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Going to be near impossible to identify what strain, however if it is just between those 2 then it can make life a lot easier. Which breeders? When I grew a critical mass, I do not recall the frost being on the same level so I am going to guess banana. But it is literally just a guess.

So I was looking at a few places which stocked a particular item to see who was the cheapest and stumbled upon @TheGroBro and I recall @Chris Jay making mention on them in another thread and he stopped by their shop. Since I am nowhere near where their shop is based, had it shipped to me but the experience was great! Shipped the same day and when it arrived, it was packaged nicely and discreetly. Today, I was looking for a particular clone dome which was out of stock pretty much everywhere I looked, except for The Gro Bro! Needed to get a few other supplies which they happened to have in stock and once again - the same excellent service I got initially. Order shipped out the same day - now waiting for it to arrive but I am sure it will be packaged well and delivered discreetly again. So just a heads up and thank you to @TheGroBro If there is something you need which is stocked by The Gro Bro, you can go ahead make the purchase and know that the order will be shipped out quickly. They also use TCG, who I find to be a lot quicker than Fastway, MDS and the other couriers.

I just did some chiro on the plants I put I to flower a week or so ago, works really well. No broken stems by accident, unlike with what I was doing previously. Now let's see how it goes and compares. Sent from my Redmi Note 7 Pro using Tapatalk

So if tis "branded" seeds like these, then they would like you to think they're the breeders. Possible some of it gets outsourced to another company or person to produce the seeds though. The local seed bank would not have any control over it and it would not be their fault. They are just stocking a product and selling it. I had an entire pack of Dutch Passion auto's turn out to be photoperiods.

What a great video! I feel its a must watch for any grower - especially a new grower who might not know this. I feel as if this Kyle Kushman and I do things in quite a similar manner, but there are somethings I will be trying for sure after watching this video. The chiropractic part is new to me, curious to give it a try though. I wish I had watched this video sooner, would have saved me time learning a lot of this myself or bits and pieces from others. @John Stonedwell A nice video with regards to how much to prune / defoliate.

Nice, see how they're doing when the lights are back on - the should have started pointing upwards towards the light again and then as they grow you can continue to adjust your training to ensure a nice flat canopy to help ensure most of the bud gets the same amount of light and strength of light (PPFD). After the stretch, then you can likely remove the training stuff if need be, won't cause harm to keep it in place until harvest either though. You may need to stake or use something to help support the branches from the weight of the bud.

You are correct. Leaf surface temp plays into the equation.

Patience...its still over 3 months until you're getting bud. Sent from my Redmi Note 7 Pro using Tapatalk

Nice, looking good! Keen to see how the plants look in a weeks time once their Rapunzel like roots have reached nicely into the water.

I'd say do some LST while you still can - will help get a flat canopy and that will help get a better yield.

So probably a bit too heavy for most. Even some of these songs get a bit much for me at times. In the right club and the right mood Early hours of the morning jamming to this just before the sun comes up.

VPD can be extremely difficult to control though as there are factors which one can often find difficult to control, or difficult to control to match a good VPD. Such as humidity and temperature. In both cases, if you need to lower your RH or temp you often require an aircon and/or dehumidifier. Not cheap and even when you have this equipment sometimes it is not sufficient to ensure the RH and temps are always kept within the set range - especially humidity as the dehumidifier can only remove soo much water at a time and the more plants, the more moisture is being released etc. My room is not always spot on for the VPD. I try control it as much as possible though but well shit. Just gotta make the best of it.

@Naughty.Psychonaut You are 100% right, there is no best weed, best car, best shoes, best shorts, best t-shirt etc. It comes down to specific situations and preferences. There are times however, where majorty will agree that something is below average or just utter crap or wont deny that there is something better out there. With that being said, I still feel there is progress which gets made. New strains with more frost, more THC, perhaps more overall terps, different cannabinoid profiles etc. as well as new cars with more power and lower fuel consumption, extra safety features and the general technological advancements incorporated, the same applies to shoes and clothes and perhaps the Adidas 4D shoes are further proof to this as well as new technologies to help make fabrics look newer for longer and help them retain the qualities we want as well as incorproate some newer qualities and there are newer fabrics or ways to use the fabrics to achieve what we want - situation dependent. There might be traits we dislike from some breeders, perhaps even breeders we support by buying their seeds and growing them out.... With that being said, there was a reason we bought their seeds - even if it was just based on hype.

A local suppliers, but who is the breeder? If the supplier is just that - a supplier - and not the breeder, it is then in no way their fault but more the fault of the breeder as far as I see it. My experience with autos has also been a bit all over the place to be honest. I feel one needs to be a bit fussier with the breeders and possibly do a bit more research and homework as to which strains are worth while and show consistent results.

@Chris Jay I get not everyone is going to suddenly plant shit on the sidewalk if it is allowed, at the same time I get why it is not allowed. I am not against what he is trying to do at all, he is doing what few would and that is taking initiative and action and trying to make a difference. As for the Durban guy and his car, it seems as if they're trying to make an example out of him. Because he appears to have some money as he drives a Merc, they feel he has no reason not to pay for the stuff he stole. Whether he actually has money, who knows. Is the car even paid off? I'd be surprised if it is. I am going off a limb and assuming he felt he could take advantage of the situation, everyone else is benefitting so why can't he? Unlucky for him, he got caught. Is him forfeiting his car for a basket full of groceries a reasonable punishment? I personally feel it is a bit harsh, but at the same time they're trying to show that eve if you have money, you can still get punished for doing a crime. We all know the reality is that there are soo many people committing crimes and far worse ones who get away with it because of who they know, who they pay etc. Runners and more so cyclists in the road, I fucking hate it. If its a wide enough ride and they stick to the side to not inconvenience me then fine. When they're far away from the side of the road and are in my way... WTF. GTFO! The road is for motorized vehicle, you have a fucking mountain bike and there is a sidewalk right there. Much safer for both them and the drivers on the road. Even worse when there are 2 or 3 of them side by side half way into your lane. No flickers, no side mirrors, no number plate.

I don't know Cookies very well, however just because something is popular doesn't mean it's great. You can't be telling me 50 000 screaming fans are never wrong, they could be morons. Lol However clearly whatever they are doing is working for them, perhaps they've found a niche in the market. With time things change, what is popular and what people will continue to change as time goes on. Sent from my Redmi Note 7 Pro using Tapatalk

Keen to see how the Loud Cakes turn out

Yum Yum!

Haha, I grew Auto Daquari Lime too. Was alright, could have been more potent though. Was nothing to write home about as far as I am concerned. Bag appeal was minimal though. Jut is perhaps too strong of a word, it could be worse and look like this... Even then I have seen worse weed. There is more to weed than just the way it looks, it does however play a role. I understand and agree that personal preference comes into play, part of why there is variety... But it feels as if weed from that other picture has been extremely difficult to come across... Why is this the case? Only recently have we started to gain access to more strains like this? Is it due to the laws? Have people been keeping it to themselves and smaller groups / circles? Have breeders been lazy and some of the larger ones not bothered to put time and effort in to get such strains?

A link to the article for those who have not read it: https://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/gauteng/i-am-not-afraid-says-cabbage-man-as-he-prepares-to-take-veg-garden-fight-to-court-fe8e5c1f-b1a1-43a8-8a28-34c88f517f27 He is trying to do a good thing and is taking the initiative and putting in the effort, yet at the same time I can understand that is everyone is allowed to do this - we would not have any sidewalks and it could quite easily lead to other issues. As an example, rats could come and start taking over the suburbs due to this food which is easily and readily available to them. People can no longer run, job, walk or cycle as easily or safely. A common ground needs to be found I feel, I like the idea of having designated space where food can be grown for those in need. Unfortunately managing this becomes an issue as we get those who are greedy or do not care and will ruin it for everyone. Perhaps it would work where an honesty system works. If there is a cannabis plant in public and it gets to flower and it is easily accessible. I am certain it will be harvested by someone pre-maturely in fear of someone else taking it down first and getting it before they could. Sort of like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

I feel this has lead to an interesting topic with some nice views and opinions. I do feel there are some traits which are not ideal when it comes to some of the popular, bigger name breeders out there. Perhaps even some of the smaller breeders. The breeders aren't necessarily able to cover costs themselves and for most it is a business, so at least one of the goals is to make money and profit. Understandably so. Without the old there wouldn't be any of the new. Without people breeding in the manner they feel works best for them, we may not have ended up with some of the strains we have today. I am of the opinion that there is no breeder out there who only has fire strains, at least according to my preferences, however a strain I dislike may be cherished by another grower. Variety is important in this regard. I have yet to come across a strain which ticks every single box I want, there has always been a compromise of something and it may continue that way until cannabis starts being genetically modified and released to growers. Whether this will happen, who knows, I feel it is likely considering the way things have gone with other crops people grow in large amounts. It is likely easier and quicker to modify something in the lab then to try and breed selectively for particular traits. This is another tangent though. @Golden-Goose Although these big brands may be focusing more on marketing than breeding, they still need to at least try put out some fire stuff - especially if their pricing is on the higher end. No matter how good the branding and marketing is, if their strains are consistently shit then people will eventually learn and stop buying from them. It does feel as if there has a meta with cannabis. Certain strains or breeders getting hype for various reasons and one I think we can all attest to is Slurricane by In House Genetics. A lot of people know of Slurricane, whether it is really slurricane they end up growing or smoking who knows but is has become a very popular name. The same applies to some other strain names, white widow, skunk, chemdog, OG Kush, GG #4 etc. It happens quite a bit with some of the older strains actually, at least I feel this is the case. Which kinda takes me back to one of the points which lead to this conversation - people using the popularity behind these names to sell their products. ie. cheaper seedbanks making their own version of chemdog or white widow for example and selling the seeds for a lot less and making it more accessible to the masses compared to the original breeder of these strains. Heck, even Purple Punch - a quick google search will bring up multiple "breeders" with this strain. Whatever you want to call it, I feel what these breeders are doing by working off the popularity of the name and just trying to get a piece of the pie is wrong. I have no issue with people using popular or good strains, but at least use good cuts of these strains when breeding and put some effort into it. Like you get Purple Punch: and then you get Purple Punch: Also how many cuts are available or how accessible are some of the true, proper old school strains? Perhaps @Golden-Goose would have a better idea than I do. I suspect some of those cuts are likely gone or kept by a very select few people who likely do not share it. The same goes for some landraces, such as Durban Poison. A question for me still remains, for some of these popular old school cuts - have they continuously been bred and kept evolving and improving with the times? Something like White Widow, Chemdog or GG4 ? Are they available in their original form still and how does that actually compare to some of these newer strains? I feel a lot of these breeders who try and copy these older strains may have fucked the original breeder over as a lot of that the cheaper stuff grown which claim to be the same strain is mighty disappointing and this in turn can lead to people thinking those are shit strains in general and it was all hype. I myself am perhaps in this boat. What blows my mind is, if stuff like this was available in the 90's Why have people still been growing jut like this: 30 years later and the above is still common amongst growers. As far as I am concerned, weed like this is below average.

@DankFiend What about looking for a used one on an aquarium forum? There is also one for sale on this forum: I reckon pull the trigger and get the proper equipment and be done with it!

This is true, at what point is it no longer a pollen chuck? People take time to select specific cuts to breed together and then release as an F1, is this a pollen chuck? They sometimes pick a nice cut of a specific plant and then breed it with a variety of their existing strains - is this a pollen chuck? Seeing lines past F1 is not very common now a days, it feels as breeders do not mention how far down it has been bred either and I always assume it is just an F1. As you have said though, does it really matter as long as the buyer gets some awesome dank at the end and is happy with their purchase. Everyone is looking for different aspects in their bud and strains they choose. Variety is always nice as well.

Poll closed, new one is here: This is for the year 2021.

So I did a thread like this with a poll last year and since we end up spending more and more each year - thought why not update it on a yearly basis. So just equipment, not the actual running costs like electricity, nutes, coco and also not including seeds). The names will not be publicly displayed, so you can vote with confidence as I understand this could be a touchy subject if everyone could see the names of the voters.