thanx for all the constructive input from fellow forum members, you really helped a lot. So here we go.. Bubblegum GSC Palomino Tortoni #1 Tortoni #2 Twisted Helix Next run

Good day fam! So I'm back up and growing again! This time it's 4 x Loud Cake (seed) and 1 x Dirty Kush Breath (Clone) They all started in some freedom farms starter and then moved into CannaPro and started feeding Mega Solutions. They struggled a bit for the 1st 2 weeks while I was getting conditions in order, they don't like anything under 18 degrees but since Temps are more stable they are growing nicely. I've topped them already and they responding well. There's one loud cake that's standing out with growth and structure but excited to see how they turn out. They currently under 2 x 120w Modugrow I'll turn on the 240w QB in 2 weeks and then add another 90w later. I'm hoping to flip the 1st week of October

Me? One of the big boys... Heavens no. I'm a hobby breeder man, but my efforts have created a table that made 7 figures over the last year down my distribution line with 45000 seeds distributed. So does this make me part of this commercial machine? Does this make my efforts financially driven? Does this mean I have changed the way I approach my breeding over the last decade? I couldn't tell you how any of those real big guys run their breeding programs, nor their primary motivation. My primary motivation has always been driven by a deep relationship with the plant, and sharing that. You may see totemic as just one of the brands, and while I have chosen a brand to engage the public, totemic is still rooted in the activism to free the plant. But anyway, I do get where you are coming from, no offense taken at all

The tents doing ok, I believe every single pistil is pollinated and lots of seeds are forming on every female. Trimming these autos 3 times and forcing them to stay small looks like its going to pay off. At least with my size constraints and what I wanted to achieve. Im already working and doing test prints for the new crosses. Counting chickens before they hatch lol

So I was browsing the Internet last season, more or less end of season, and in the process startes browsing local seedbanks to see whats out there. So I noticed a "free seeds" section and of course I checked it out and saw Chocolate Gelato on test a testers needed base, i guess and did a fake checkout to see what I needed to buy to get this deal. I did not complete the checkout cause I just figured lets leave it cause I don't have cash now anyhow. Couple days later I received an envelope with feminized seeds, some rolling papers ans a sticker. All they asked was to do a test grow here. So here we go.... @Cannabist, @Totemic I received 5 x seeds and planted 3 for this season. 2 popped and is alive. The 3rd one did not make it sue to human error. I'm not sure what the Sativa/Indica ratio is and the genetics either and I am hoping for Totemic for that answer and maybe a few tips.. They have been watered and fed with Humigro yesterday morning and they are responding well to it. Soon they should go to their bigger pots homes in the garden..

Damn man... I'm so involved in this thread I can't get any work done. Guys think about this for a second.... strains that not only survived, but achieved legendary status during the worst years of prohibition did so on merit alone. Yes, there was hype around those strains too but there was no big budget driving marketing campaigns to achieve this. For the guys willing to invest a little time into reading some old threads. Head on over to ICmag and read some of the old threads around OG Kush, Sour Diesel and Chemdog. It makes for very interesting reading. Am I allowed to punt another forum? I'm not suggesting anyone defect. LOL! There is a thread posted by Good ol dog. Read that from start to finish and you might start to get an idea of why Chemdog is the legend that it is.

I feel this has lead to an interesting topic with some nice views and opinions. I do feel there are some traits which are not ideal when it comes to some of the popular, bigger name breeders out there. Perhaps even some of the smaller breeders. The breeders aren't necessarily able to cover costs themselves and for most it is a business, so at least one of the goals is to make money and profit. Understandably so. Without the old there wouldn't be any of the new. Without people breeding in the manner they feel works best for them, we may not have ended up with some of the strains we have today. I am of the opinion that there is no breeder out there who only has fire strains, at least according to my preferences, however a strain I dislike may be cherished by another grower. Variety is important in this regard. I have yet to come across a strain which ticks every single box I want, there has always been a compromise of something and it may continue that way until cannabis starts being genetically modified and released to growers. Whether this will happen, who knows, I feel it is likely considering the way things have gone with other crops people grow in large amounts. It is likely easier and quicker to modify something in the lab then to try and breed selectively for particular traits. This is another tangent though. @Golden-Goose Although these big brands may be focusing more on marketing than breeding, they still need to at least try put out some fire stuff - especially if their pricing is on the higher end. No matter how good the branding and marketing is, if their strains are consistently shit then people will eventually learn and stop buying from them. It does feel as if there has a meta with cannabis. Certain strains or breeders getting hype for various reasons and one I think we can all attest to is Slurricane by In House Genetics. A lot of people know of Slurricane, whether it is really slurricane they end up growing or smoking who knows but is has become a very popular name. The same applies to some other strain names, white widow, skunk, chemdog, OG Kush, GG #4 etc. It happens quite a bit with some of the older strains actually, at least I feel this is the case. Which kinda takes me back to one of the points which lead to this conversation - people using the popularity behind these names to sell their products. ie. cheaper seedbanks making their own version of chemdog or white widow for example and selling the seeds for a lot less and making it more accessible to the masses compared to the original breeder of these strains. Heck, even Purple Punch - a quick google search will bring up multiple "breeders" with this strain. Whatever you want to call it, I feel what these breeders are doing by working off the popularity of the name and just trying to get a piece of the pie is wrong. I have no issue with people using popular or good strains, but at least use good cuts of these strains when breeding and put some effort into it. Like you get Purple Punch: and then you get Purple Punch: Also how many cuts are available or how accessible are some of the true, proper old school strains? Perhaps @Golden-Goose would have a better idea than I do. I suspect some of those cuts are likely gone or kept by a very select few people who likely do not share it. The same goes for some landraces, such as Durban Poison. A question for me still remains, for some of these popular old school cuts - have they continuously been bred and kept evolving and improving with the times? Something like White Widow, Chemdog or GG4 ? Are they available in their original form still and how does that actually compare to some of these newer strains? I feel a lot of these breeders who try and copy these older strains may have fucked the original breeder over as a lot of that the cheaper stuff grown which claim to be the same strain is mighty disappointing and this in turn can lead to people thinking those are shit strains in general and it was all hype. I myself am perhaps in this boat. What blows my mind is, if stuff like this was available in the 90's Why have people still been growing jut like this: 30 years later and the above is still common amongst growers. As far as I am concerned, weed like this is below average.

Thanks man [emoji16], My go to is dry ice and bubble bag very easy and high yields Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Thank you for looking, These are the latest perpetual grow pictures, various weeks.

Week 16 Update / Flower Week 10 I've changed my mind on who to bring forward. The tall, strong and beautiful T2 has grown on me. He flowers are so colorful and resinous, she has really astounded me. Also realised I don't have a clone of her for some reason so I monstercropped one of the budlets on the the lower growth, really hope I can get something rooted of this baby I'm hoping to give these girls the axe the weekend, trichomes will tell closer to the time though. They could easily go a lot longer but I don't enjoy the effect of a belated harvest even though that's when they pack on the pounds. With bringing T2 to the sacrificial judgment altar I went ahead and started trimming the fans off T1 and T3 getting them harvest ready and letting them buds soak up as many rays as they can until D-Day.. Caution: barrage of photos below: Group photo: T1 (back right): T2 (back left): Getting there but still needs time T3 - front left Clear trichs still prevalent

A little off topic, but so on topic. The artist who designed this image is a cannabis supporter and you will see alot of his images on stickers and shirts.

Keen to see how the Loud Cakes turn out

Yum Yum!

Yes sir. Some BHO dabaliciousness courtesy of Mr @The Grass Baas He is still experimenting on some methods to get us the purest product we can get

Nah bud... I don't see Totemic as just another brand. You may be quite successful, but my rant is specifically aimed at mega international brands. Especially Cookies. What Berner has done is great business. I just can't fathom how strains that the cookie cutter machine stamps out on a regular basis can compare to some of the legends of the past. This is actually a conversation that should be had in person. Too much talking past each other to make our individual points. No hard feelings my man.

A link to the article for those who have not read it: https://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/gauteng/i-am-not-afraid-says-cabbage-man-as-he-prepares-to-take-veg-garden-fight-to-court-fe8e5c1f-b1a1-43a8-8a28-34c88f517f27 He is trying to do a good thing and is taking the initiative and putting in the effort, yet at the same time I can understand that is everyone is allowed to do this - we would not have any sidewalks and it could quite easily lead to other issues. As an example, rats could come and start taking over the suburbs due to this food which is easily and readily available to them. People can no longer run, job, walk or cycle as easily or safely. A common ground needs to be found I feel, I like the idea of having designated space where food can be grown for those in need. Unfortunately managing this becomes an issue as we get those who are greedy or do not care and will ruin it for everyone. Perhaps it would work where an honesty system works. If there is a cannabis plant in public and it gets to flower and it is easily accessible. I am certain it will be harvested by someone pre-maturely in fear of someone else taking it down first and getting it before they could. Sort of like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

@mantis this was an epic grow to follow man, great stuff!! you gona make some bubble hash or how will you be extracting?

So the time has come ... chop-chop I would say another week would have done her well as she was still very green ( but at least she got flushed for a week ) I am mostly happy with the grow, the combination of the smell and the absolutely rock-hard nugs is just insane, didn't have any bug problems and she was very easy to grow and feed . lekker stain This was an absolutely amazing experience , Thanks to everyone. I learned so much from this and hope to see you guys at the next one .

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I think it also comes down to what you are looking for in a strain. I will agree, just because a strain puts out frost does not mean it is super potent or full of terps. I grew a bagseed plant which which put out some decent frost, infact here is a picture of it. Not on the same level as in house genetics, but for bagseed it certainly surprised me and puts out more frost than a lot of strains people are still buying, even some more expensive ones. Tasted like nothing and the potency was not there. I honestly expected a lot more from it. During flower it smelt great though. With a lot of the in house genetics I currently grow, frost is there but yield takes a knock. The high is very pleasant and does change between strains but the terps are very similar, especially once smoked they taste very very similar. Some are a bit different but for the most part the ones I have grown out are quite similar indeed. Potency is good too though. Without a doubt In House Genetics chuck pollen, as do a lot of other popular breeders. As you said, it does feel like it is a game about pushing as many lines as possible and it works off hype. I feel Ethos are worse though as they do the exact same thing but their strains are really overhyped. They sell you on a beautiful description, sometimes include some nice pictures and what you get when you grow it out is far from what you expect. Not much special most of the time and Ethos might get lucky on one or two of their lines. Heck even @Totemic does a bit of pollen chucking at times to get new strains out. Breeding and not releasing F1's and waiting until they are bred further is a very time consuming process. I feel a breeder does not necessarily have a choice if they want to get some of the newer strains into their mixes in a timely manner. Is there anything wrong with pollen chucking? Well, this is perhaps another topic on it's own but it has its appeal and uses for both breeders and growers. As a grower I do not really want to see this amazing strain and not be able to buy it for a couple of months, more realistically years. As you have said, a lot of strains can seem quite similar. What has stood out from the rest is these super frosty strains. It is visual and you can clearly see and tell whether it is different and do not rely on someone else stating that the terps are amazeballs and the high lasted as long as the plant flowered for. Compound Genetics have some, In House Genetics have some, Relentless Genetics have and others as well - unfortunately trying to get some of these strains locally is near impossible and they are often limited runs (Compound Genetics particularly), however I would expect the terps to differ a bit between these super frosty strains but unfortunately do not have much experience yet due to not being able to get said strains. I think I may have asked this before in another thread, also don't misunderstand - I was not and am not taking a knock at Golden Goose or the strains you sell - far from it. Although the strains you guys sell are a mix of the old school stuff with some newer ones, is that correct? What is the appeal for you behind these strains which you stock versus just the new stuff? Stuff which is put out by some of the breeders mentioned above who have become quite popular and who have put out some strains with that "next level" frost. What is your view on some of the guys like BeLeaf who do a lot of growing and chuck pollen between two great cuts he comes across? I think maybe the industry has changed with cannabis being legal in a few places and more people growing their own and people are now easily able to grow their own and share what they have and what they are growing and what they have found. They can do so legally in a lot of places as well, combined with the internet - someone finds a keeper, it is easier to share it and document it and ship it off to others to make use of. It no longer relies on a small group of guys who grow out thousands of seeds to try find that one special plant and then trying to make the most of it. Not as many people buying seeds or wanting to buy seeds as well, so releases could take longer I feel - not if a breeder can only release a strain after say 2 to 3 years of breeding they're going to have a limited amount of strains to offer. Are most of the strains from your side not F1's?

Plant #3

New flowering update

Exodus Kush at 61 days.

Howzit, new to indoor.starting fresh and slowly building a setup

Guys, just dont do this, talk respectfully and grow big. Check out growersnetwork.org to. Lots of top breeders on there, even some that have access to the original Mel Frank beans, skunk #1.

Haha, I grew Auto Daquari Lime too. Was alright, could have been more potent though. Was nothing to write home about as far as I am concerned. Bag appeal was minimal though. Jut is perhaps too strong of a word, it could be worse and look like this... Even then I have seen worse weed. There is more to weed than just the way it looks, it does however play a role. I understand and agree that personal preference comes into play, part of why there is variety... But it feels as if weed from that other picture has been extremely difficult to come across... Why is this the case? Only recently have we started to gain access to more strains like this? Is it due to the laws? Have people been keeping it to themselves and smaller groups / circles? Have breeders been lazy and some of the larger ones not bothered to put time and effort in to get such strains?

Nicely done bud.. Hope you kept the popcorn for some rosin or drysift..?

Job well done

Well done man!

Yeah very impressed thus far. 100% germination rate on all the OSG seeds and in some packs I even got 6 seeds instead of 5 which is an awesome bonus. Will post a diary tracking their progress in the near future. Running the White Afghan Skunk, OSG Cheese, White Bubblegum and Super Silver Haze 98

Yeah, I've been slacking in this thread. I often update my IG page. I must do the same here.

damn booiii got a good friend there to let you use his fluence!!!

I promised a narrative to go with the pictures above... so here is it. Gear Tent: Mammoth 120 pro (120x120) Light: 630w LED (space was too small for my Gavita so I am using someones Fluence Vipr) Genetics (for now) 4 Platinum Garlic (1 in an organic mix) 1 Blue Cheese (organic) (All from seed) System I have 3 platinum garlic under a scrog screen, fed from a 30 litre Rez. The plants are in dutch pots. I have never used them before but I built something similar for my first hydro grow. I used basic garden irrigation for drainage and for the top feed. There is a small Rez at the bottom of the pot for the plant to wick nutrient solution from, so I dropped some old air curtains I had in there (which seems to be working well). I flood the system for about 15minutes when the lights come on, then do another 6 spaced 10 minute feeds while the lights are on. And finally 1 more feed midway through lights off. Given that there is a Rez at the bottom of the pot, this might be excessive, and makes the temperature issues more of a hassle...so might adjust for now. Feeding TA 3 part and folia feeding nurtiflex vulvic Anticipated problems The carbon filter I have is done for, so I took it off. Although I can change the carbon I prefer just buying a new one. I will do this at the start of the month, but it is going to create temperature issues when I attach it. The light I am using - although LED - still puts out a lot of heat for the space, so its better to resolve this while still in veg. The Rez is small and its heating up. This means that I need a chiller. The discipline of regular topoff and ice packs has been working because I have been at my desk with the Rez next to me, but it's getting old quickly. This is probably my next purchase. Unanticipated problems One of the platinum garlic plants is showing rust spots on the middle leaves. Given the location and the fact that it does not rub off I inclined to think its a Magnesium deficiency rather than fungal. Last week I also noticed that my PH meter was off, so I was probably running the solution a bit too acidic. I have therefore been when running at a ph of 6.2/6.3 to see if that helps and did a folia feed with some Cal/Mag. When lights went out I also gave some GH bio-protect.

Beautiful pics dude, wow!

@DankFiend What about looking for a used one on an aquarium forum? There is also one for sale on this forum: I reckon pull the trigger and get the proper equipment and be done with it!

I agree. The climate has been changing, CO2 levels would be higher now which is better for the plants. Breeding has lead to strains which put out higher THC and more frost as well. What is the appeal behind these old school strains? I know peeps like @Golden-Goose focus on a lot of the old school strains, perhaps with a bit of a modern twist. As you said, to me it feels like a marketing thing as companies have gone and taken the status behind some popular strains and ended up with their own version of said strain, which when grown out from their seeds is nothing like the original might I add, and sell it in hopes that people will buy it based on the name and the fact that it is easily available and cheap. I feel a lot of the dutch seed guys have done this. It might be nostalgia as well if there is someone from that era who use to smoke. Think that the weed was better - perhaps more potent or the terps were better or whatever the case may be. Often this is not the case though, it is a known fact that us humans are not good at remember detail accurately over a long period of time and what we recall as memories from our childhood for example can end up being quite different to what reality was as the years go on. With weed and substances, there is also the novelty as well as set and setting which need to be taken into consideration. The first few times you smoked weed, the effects may have been very different and I know for a fact this has happened to me. I used to get the giggles a lot and now I almost never get them when smoking. I do not feel this is the weed I am smoking now, but more the fact that the novelty has worn off. You get a fast car, it is awesome but over time you get use to the speed and it becomes normal. Similar concept. You may also associate smoking with some fun activities you did when you were younger, that may affect the way you recall the weed being. Tolerance I feel can also play a role. I recently took a break from smoking for the month of August, not that I felt I had built up a big tolerance but smoking after the break, it hits a lot harder again. Go from smoking and building up a tolerance on shitty outdoor, to smoking some good indoor and you notice the difference! Landraces can be fun to play with I guess, the old school strains I can understand from a collection point of view but in terms of them being better. I do not feel that is the case and need to disagree with it. Life goes on, things improve with time and weed has improved in multiple aspects over the past 3o+ years.

Yeah man, couldn't agree more. Cannabis has evolved gloriously in the last 30 odd years, and current expressions far outperform those old landraces. Besides all the pressure from prohibition, populations of landrace cannabis will have gone through many many generations of genetic drift that will have completely changed them.

Howzit man...Mcman! Previous grows i used 20L fabric pots which provided me with just shy of 6ft plants. This time round i got a Maxigrow 100L from Organics Matter and it is lekker sizey! Made my own supersoil from Subcool's Super Soil recipe inspired and added some extras. It's been cooking under a tarp for 2 months with bi-weekly tilling and put in their containers today with some cover crop and Alfalfa mulch. Will germinate seeds soon and planning on transplanting around October. The grow bed took about 200L soil. The plan is to selectively grow Durban Poison(GSR) and a White Afghan Skunk, gifted to me by @John Stonedwell. Maybe a RQS Critical will also get a spot.

Plant #2

Update time. The three clones have taken beautifully to the seed tray and the dnd forest inspiration scene is coming together. The mother got replanted with fresh soil and lifted a couple of centimeters Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Wow, I rarely see plants so optimised to make use of every last drop of light. Can't wait to see how this turns out.

Will narrate all this when I have some time.

Today is Flower Day 60 These pics were taken on Flower Day 57 (Friday 27 Aug) but will try my best to post pics from today later Below is Tortoni #2 and #3. I'm not gonna bother with #1 as she's a bit of runt and a bit nasty compared to these 2. I'd say #2 is just about finished. She has started to foxtail slightly but not bad at all. I'll be checking her trichs tonight #2 #3

Greetings fellow canna lovers Its taken a while a grower bud of mine suggested I join this forum as I explore the world of weed edibles. I've had a fantastic journey so far. I'm looking forward to meeting everyone. Regards ChefG 420

Blumat's in and scrog on , tugging for another 2-3 weeks at most and then flip. Left the old soil in and topped up 18L with Elemental Blend mixed with Coco/Spagnum Peat Moss. First feeding with FF Micro and Probiotics , week later fed Humic & Fulvic Acid . Sent from my Hisense Infinity H50 using Tapatalk

Purple Envy at 59 days

Hi, I've been looming around a few days and I would like to introduce myself, hopefully start growing with all of you one of these days. This forum is super informative. I am saving up for my first QB LED and a Decent Tent. Hopefully the hobby will grow from there. And I wil definitely be posting a lot of pictures. For now I have nothing to share, only my thanks to all of you who truly want to help the community grow some lekka dank bud. Sent from my POT-LX1AF using Tapatalk