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80cm tent. Flower Day 46: OG Mandarin Cookies, Frozen Fuel PH5, Ginger Tea. Looking like a Frankenstein situation over here. I really trained them to death, then had to defol like crazy, such a shame. Note taken! Hopefully get a few good nugs out of it if I'm lucky. Heck, maybe they'll improve a bit by harvest time. Found a small spot of bud rot in the Crazy Haze earlier, smdh, I feel like I have to apologise to the herb gods for multiple counts of aggravated HST/ Training with intent to harm. Just have to stay vigilant. Will leave fans on high, Eskom willing.

80cm tent. Flower Day 36.

EMS-240 - @120W | 60cm tent. Crazy Haze: Flower Day 40. Jogging to the finish line. EMS-240 - @200W | 80cm tent. Flower Day 35: OG Mandarin Cookies, Frozen Fuel PH5, Ginger Tea, Mandarin Sunset. Photo from yesterday, final defol 3 days before that. Remains to be seen whether my overtraining, which resulted in nodes stacking too closely (forcing aggressive late flower defol), has killed decent bud development.

You're right mate! Appreciate ya. I aim to get to a place where I can have loads of options on offer, just like you suggested!

Fair play mate, then my light doesn't suit a 1.2x1.2m tent as a primary use-case scenario for him. And I'm stoked he got himself sorted! I can't do anything about that at the moment. This is my product, this is what it can do, and I'll go to the ends of the earth to keep customers satisfied and growing happily, that's all that is in my control right now. And I will continue to improve it every chance I get. All I can do is make my case, and people can decide whether I make cogent points. Maybe 1 person thinks I'm an idiot and rather buys a cheap 120W, guess what, I'm genuinely happy for them, and will give them grow advice or any advice for free. Heck I'll help them choose the best option for them. ..But perhaps the next person or the one after that sees the value in what I've done to make growing using my light a breeze, and they appreciate that, perhaps they will choose to purchase one. Yes, thank you, I realise times are tough, if you think I'm putting a massive mark up on my lights, you're just dead wrong. I'm sorry, where did I say that 2 of my lights are perfect to buy for a 1.2x.06? I didn't. Should I not state that they will fit that size of tent and what the dimming options are? Should I not then also inform them that two lights will also cater to larger sizes in a similar but larger dimension? I didn't make that argument. Without asking me anything, you have assumed all of this. If you had ever asked me any questions, and not just assumed everything, you'd know that I am the FIRST one to suggest products from other local brands. I love LED lighting! I would never push my product on anyone. I would feel terrible if someone wasn't 100% happy with their purchase. I am the type of guy to suggest other brands over mine if your budget is too small. If we aren't happy growing, what's the point. I have no opinion on whether weed should be grown quickly or slowly. It's necessarily use-case scenario dependant. You are the one who commented on me growing slowly, I didn't come to your thread and say you grow too quickly.

Ok thanks. "I honestly would slim the whole configuration down. Place the dimmer side ways and connect only 2 bars to the 120w driver." Place the dimmer sideways? The point is that the driver can be attached to the light or outside the tent. And it's easy to access either way. But I do also like the driver/dimmer combo drivers. At this stage, I'm starting with 1 light that is versatile, rather than multiple products, because I want to be successful and provide excellent customer care, and at this stage that is the most important consideration. More products require more IEC tests and more NRCS approvals. Hence my strategy of a medium powered light with the ability to be used for multiple situations. "For the 1.2x1.2 area i recommend to offer one lamp using 4 hangers and 8 of your bars split evenly over the 1x1 frame. 480 watts. If you want to go nuts.. 600, add 1 bar.. but 600 is about the max you should put on a 1.2x1.2 or you simply generate heat for nothing. There is also to much light" Yep, not bad suggestions at all, but a very traditional market approach, and not one that suits my current situation. I'm a new business and I've illustrated my reasons/concerns above. But I obviously desire to expand with different SKU's for different applications. But for an initial product, I've decided to go with flexibility as my main goal. My reputation is everything, and I want only to offer products that I would be happy buying myself. "I see you want to be rather versatile on grow areas. I would more focus on 0.6x0.6, 1.2x0.6 and 1.2x1.2.. bigger tents just add several 1.2x1.2 setups.. I use 16 x 120w QBs in a 2.4x2.4." Fair enough, in my opinion the strategy you describe involves single products that cater to specific, individual tent sizes, whereas I view the word versatile as pertaining more to a situation that involves 1 product being able to be used in multiple situations, and then expanded by adding more of the same product. However, I have only developed this one 240W light, I have all the official/legal certifications and documents, I've invested all my energy into it. And I love using it myself. I will defintely take your advice on board with respect to the future! I have a massive passion for grow lighting, I friggin love this stuff, I live and breathe it. I hope that I project that passion and am not misunderstood as trying to possibly mislead people, as your posts have seemed to infer.

Can you see the image of my dimmer? I've spent 100s of hours creating indicator marks for the dimmer sticker and I calibrate each light to be as accurate as possible.. We'll have to agree to disagree. I believe I have made a few very logical points, which you don't find valid at all. My final attempt for clarification: Your main issue: Why buy a 240W when a 120W will do: 60cm tent as example: - Better PAR spread. - Option to use higher light levels. - Reduced electricity consumption, due to dimming increasing system efficiency. - A dimmed light creates less heat, allows easier control of environment temperature (not everyone has AC) - Many people don't just buy one tent size with no intention to expand to larger sizes. -- The single 240W can then be transferred to larger sized tents (up to 90cm for single light) -- Option for a second light to be added to cater to non-square dimension tents/spaces "but what reason is it to run a lamp on 50% during flower. My brain tells me that i could simply buy a smaller one.. as they are usually also cheaper" It seems as if I'm repeating myself, but one reason someone would not run a light at 100%, is that it increases the efficiency of the light, using less electricity. Another is it results in less heat in the grow space that needs to be exhausted. Can be particularly helpful in hotter seasons. But yes, you can buy a cheaper light, that will get the job done nicely in that particular sized tent only, that too is an option.

For which size tent? I currently only have PAR maps for 60/70/80/90 at the moment (available for download on my site). I'm a new business. First of all, I have to at least show that 4 lights will in fact fit a 1.2x1.2 space, in addition to the next size up 1.5x1.5, to show the versatility of multiple lights vs buying 1 light for 1 specific size tent. Would I buy 4 of my lights only for a 1.2mx1.2m tent, no. If I had a multiple tents, including a 1.5x1.5 and a 1.2x1.2, would I want to know if it will fit them? Well now I know. Yes you can buy a cheaper light for the 1.2x1.2, but could that light then also be transferable to a 1.5x1.5, no. So that is 1 advantage. Multiple lights can also accommodate differently/oddly sized grow spaces. That's another advantage. Look I can see your point, but you seem to be misunderstanding my intentions. "Dual fixture.. i have a tent like that... 1.2x0.6.. why would I hang lamps in with a wattage you use on 1.2x1.2? Sorrryyyy but is just to much... and using a dimmer demands a Quantum Flux Meter to set them right or have on the dimmer the right setting marked for distances you provide." I don't believe I've told anyone to use 1.2x1.2 wattage in a 1.2x0.6? Two lights can only provide max-480W. The whole point is that multiple smaller lights can suit many situations. Rather than 1 light designed for 1 specific size of tent. Maybe I'm crazy, but I regard that as a benefit? Am I crazy over here!? A further benefit of having more power than you need, is the ability to dim the light, which not only increases the efficiency of the system, it creates far less heat, and in climates like SA it can be a huge positive aspect for the hotter periods of the year, since air-conditioning is expensive to buy and run. Perhaps a person has to put a grow tent in an area that has little access to fresh air. The ability to keep temps low is huge. No, using a dimmer doesn't require a quantum sensor, because I've made PAR maps. They come in the box, and are available to download on my site. LEAF-PAR-Maps-Web.pdf I personally calibrate each light to be as accurate as possible. "Lamps are one of the most essential tool in indoor growing. Guessing is the last you want to do... you have numbers to work with. Germination, Vegetation and Flower... they need very different light setups on each stage. How you hang your lights for each?" Yes I realise this, thank you I would love for you to make a suggestion(s) as to how I can better describe my product, as you seem to have come away with a very negative impression. It's very disheartening.

Again, it is merely to illustrate the flexibility of multiple smaller lights. As I say, I have to at least let people know that 4 lights will indeed fit that space, 1.2m, in addition to easily flowering the next significant tent size up, 1.5m. Obviously 960W is overkill for a 1.2m, but that's why there is a dimmer with accurate wattage control. That's why I use words like "up to" and "max", to better show the limits. Eg. in the image of 2x lights in a 1.2x0.6m tent, I say 240W-dimmed. Additionally, 4 separate lights have the ability to be setup either closer or further apart, so you can spread the PAR more evenly in a larger space, vs 1 large, centrally located light. If yall can suggest better wording/approach, then I'm happy to change it!

Hehe, I honestly don't understand the confusion "SINGLE FIXTURE (240W max) Fits: 60cm | 70cm | 80cm | 90cm DUAL FIXTURES (480W max) Fits: 120cm x 60cm and up 4 FIXTURES (960W max) Fits: 120cm x 120cm – 150cm x 150cm" - and then I have images illustrating the different setups in the different tent dimensions. - Should I say "Fits IN:" ? Would that help? All that text is meant to explain is that: 4x fixtures will fit in a 1.2mx1.2m tent, they will also fit in a 1.5mx1.5m tent. And can flower both, but dimmed in the 1.2mx1.2m, and in the 1.5mx1.5m you can use up to 960W or less, maybe around 800W, if you'd like. I don't have a 1.2mx1.2m+ test space to test the hanging height for 4 fixtures, but the hanging height will probably be a bit less than for a single light. (for which I've painstakingly made comprehensive PAR maps) If somebody actually buys 4 lights at once, then I'll obviously have to build a bigger 1.5m test space, and provide exact data. More than happy to do so. I just don't have the space to easily do so, but I'll make a plan.

Why would you say that? 960W is more than enough to flower a 1.5x1.5? Am I missing something? Eg. Mars Hydro: FC8000 800W, FC-E8000 800W Spider Farmer: SE7000 - 730W, SE1000 - 1000W, G860 - 860W, G1000 - 1000W. - All marketed towards 1.5mx1.5m. In fact the 1000W models are marketed more towards supplementary C02 users.

Time for a do-over.

Hey man, I'm unsure of the rules about posting my website. I think it's ok since you're asking me (don't want to get banned! ) When I search "leaf grow lights" on google it comes up for me, but it may be a delayed synchronisation thing. https://leafgrowlights.co.za/ https://www.instagram.com/leafgrowlights/ DM me here or on any platform if you have any questions!

@200W | 80cm tent. Flower Day 36: OG Mandarin Cookies, Frozen Fuel PH5, Ginger Tea, Mandarin Sunset. Definitely overtrained, this lot just didn't stretch like the Crazy Haze, lesson learned. Excited to start over.

EMS-240 - @120W | 60cm tent. Crazy Haze: Flower Day 33. Surviving shedding so far, no signs of nanners...yet. Most amazing, pungent, citrus terpenes. This pheno is head and shoulders above the other clones I was gifted.

Definitely, in bunched up buds mostly, never widespread! But you're exactly right to suggest more defoliation. Believe me I've been constantly selectively removing a bunch of leaves, even though it doesn't look like it. Few days later and they recover too quickly. But as per your suggestion I did go ahead and do a more serious chop last night! Appreciate the feedback, I must learn to get the timing and amount of defoliation down a lot better. Also need to step back a notch or two on the training.

EMS-240 - @200W | 80cm tent. Flower Day 26: OG Mandarin Cookies, Frozen Fuel PH5, Ginger Tea, Mandarin Sunset. Ok maybe I take training a little too far sometimes, so it's probably a little too flat and lacking vertical breathing room. In my defense it's my favourite part of growing, so I can't promise it won't happen again. Always learning to do less of one thing and more of another.

60cm tent. Flower Day 26: Crazy Haze.

Oh hey dude, that's actually me! Remember you lent me your quantum sensor?? I haven't ventured outside Grow Diaries for a while. Oh I see where it's confusing: "4 FIXTURES (960W*) Fits: 120cm x 120cm and up" It's supposed to be 2 statements, 4 fixtures are able to provide 960W, and 4 will fit in a 120cm x 120cm tent. - I'll delete the mention of wattage there, or add *max, what do you suggest? How about this: "SINGLE FIXTURE (240W max) Fits: 60cm | 70cm | 80cm | 90cm DUAL FIXTURES (480W max) Fits: 120cm x 60cm and up 4 FIXTURES (960W max) Fits: 120cm x 120cm - 150cm x 150cm" Likewise, I'd also not suggest 480W for a 120x60cm, 240W-300W max more like it. No I don't come from HID. The reference to 960W is merely to demonstrate the option for people using CO2 (hence why it states "max", as in it's capable of that if desired), also indicating that it can flower a larger space. Just like the 1000W fixtures from a few other big companies (Spider Farmer does 2x 1000W models actually, using two different led brands for separate price-points) I'll update the website to state as much. I never intended anyone to think that they MUST use full power! The point was to show that multiple smaller fixtures can scale more easily. I'm an 800 ppfd kind of guy myself, as I don't use CO2. I state on my PAR maps that are included in the box that over 800ppfd starts to require elevated CO2 levels beyond the regular 400ppm to fully utilise the benefit thereof (and apparently those bags and bottles are useless - Migro Shane says he tested them). And even then your temps/humidity/nutes have to be on point. I appreciate the feedback though! Let me know if anything else is confusing or crappy looking!

Oh yea, that space is filling up nicely! I hear ya about keeping up on the defol! Hopefully it will stay around 30c max!? ..Perhaps the powerful fans will help.

80cm tent - 200W. Flower Day 18: OG Mandarin Cookies, Frozen Fuel PH5, Ginger Tea, Mandarin Sunset. 60cm tent - 120W. Crazy Haze: Flower Day 22.

Crazy Haze: Flower Day 18 - Thanks to Eskom interrupting the timer it received 24hr of light. Great.. So possible herm action in the near future.

Day 10 Flower: OG Mandarin Cookies, Frozen Fuel PH5, Ginger Tea, Mandarin Sunset

Yep, I'm still using GHE Micro+Bloom, and FF recommends 5.5pH on their website. I usually start with conservative levels of nutes near to the end of veg. This time I'm trying higher levels than I ever have before, closer to the Lucas formula for Coco, 6ml Micro / 12ml Bloom per gallon (3.785l), though my mixing bottle is 5l, so still a bit weaker.. I'll also mix 3ml/6ml into 2l if I need less. Def considering Biobizz, but want to be competent using the GHE before moving on.