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So got some older clones into my system, got sick of waiting just for the pancake stompers to root so decided to use these as a test run

3 days before the spring equinox it seems like a good time to get my season started. I've gone right back in the archives here and have 14 F2 CNL, and 28 F3 CNL in for this mini hunt.

And for the people interested, the smoke report after 2 weeks on 62%. Bud smells more earthy with a sweet hint of Tumeric. Shredded the sweet smell intensivies quite a bit. I tried to define it a bit more and went sniffing on the spice rack, couldnt find something matching, even the hint of Tumeric is covered more by a smell of plastic foil you had candy wrapped in. Rolled in my usual way, 5 parts weed, 1 part cigarette First toke is as smooth as it should be was on flush. You have to focus and look very hard to find the little sweetness. Mostly a earth smoke, reminded me of the Bruce Banner Autos. The weed might need way longer curing. I test it in a few weeks again. I stick to my point that i dont judge a strain after 2 beans... and unlucky, both had the same pheno swing. Would be a bit like a foreigner says South Africa sucks and just entered customs. The plants i had reacted rather unimpressed to HST, that counts for strong genetics. On the other hand they didnt show resistance to powdery mildew, but also no special weakness to it either. Rather uncomplicated grow run. And reaching close to 15% THC on a first run of a strain, tells right away, there is some UMPF in the genetics Will try a bigger batch of Tortoni first quarter 22. The results i saw from other competitors, wants me to take a closer look Was fun, Thank You very much to all organizers, judges, prize donors, competitors and the breeder of the beans You all rock and hope you have a sexy weekend. This is THE END

Thanks man [emoji16], My go to is dry ice and bubble bag very easy and high yields Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

So been itching for an upgrade, as always. The space is coming together as some of you might know. This weekend I’m heading into the automation game. After a lot of research and being a iOS developer and Apple guy, I settled on the Aqara range for now. Got a camera+hub for R1300, temperature/humidity sensor for R350 amd switches for just over 400 each. The first 10 mins went smooth. Pairs the camera and sensor and got this with no fuss. Currently playing with Siri Shortcuts to get a historical graph. Got the sensors output to a file and into Charty, giving me this.

Good day fam! So I'm back up and growing again! This time it's 4 x Loud Cake (seed) and 1 x Dirty Kush Breath (Clone) They all started in some freedom farms starter and then moved into CannaPro and started feeding Mega Solutions. They struggled a bit for the 1st 2 weeks while I was getting conditions in order, they don't like anything under 18 degrees but since Temps are more stable they are growing nicely. I've topped them already and they responding well. There's one loud cake that's standing out with growth and structure but excited to see how they turn out. They currently under 2 x 120w Modugrow I'll turn on the 240w QB in 2 weeks and then add another 90w later. I'm hoping to flip the 1st week of October

I moved these girls outside the last 12 days , looks like the enjoyed it. Today is day 75 from 12/12. Chopday [emoji91] Will post after trim later or tomorrow. First two pics is the chosen girl. Sent from my Hisense Infinity H50 using Tapatalk

Update pic of the young ones. Soon they will go into bigger pots for sexing. Im pretty sure the Pineapple Chunk will give mostly female, I hope. Really hoping for Bruce Banner fems. Havent had a single female from the whole batch. Just for record, the Chocolate Gelato has their own thread due to them being testers for cannabist. So if you are interested in maybe getting that strain in the future, pop in there and check it out. Here is some info I have on those seedlings I do have ready for the season. These are my own personal description of what I experienced : PINEAPPLE CHUNK : Originally got Pineapple Chunk from Paradise Seeds and one pollinated due to a little stress, I guess. The result so far has been pretty good. The buds is hard, compact and trichome covered. After 2 weeks of curing it does smell like pineapple and after grinding it up as well. It gets me pretty goofed after 2 or 3 pipes and taste decent, smooth and citrussy... Blue Kush Berry: Regular Seeds was purchased from Sannies Seeds more than 5 years ago.Might be 8. Got a male and female and tried my hand at breeding. They were bred under cfl's and the plants was small due to stealth. The seeds were very small and about half the size of regular seeds. Cant remember the profile but stay tuned to find out. Girl Scout Cookies x Bruce Banner#3: GSC - BC Bud BB#3 - Dark Horse Genetics Was given seeds by another forum friend/hobbiest grower/plant guru to test and holy shit, I was blown away. Frosty, hard and sticky Sativa dominant lady. Buds was easy to trim seeing that had a golfball type bud and the bud to leaf ratio was little. Easy to trim and a pleasure to smoke. Gets me through a day of pain. Takes away a lot of tension and gets me lekker stoned. A great night time smoke after a heavy and kak day... Bruce Banner #3 Dark Horse Genetics In hopes of getting a female from this one. Haven't grown it out yet but hoping to this year... Royal Banner: Royal Gorilla - RQS BB - Dark Horse Genetics One of my favorite strains to date. Smells sweet with deep aroma. Upon exhaling I get a pleasant cheese aftertaste. Even though all my strains get me high, this one just knocks me from the 1st inhale and when I keep the hash for last,..... Phew . Slurricane Cheese : Was given as a present from a friend next door. Let try and see what happens 1st time growing this one. Also not sure if its male or female So that's it for now. Have a great Saturday and enjoy the rest of this weekend

These girls are going on. 3 more indica dominant, and 3 more on the sativa side Got some leaf bud action on the one pheno

My very first thread on here was called New Bee.. I hunted Swazi bag seed as my first propper outdoor grow.. From a 120 seeds I think 112 popped. I ended up with 17 plants in the end. 4 or 5 Was stolen 6 or 7 hermied and the rest ended up in smoke.. With all the knowledge I gained in the 2 years since then on this forum, I would love to do a propper Swazi hunt again.. Below some pics of the girls. Out of this batch of seeds I gifted @Prom some for his Auto experiment.. The best plants of the run was stolen and one was flattened and hermied after I tried closing the area off.. Only one really gave me the old school Swazi vibe I can remember of the mid 90s.. The rest was a bit disappointing to say the least..

Slurricane

hahahah true true, always good to fiddle around to find out some new stuff if that's where your passion drives you, how they always say "do it for science!" I respect that I will go extraordinary lengths for the things I am passionate about, so much so that what I am doing sometimes might not make sense to others.

I am no breeder very far from that title... i dont even want to get involved. I just grow and smoke weed that is a bit my passion... Just want to turn them into autos. I think i can do it, but time frame and if i get a final product, totally open... never did that, so why not? I like to try new things. Have another additive on test too and see if it is as good as people told me.

Awesome man. If you don't have any of the tortoni regs, let me know. The regs do perform better, and have a fuller, sweeter expression, with more frost, and yield. Fems are great, but they also aren't. There is just something a male adds that a reversed female just can't give.

that picture chrisjay posted is crazy, aswell as few pictures from the first page of the thread, gotta be some old school or rather less tampered-with stuff! @Prom you guys hunted some of the swazi and malawi stuff yet? would be interesting to see what they do and if they worth keeping around? let's put the end product aside, for a backyard breeder, how likely are you to find desirable traits to work with in that batch of seeds versus the same size batch of F4 regulars of the modern polypolypoly stuff? my inexperienced mind would just tell me that a breeder has to go way deeper into the "untampered-with" stuff to find worthy traits than you would with the modern stuff. and that speaks volumes to the whole topic of how todays strains are the strains of the day, because of human interverntion and selective breeding. not the other way around. there are reasons why history is important, for sure, that's why we should know about these old school strains, they have their rightful place in all our hearts just as they did in the 70's to the people who made it big in the industry at the time, the very reason is because they where selected by the masses back when all the crosses where still just landrace crosses. I am not saying finding those old school stuff is impossible, it actually is possible just more likely for the big time growers and not the average joe, because a strain doesn't gain unicorn status by simply being available online, it also only makes sense to me if you reeeally know what you looking for and you're able to go deeeeep into the genetic pool, because to the untrained you'll find something pure and grow it out and be thoroughly displeased by its looks, smell and growth and everything, without knowing what they really looking at. even the trained and extra seasoned will find more undesirable traits than desirable ones, hence the reason why you should be able to go deeep in the gene pool.

Those chocolate Gelato fems are pretty balanced, but still pulls more to indica side. They tend to be compact and bushy, and do not require very heavy feeding.

I mean, I saw all the talk as respectful except the part where someone had to apologise for coming across hostile instead of pressing backspace a couple times and try rewriting what they said and this after they claim to not even have read the full thread, AND the same person goes on to call others out on letting their feelings in the way. honestly I don't even see a point in talking to people like that anyway so what I am saying is not aimed at anyone specific, but if someone feels they fall under the mentioned catagories and these things apply to you, then so be it. what you highlighted there is a good question with an easy answer.... mr. @Golden-Goose are you trying to tell me that a brand like cookies became so big by random selection? or some sort of "elite man algorithm" that chooses people based on how cool they are? or based on anything other than the quality of weed they put forth?????? man..... you really going to be doing this to yourself? a brand like cookies got as big as they are simply because the masses chose them. now I am not saying they NEVER did random selection to find some new stuff, but I am as sure as I am that the sun will rise in the morning that a brand like cookies did NOT get as big as they are by luck or by putting out shit products. it's super simple... they listened to what the people want and most important of all, they didn't let their feelings get in the way

I agree that even locally where I stay I've seen improvement in local stuff being sold over the past few years, mostly because people who never had access to foreign genetics are now able to hop online and get strains that they've wanted to grow forever from all these famous breeders. But I mean there are so many aspects to it, people in the community being so open about it now and people trying to get a foot into the door etc ... Edit: when I say locally I mean from people that grow and sell their own weed, not stuff brought in from other provinces

Haha, I grew Auto Daquari Lime too. Was alright, could have been more potent though. Was nothing to write home about as far as I am concerned. Bag appeal was minimal though. Jut is perhaps too strong of a word, it could be worse and look like this... Even then I have seen worse weed. There is more to weed than just the way it looks, it does however play a role. I understand and agree that personal preference comes into play, part of why there is variety... But it feels as if weed from that other picture has been extremely difficult to come across... Why is this the case? Only recently have we started to gain access to more strains like this? Is it due to the laws? Have people been keeping it to themselves and smaller groups / circles? Have breeders been lazy and some of the larger ones not bothered to put time and effort in to get such strains?

Nah bud... I don't see Totemic as just another brand. You may be quite successful, but my rant is specifically aimed at mega international brands. Especially Cookies. What Berner has done is great business. I just can't fathom how strains that the cookie cutter machine stamps out on a regular basis can compare to some of the legends of the past. This is actually a conversation that should be had in person. Too much talking past each other to make our individual points. No hard feelings my man.

Me? One of the big boys... Heavens no. I'm a hobby breeder man, but my efforts have created a table that made 7 figures over the last year down my distribution line with 45000 seeds distributed. So does this make me part of this commercial machine? Does this make my efforts financially driven? Does this mean I have changed the way I approach my breeding over the last decade? I couldn't tell you how any of those real big guys run their breeding programs, nor their primary motivation. My primary motivation has always been driven by a deep relationship with the plant, and sharing that. You may see totemic as just one of the brands, and while I have chosen a brand to engage the public, totemic is still rooted in the activism to free the plant. But anyway, I do get where you are coming from, no offense taken at all

As a breeder, taking a stud and crossing it into x, y, z different cookies lines, or tangie lines or whatever lines are in focus at that time, I'm testing that male to see with which of those related lines are going to pair up the best with that male. Assuming that this means a breeder is not selecting, is naive. This is the very art of selecting. Not all those lines may be worked further, maybe only one, but there is no reason why the other lines can't or shouldn't be shared. A solid, realistic example is what I did last year with my chocolate Gelato line, by crossing it into 4 other lines. They all came out great, but the Slurricane cut that made the Tortoni line, was the best match of that run. Why, because after working with the cut for over a year, I've noticed that the terpene profile is easily manipulated, and the gelato profile has dominated as I wanted, while most of the great slurri traits have remained. Tortoni is the line I'm working further. The same holds true for the C99 I crossed into the same slurri cut... The terpene profile is exactly what I've wanted, on a Slurricane body. I've given the plant another chance at evolving. So what have I actually done... Thats breeding man.

So I was browsing the Internet last season, more or less end of season, and in the process startes browsing local seedbanks to see whats out there. So I noticed a "free seeds" section and of course I checked it out and saw Chocolate Gelato on test a testers needed base, i guess and did a fake checkout to see what I needed to buy to get this deal. I did not complete the checkout cause I just figured lets leave it cause I don't have cash now anyhow. Couple days later I received an envelope with feminized seeds, some rolling papers ans a sticker. All they asked was to do a test grow here. So here we go.... @Cannabist, @Totemic I received 5 x seeds and planted 3 for this season. 2 popped and is alive. The 3rd one did not make it sue to human error. I'm not sure what the Sativa/Indica ratio is and the genetics either and I am hoping for Totemic for that answer and maybe a few tips.. They have been watered and fed with Humigro yesterday morning and they are responding well to it. Soon they should go to their bigger pots homes in the garden..

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Carling Black Label the beer for Champion's comes to mind. Sent from my S40 using Tapatalk

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Dope

Was about to mention this myself, I guess in the bigger city areas people use sidewalks because there is no other option unless you like being mowed down by traffic. But man in the suburbs it's like they don't exists, I myself am extremely guilty of not using sidewalks.

i just look for African Landrace seeds. Have Malawi and Swazi... some Kilimanjaro would be nice. If somebody want to share a few seeds. I will take good care of them in my seed vault. And to the breeding discussion. Lots of opinions, loads of passion... as long as you have fun, all and everything is kinda legit in breeding. Is a bit a zoo out there but still better as the hemp GESTAPO walks from door to door.

You clearly do have a lot to say about it, well so do I and this is a social platform where people discuss things cannabis related. We all have a lot to say about a lot of topics on this forum, that's why we're here, but like mr.ChrisJay said, we talk respectfully. I understand we all have emotions, but keeping a hair trigger on your emotions and being a hot head is just bad qualities in general. If you don't wana have a normal discussion, then don't. It's simple. Anyway, hope everyone is having a nice weekend so far! Be safe and enjoy!

Doing the stacking thing, bottom totes have drainage to collect worm tea, totes on top have multiple holes for tea draining down and worms migrating up when bottom totes are full.

Guys, just dont do this, talk respectfully and grow big. Check out growersnetwork.org to. Lots of top breeders on there, even some that have access to the original Mel Frank beans, skunk #1.

ICmag and seedfinder are great for if you want to go down never ending rabbit hole on info on the more popular strains from the past few decades

Yes sir. Some BHO dabaliciousness courtesy of Mr @The Grass Baas He is still experimenting on some methods to get us the purest product we can get

The thing is it comes to personal preference, there are people that are only looking to smoke "the best weed" in terms of bud appeal, thc content and good tasting terps. And then are people who like trying everything because it really comes down to the experience. Just by the way that "jut" you referring to (auto Daiquiri Lime) and I'm by no means a Dutch Passion fanyboy. But that is some good tasting weed !

I feel this has lead to an interesting topic with some nice views and opinions. I do feel there are some traits which are not ideal when it comes to some of the popular, bigger name breeders out there. Perhaps even some of the smaller breeders. The breeders aren't necessarily able to cover costs themselves and for most it is a business, so at least one of the goals is to make money and profit. Understandably so. Without the old there wouldn't be any of the new. Without people breeding in the manner they feel works best for them, we may not have ended up with some of the strains we have today. I am of the opinion that there is no breeder out there who only has fire strains, at least according to my preferences, however a strain I dislike may be cherished by another grower. Variety is important in this regard. I have yet to come across a strain which ticks every single box I want, there has always been a compromise of something and it may continue that way until cannabis starts being genetically modified and released to growers. Whether this will happen, who knows, I feel it is likely considering the way things have gone with other crops people grow in large amounts. It is likely easier and quicker to modify something in the lab then to try and breed selectively for particular traits. This is another tangent though. @Golden-Goose Although these big brands may be focusing more on marketing than breeding, they still need to at least try put out some fire stuff - especially if their pricing is on the higher end. No matter how good the branding and marketing is, if their strains are consistently shit then people will eventually learn and stop buying from them. It does feel as if there has a meta with cannabis. Certain strains or breeders getting hype for various reasons and one I think we can all attest to is Slurricane by In House Genetics. A lot of people know of Slurricane, whether it is really slurricane they end up growing or smoking who knows but is has become a very popular name. The same applies to some other strain names, white widow, skunk, chemdog, OG Kush, GG #4 etc. It happens quite a bit with some of the older strains actually, at least I feel this is the case. Which kinda takes me back to one of the points which lead to this conversation - people using the popularity behind these names to sell their products. ie. cheaper seedbanks making their own version of chemdog or white widow for example and selling the seeds for a lot less and making it more accessible to the masses compared to the original breeder of these strains. Heck, even Purple Punch - a quick google search will bring up multiple "breeders" with this strain. Whatever you want to call it, I feel what these breeders are doing by working off the popularity of the name and just trying to get a piece of the pie is wrong. I have no issue with people using popular or good strains, but at least use good cuts of these strains when breeding and put some effort into it. Like you get Purple Punch: and then you get Purple Punch: Also how many cuts are available or how accessible are some of the true, proper old school strains? Perhaps @Golden-Goose would have a better idea than I do. I suspect some of those cuts are likely gone or kept by a very select few people who likely do not share it. The same goes for some landraces, such as Durban Poison. A question for me still remains, for some of these popular old school cuts - have they continuously been bred and kept evolving and improving with the times? Something like White Widow, Chemdog or GG4 ? Are they available in their original form still and how does that actually compare to some of these newer strains? I feel a lot of these breeders who try and copy these older strains may have fucked the original breeder over as a lot of that the cheaper stuff grown which claim to be the same strain is mighty disappointing and this in turn can lead to people thinking those are shit strains in general and it was all hype. I myself am perhaps in this boat. What blows my mind is, if stuff like this was available in the 90's Why have people still been growing jut like this: 30 years later and the above is still common amongst growers. As far as I am concerned, weed like this is below average.

But that's just the thing... how much selective breeding is actually happening when we talk about the big boys in the game? If I have a stud, and then hit every single elite cookie clone I have with the pollen. Give each strain a cool name and slap some high end packaging on it, what have I actually done? Have I bred something for a desired taste, or maybe a certain type of high? Of course not. I have zero issues with F1's either. Even untested F1's, if the parents are stable and the breeder at least put some thought into why he/she was pairing two strains together. What would you classify as GOOD TASTING FROSTY weed? Maybe a new thread should be created with everyone's suggestions of really good modern strains. I'm not against having my mind changed. I've grown out a few of the newer cookie hybrids, and they just haven't quite cut it in my room. I would love to find something contemporary that is good enough to last more than a few rounds. I have a friend that breeds with cookies strains, crossing them into OG's and Diesels. He has been doing this for a while now. Some of his gear is mind blowing, but he is also super paranoid. So I worry that his gear will never see the light of day. I'm really not against new strains that check the right boxes. People tend to gravitate towards what they're comfortable with, so I'm probably guilty of giving more time and effort to finding a good OG vs finding a good cookie representation. Anyway... apologies to the OP. I think this thread might be derailed. To try and get back on thread... I would love to pollen chuck with some malawi or rooibaard. Bring down the flower time, and improve structure (for indoor) while maintaining at least some of the unique effects and maybe get something that tastes a little different. That would be a hugely time consuming effort though.

This is true, at what point is it no longer a pollen chuck? People take time to select specific cuts to breed together and then release as an F1, is this a pollen chuck? They sometimes pick a nice cut of a specific plant and then breed it with a variety of their existing strains - is this a pollen chuck? Seeing lines past F1 is not very common now a days, it feels as breeders do not mention how far down it has been bred either and I always assume it is just an F1. As you have said though, does it really matter as long as the buyer gets some awesome dank at the end and is happy with their purchase. Everyone is looking for different aspects in their bud and strains they choose. Variety is always nice as well.

Man this is the thing. What is a pollen chuck...? You could say I pollen chuck every year. Just because I spend my time selecting my males out of the lot I grow, does that mean it's not a pollen chuck? It's experimental for me, and I create plenty of new F1s every year, trying at best to improve the next generation in one way or another depending on the traits I'd like to slam together. Sometimes it works out well. Sometimes it doesn't. But I also work my lines further, which is not the case with many new aspiring breeders. Im also growing out all the cuts you guys are from Inhouse, ethos, and a few others, crossing in some of my other lines to add a bit of variation in my populations to pheno hunt. The industry is taking shape fast, and with the sheer variety of strains out there, be it a landrace, a hybrid, or a polyhybrid, at F1 or at F4, does it really matter if the result is a successful harvest of some dank?

I think it also comes down to what you are looking for in a strain. I will agree, just because a strain puts out frost does not mean it is super potent or full of terps. I grew a bagseed plant which which put out some decent frost, infact here is a picture of it. Not on the same level as in house genetics, but for bagseed it certainly surprised me and puts out more frost than a lot of strains people are still buying, even some more expensive ones. Tasted like nothing and the potency was not there. I honestly expected a lot more from it. During flower it smelt great though. With a lot of the in house genetics I currently grow, frost is there but yield takes a knock. The high is very pleasant and does change between strains but the terps are very similar, especially once smoked they taste very very similar. Some are a bit different but for the most part the ones I have grown out are quite similar indeed. Potency is good too though. Without a doubt In House Genetics chuck pollen, as do a lot of other popular breeders. As you said, it does feel like it is a game about pushing as many lines as possible and it works off hype. I feel Ethos are worse though as they do the exact same thing but their strains are really overhyped. They sell you on a beautiful description, sometimes include some nice pictures and what you get when you grow it out is far from what you expect. Not much special most of the time and Ethos might get lucky on one or two of their lines. Heck even @Totemic does a bit of pollen chucking at times to get new strains out. Breeding and not releasing F1's and waiting until they are bred further is a very time consuming process. I feel a breeder does not necessarily have a choice if they want to get some of the newer strains into their mixes in a timely manner. Is there anything wrong with pollen chucking? Well, this is perhaps another topic on it's own but it has its appeal and uses for both breeders and growers. As a grower I do not really want to see this amazing strain and not be able to buy it for a couple of months, more realistically years. As you have said, a lot of strains can seem quite similar. What has stood out from the rest is these super frosty strains. It is visual and you can clearly see and tell whether it is different and do not rely on someone else stating that the terps are amazeballs and the high lasted as long as the plant flowered for. Compound Genetics have some, In House Genetics have some, Relentless Genetics have and others as well - unfortunately trying to get some of these strains locally is near impossible and they are often limited runs (Compound Genetics particularly), however I would expect the terps to differ a bit between these super frosty strains but unfortunately do not have much experience yet due to not being able to get said strains. I think I may have asked this before in another thread, also don't misunderstand - I was not and am not taking a knock at Golden Goose or the strains you sell - far from it. Although the strains you guys sell are a mix of the old school stuff with some newer ones, is that correct? What is the appeal for you behind these strains which you stock versus just the new stuff? Stuff which is put out by some of the breeders mentioned above who have become quite popular and who have put out some strains with that "next level" frost. What is your view on some of the guys like BeLeaf who do a lot of growing and chuck pollen between two great cuts he comes across? I think maybe the industry has changed with cannabis being legal in a few places and more people growing their own and people are now easily able to grow their own and share what they have and what they are growing and what they have found. They can do so legally in a lot of places as well, combined with the internet - someone finds a keeper, it is easier to share it and document it and ship it off to others to make use of. It no longer relies on a small group of guys who grow out thousands of seeds to try find that one special plant and then trying to make the most of it. Not as many people buying seeds or wanting to buy seeds as well, so releases could take longer I feel - not if a breeder can only release a strain after say 2 to 3 years of breeding they're going to have a limited amount of strains to offer. Are most of the strains from your side not F1's?

@PsyCLown I think you have it backwards bud. Although life is all about perspective. For me, and many others like me, the newer stuff is all about marketing/hype. Take this "elite" polypolypoly hybrid and smash it together with this other "elite" polypolypoly hybrid. Give it some bullshit desert name and then hype the hell out of it. Do this multiple times in a year, which pretty much guarantees nothing has been tested, and then sit back and watch the fanboys queue up to throw their money at you. Laugh all the way to the bank, while the market is flooded with super frosty boof that smells and tastes the same as the last super frosty boof they grew. The frostiest and possibly "prettiest" strain I've ever grown was a freak Amherst Sour Diesel. We all thought it was going to be super potent and tasty gear. It was straight rubbish. Same with a cut of DOG I had from Ripper. That one was potent as hell, but the high was muddy and although there was a hint of grape terps, there was no taste at all apart from your typical burnt hash flavour you often find on freakishly frosty gear. Are there "new school" breeders who still produce fire. Of course there are. Are they completely overshadowed by the cookie fam? In my opinion... definitely! Think about this for a second... Golden Goose will never be one of the big banks in SA. My partner and I are well aware of this. We've even had a serious discussion about stocking things like autos and your typical hype gear to help improve sales. We haven't done it (yet) though, because then we would be completely contradicting our own mission statement. Making us hypocrites and twats. We wanted to be niche. That is probably going to bite us in the ass in the long or even medium term, as South Africa is just not a big enough market for this type of philosophy or market strategy to work. If we pack up shop, at least I will have tons of gear for my own breeding projects. That will be the silver lining I cling to. LOL! Also, I just want to add that I doubt OSG is testing all his gear either. What I like about him, is that he is sitting on gold when it comes to hard-to-find older "elite gear". He is also an honest guy and a pleasure to work with. If you're looking for gear that has been properly tested with real fire power and that old school flavour, then look no further than Lucky Dog. Skunk VA is passionate about his chemdog genetics, and it shows. Unfortunately, his stuff is not cheap though. You pay for the work that he puts in. Now, a logical person might surmise that progress is just that... progress. Therefore, cannabis strains in general will improve. I firmly believe that sentiment to be flawed though. Before the trend of global legalisation, or decriminalisation people had to do some serious hunting to latch on to anything special. Wether in clone form or pheno hunting through seeds. That led to it's own set of disadvantages, but one of the positives is that growers and breeders cherished what they had and the passion was real. When breeding, it was often done with clear intent on the outcome and they selectively bred towards those goals. Many of those same breeders in today's economic and social climate would probably also just smash unicorn raspberry poop to sunshine rainbow cheerio pebbles and call it a day. So it's not that their moral compass was any better. These days, demand is massive and everyone wants that new new. If you want to stay relevant, you have to pander to that demand. Making it almost impossible to breed to the standards set by the previous generation, who could afford to spend years on a breeding project to get it just right. The Brand is the new god, and every breeder has dreams of being the next Coca-Cola. Apologies if my post came across as hostile. I didn't read the entire thread either, so I might also be in danger of picking up stompies.

I agree. The climate has been changing, CO2 levels would be higher now which is better for the plants. Breeding has lead to strains which put out higher THC and more frost as well. What is the appeal behind these old school strains? I know peeps like @Golden-Goose focus on a lot of the old school strains, perhaps with a bit of a modern twist. As you said, to me it feels like a marketing thing as companies have gone and taken the status behind some popular strains and ended up with their own version of said strain, which when grown out from their seeds is nothing like the original might I add, and sell it in hopes that people will buy it based on the name and the fact that it is easily available and cheap. I feel a lot of the dutch seed guys have done this. It might be nostalgia as well if there is someone from that era who use to smoke. Think that the weed was better - perhaps more potent or the terps were better or whatever the case may be. Often this is not the case though, it is a known fact that us humans are not good at remember detail accurately over a long period of time and what we recall as memories from our childhood for example can end up being quite different to what reality was as the years go on. With weed and substances, there is also the novelty as well as set and setting which need to be taken into consideration. The first few times you smoked weed, the effects may have been very different and I know for a fact this has happened to me. I used to get the giggles a lot and now I almost never get them when smoking. I do not feel this is the weed I am smoking now, but more the fact that the novelty has worn off. You get a fast car, it is awesome but over time you get use to the speed and it becomes normal. Similar concept. You may also associate smoking with some fun activities you did when you were younger, that may affect the way you recall the weed being. Tolerance I feel can also play a role. I recently took a break from smoking for the month of August, not that I felt I had built up a big tolerance but smoking after the break, it hits a lot harder again. Go from smoking and building up a tolerance on shitty outdoor, to smoking some good indoor and you notice the difference! Landraces can be fun to play with I guess, the old school strains I can understand from a collection point of view but in terms of them being better. I do not feel that is the case and need to disagree with it. Life goes on, things improve with time and weed has improved in multiple aspects over the past 3o+ years.

hahah this "looking for those old school strains" is a never ending thing in this cannabis community, and I really can't wrap my head around it. SO MANY factors come into play. everything changes. even the nature of things change when given enough time and this is a good thing, it's growth, we need to grow and allow things and ourselves to change. the big deal when it comes to looking for a certain strain. you have to know what you looking for hey golden key this is a big contribution to my notion that many classic strains people are looking for are gone, because people don't even really know what exactly they looking for. then they find something with that name, make a purchase and the best among the batch will be labled "the real deal" when in reality the closest you will get is just something slightly similar. this is causing further confusion and people who go around claiming they have the real deal because it's got the same name is really shouldn't be doing that. I see labling a strain with a old school name as a marketing tactic used because of the hype around old school strains. there was a video posted on here not too long ago explaining genetic plasticity, going deep into physiological morphology based on response to unique environments and human intervention. saying you're hunting a old school strain and expecting it to be like the "real deal from the 70's" is like saying you looking for an ancestor of yours that looks, speaks, acts, smells, has the same blood type and exact same evrything as you. which is just a wild thing to say.......... I would love to know from some of these old school hunters on the forum, is the weed of today not good enough for you or what's the reason for clinging to the past? I am willing to bet that the strains you guys are looking for, or shall I rather say the "profiles" you guys are looking for are right under your noses, it's just got a new name... Is it just the name you guys are looking for and the ability to say "hey mate, I got a jar of the real deal old school original shit from the 70's". or are you guys for real hunting those strains? cz you gotta be a real big time grower to be doing a real hunt like that. I am sure most of you guys are familiar with Arjan Roskam and the strainhunter show? You can't just grow 100 plants in your back yard and call it a strain hunt. You'll need to be able to have a grow setup in every second corner of the world and I mean mountain side grows of a couple acres, you have to be able to travel the world and do insane amounts of research to be doing a hunt like that.... otherwise you're just looking for a strain with a old school name and of that there is a litteral TON out there. every seed bank offers some or other "original". ✌

What about a nice mankini? The investment is totally worth it. Buy a pizza oven, get people to eat pizza and trim your bud in exchange for some fresh, home made pizza. Providing pizza is like a vacation. Gives me time to go to the beach with my mankini.

I'll be making sure @PsyCLowncomes and trims my bud, but only if he's wearing a speedo.

Been a busy time... Sifted 400lt of compost from the JoJo composter, cooking 200lt's on the backburner for the next round in the wheelybin. Mixed 2 batches of 160lt's. Base store bought 'soil' amended with wood ash, volcanic rock dust, dol lime, bone meal, bio ocean kelp and 60lt of sifted compost and 30lt EWC each. The soil in the blue drums get rolled every week to mix and aerate during cooking. The drums are less messy and look neater, rolling them also much less effort that spade turning. Been struggling to find decent EWC locally, decided 'stuff this' and started our own farm, mix of red wrigglers and local worms. Started with 1, now up to 2 totes, very soon 4x60lt totes will supply 40-80lt's every 2-3mnths. The tea is a welcome bonus. Worms seem happy as they breeding like bunnies.

So these girls and boy are just going into flower. 6 females left, and a male chosen from 8. Not going to be many seeds from this run. More of a poke and prod to see overall F3 outcomes.

Like Totemic said, use one or the other, Fish Mix OR Grow. I only use Grow when flower starts, see no reason for the additional molasses during Veg. That table is for Autos or a bit hara-kiri Photo growing.. they swap 12/12 to early to my liking ^^ You start with Bloom when your plants go flower, not before. To early Bloom isn't actually good for them, you feed to much they don't need and still will try to store. Stick to Fish Mix during Veg and swap Fish and Grow during flower.. I stick for the last 3 weeks to Grow only as I prefer the added molasses. I do not use feeding tables for Photos, I decide to add more depending on size and stage of the plant. Autos are a bit easier in that direction.. you can just follow a matching feeding table.

Bro choose fish or grow.... Not both. You are heading for N toxicity and lockout if you continue with both. Bloom only gets used from week 3 of flower... Are you using it already? The biobizz chart assumes a flip to 12/12 with first 2 weeks on chart equal first 2 weeks of preflower, and from week 3 on chart is day 14 of flower If these are photoperiod plants, then you stick to the week 2 part of the schedule throughout veg, but choose one of the veg nutes not both. Then from the start of your 3rd week of flower.. Day 14, then you start with bloom.. The chart also doesn't stop with the veg nutes, while I personally drop them from the start of the 6th or 7th week