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So I did the maths and seems I am the impatient one. The autos seeds were soaked and popped end of Jan (around the 26th to 28th I think). Then pistils started in March (around a months time), usually my photoperiods are around week 3 into flower when they start to push lots of pistils. So by now the plants have been in flower for approximately 10 weeks and end of this coming weekend (Mothers day weekend) will be 11 weeks of flower or 15 weeks in total since popping the seeds. That takes us to 105 days roughly from seed to harvest - whether they will even be ready and mature is another question, will check trichomes sometime during this coming week - which will be week 15 for the autos. I must admit, the gelato was a late bloomer but the frost on the gelato looks pretty decent for an auto and it should sparkle nicely once dry and trimmed. The colour on the OG Kush is sexy! The LSD-25 is unique in terms of it's colouring and the pluto cut looks the most boring to be honest and frost is lacking a bit for me. I will post at least one more set of pics before harvest and then once the bud is dry I will take some pics of the bud and post that. I will also try post weight per plant, help give anyone who is interested in growing these autos and idea of what I was able to get out of them. I may consider putting the lights back upto 18 hours for this last week as I no longer have any photoperiods in the tent.

Yes, hard water typically has more dissolved calcium in it. I've always used the soft water GHE nutes. All three come in a soft or hard version, not sure whether the others have any differences though. Sent from my Redmi Note 7 Pro using Tapatalk

You mean soft water has more calcium than the hard water version?

@Marzcanna Interesting, won't go into it too much as it is a bit off topic but it seems it might be more aimed at heat and plant transpiration when moving away from the HID's which generate more heat as well as the older LED tech, possibly the blurple lights and not so much the newer and now common quantum boards / LED strips which run full spectrum LEDs such as the Samsung LM301b/h etc. @The_StonedTrooper Coco has cation sites, part of the reason why one needs to buffer their coco before use to avoid the coco from leaching calcium and magnesium from the nutes / feed you are giving your plants. The calcium and magnesium replace the potassium and sodium which is naturally found in coco, they basically have a stronger bond than the potassium and sodium.

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1ml/L is quite low, I'd say 2ml to 3ml/L, although those plants seem to be on the smaller side and are not happy so perhaps 2.5ml/l and bump up to 3ml/l once they are recovered. I assume those are 20L pots? You could even do a foliar feed, cannot remember if its Grow or Fish Mix which is recommended for the foliar. Feeding with just plain water is fine if you are in a pinch, but long term it is a no no! If life is busy, give the plants a little bit of water to keep them alive and prevent them from drooping (perhaps 1L per pot) and then later that day or the next day do a proper feed with the usual 2L to 3L of feed per 20L pot. As mentioned, it is important to properly water your medium to prevent it from drying out too much - which would affect the microbes but more importantly will make it difficult to rehydrate the soil properly again. Even with coco, which is much better at absorbing liquid compared to soil, it can be a slow and difficult process to fully saturate the medium again and prevent the feed from finding channels and running through the medium as opposed to wetting the entire medium. Overwatering is a thing, but IMO seldom happens. If anything I feel most growers end up underwatering as they get scared off by people on forums always telling them to not overwater. Don't water your plants if the top of the soil is still wet basically, unless you know what you are doing, and you should be fine.

As per the Adidas slogan, Just Do It! Nike could probably learn a thing or two from the three stripe company, BMW, ///M Make a plan if you can, it will be worth it.

We'd need a bit more info. So FF soil, bio bizz nutes and some teas. So what biobizz are you feeding them and at what dose and how often - also what do you put in your teas and how often do you feed the teas? I assume you do not PH your feeds at all?

I have to disagree with you there. Based on my personal experiences, I did not notice any improvement in terpenes / flavour of bud grown with organic ferts vs bud grown with synesthetic ferts. I'd love to be able to do a side by side grow, same cut and then send samples from both plants to a lab for testing and see what the results say.

I agree, the world is over populated. Ultimately things are done for profit, the issue stems from capitalism I feel. As long as there is the benefit of some people being better off than others and in a way having more power than others by doing these things which are not always good for the environment and Earth, they will continue to do so. It applies to many different industries though and stems much further than synthetic nutes and I feel the synthetic nutes are the least of our worries. Your statement of synthetic nutes not being available at all, well, it is a bit harsh and there are loads of other things which should be "banned" before synthetic nutes are. I strongly disagree with you on your statement that organic grows lead to better quality bud over synthetic. Based on my experience, this is far from the case. As Prom has mentioned, there are also a looot of other factors which will play a far bigger role in the end result of your grow than the medium or nutrients being used. @ORGANinc. I agree with most of what you say, although I have never experienced any pops or cracks from my bud - be it the organic or synthetic grows. Sounds pretty dodge to me. We do need to keep in mind that many people who grow cannabis to sell, regardless of what nutrients and medium they use... there is a lot of other things they use and do which I feel can be dangerous and not good for the end users, however I believe it is done because it is cheap and easy. Ultimately, the wrong reason to do it. I am not saying everyone who grows to sell does it, but there are growers out there who simply do not give a fuck and do it anyways. I strong disagree with some of the things they do and I likely do not even know the half of it. When we think about it, the same happens with pretty much any other illicit substances out there as well, being cut and containing adulterants. Knowing where your weed comes from is a big pro and the best way to do this is to grow it yourself! Or know the person who grows it, perhaps they're a friend of yours who you know well and can trust. Alcohol consumption, as well as cigarettes both offer no medicinal benefit but can be addictive. Both lead to multiple deaths, although I think alcohol more than cigarettes. Ultimately, I want to try get the point across that when it comes to going cannabis for oneself. There is no right or wrong decision as to whether to make use of synthetic nutes or organic nutes. One is not better than the other. One is not safer than the other. It really comes down to personal preference and I feel all growers should do grows with both to experience the difference themselves and make up their mind themselves and not going with the flow of what others out there are saying. Also making use of some natural / organic aspects of growing and combining it with synthetic nutrients I feel offers a very good solution to very happy plants with great growth and good yields as well as excellent top notch bud. I know a lot are against this and feel that synthetic nutes is like taking alcohol or bleach to bacteria, although based on my experience this is far from the case.

So I finally got around to having a read, the nitrate issue is more for drinking water though - this is where big commercial farms play a role - excess nutes running off into rivers, dams, wells etc. I do agree that a change towards more organic and natural ways, or simply a reduction in the amount of fertilizers being used would be more ideal. However costs and effectiveness play a big role as we are talking about our food supply here. For us home growers, quantities are tiny and typically the run off would not end up in rivers and dams and such, also water treatment plants I would like to think should be removing most if not all of the nitrates. It is no secret that water facilities in some first world countries are shocking and there is a reason a lot of people only drink bottled water - in SA our tap water is actually pretty good in comparison to many other places. I'd still recommend a filter though, something I have been wanting to get for myself but have not yet. In terms of nitrates in plants, there is this article: https://fluence.science/science-articles/should-growers-be-concerned-about-nitrate-content-in-plants/ As for that chapter 5, I did not read it all but had a brief read through the first few pages. Once again it seems to tie back to the long term effect of the way most commercial farmers do things, which certainly leaves room for improvement. A combination of natural ways with supplementation should be reached first, inorganic / synthetic nutrients certainly have their place and advantages as they are immediately available to the plants and if a deficiency is noticed in crops, it can be treated and remedied much faster than an organic approach. Once again, we are talking about changes will may effect our food supply. Shortage of food is a big issue and leads to higher prices, increased farming costs or reduction in yield once again effect the price and supply. This naturally has a knock on effect on our economy. I am not sure farmers will get to a point where they can win, everyone wants food and needs food and they need to try achieve the best yield possible to maximize their profits and to ensure they can help reach the required supply and at the lowest cost possible. Moving away from synthetic nutes will take time and will likely be costly and once again likely effect the supply. However it still leads to issues of pests and weeds affecting crops. I do not see it as much of an issue or concern as some members have commented. Referring to synthetic nutes as a poison, well, if you want to go that far then really there are other substances which we consume which are far worse. It is a similar concept and fight as the one we currently have going on with vehicles and fuel, it is not good for the environment and we all know it yet I am sure majority if not all of us here make use of cars which consume petrol or diesel. We also all eat food, I doubt many if any members here are able to avoid foods which were grown with synthetic nutes - it isn't very realistic or viable at the moment for majority of the popular to do so. Processed foods would typically all come from sources where the plants were grown with synthetic nutes. In that regard, it becomes a bit contradictory. Cannabis is consumed in multiple ways, mostly by heating it up though. Smoking is not good for us, period. I really feel the dislike towards synesthetic nutes being used for cannabis is blown out of proportion, especially for us home growers. It really is not nearly as bad as some like to think. In the bigger scheme of things, change is certainly needed - but in the even bigger picture there are many other things where a big change is once again needed.

This is ultimately what it comes down to. You can lead a horse to water but cannot force it to drink.

Don't want to keep spamming Totemic's picture comments, however I do agree to a point. The sugarcane does not produce big buds, infact so far all of the very frosty In House Genetics strains I have run have without a doubt been some of the most frosty strains but the bud size is smaller than other strains I have run. With that being said though, the frost of the Sugarcane is by far the best and most impressive. Pictures I have taken do not do it any justice, gotta see it in person to truly appreciate it. It is an Instagram worthy strain in terms of frost. I actually feel bad trimming the sugar leaves as they're covered in just as many trichomes as the bud is! So far it certainly appears that the frost comes with one having to sacrifice bud size. Big buds are nice, but, gotta break them apart to get them to fit into the grinder anyways. haha Not something I am particularly bothered with, I happily smoke the popcorn buds as well. Ain't nothing wrong with them.

Showmax, bleh! Would be nice to get a copy of the full version to watch it.

Glad they sorted you out. I purchased a tent from them and the service was excellent! This was earlier in the year though.

I think we should burn our plants, not water them. Haha Sent from my Redmi Note 7 Pro using Tapatalk

Without a doubt, if it works for you then stick to it. There are multiple ways to grow cannabis, gotta find the way which works best for you. There will often be varying opinions, from a manufactures point of view or a businesses point of view, they want to make money and often whatever leads to them making more money is the better option (for them). So feeding high doses of nutes consistently, paying high prices for products which are created to make you think they are better, changing out your medium after each grow, buying a light which leads you to believe it is better, products marketed to do x but really do not do much and offer low value for money. The cannabis industry is full of such products and manufacturers unfortunately. Marketing is extremely powerful, get it right and other people start to do the marketing on your behalf and we all know that a person recommending a product is generally better than the company recommending their own product. For example, me recommending Bio Bizz and having no ties to them would be better than a retailer recommending it or the company itself. A lot of new people have been getting into growing and the industry over the past few weeks with the legalization in the states and the change in SA. Soil and organics is whats most popular at the moment and is pushed heavily by a lot of people and companies. At the same time, the way in which most people grow, the potential benefits I feel are not entirely there, but the extra costs involved certainly are. You get stubborn people everywhere. Some growers still swear by HID, others have come from HID and moved over to LED and swear by LED now. Some feel higher temps (30C) in a tent are fine, others prefer cooler temps to help keep the terpenes in tact. Some believe the higher temps don't or won't affect the bud and the end result. Some people feel they can tell when a plant is ready to be harvested simply by looking at the plant with their bare eyes, others know that is not the case. Basically, there is a lot of info out there. Not all of it is true. There are possibly somethings we may think are true and at a later point in time we may all be surprised and find out it is infact not true - who knows. Still lots of research to be done. A lot we all need to learn, I do not care how long you have been growing for, there is still more to be learnt. When it comes to organic and synthetic, they both have their place and without synthetic fertilizers we'd likely have issues with food supply and have a shortage of food. As I have said, pros and cons to both. Organic and natural is also not all that it is made out to be, without a doubt they have their downsides as well. I do feel the world needs to move towards more sustainable practices, especially on a commercial level as really you cannot compare us home growers to commercial farms. Ironically, more sustainable practices could even come in the form of genetically modified crops and/or mutations of the crops.

So you're saying flushing should happen only if one is using synthetic nutes but when using organic nutes it's fine not to flush? Reusing the same medium, I do not see why not. You want to rinse the medium though to get rid of the nute build up so you can start clean with balance nutrients. Lets use hydro as an example, water is the medium. You out nutes in there with say an NPK of 3.3.3 and the plant will consume nutes in different quantities. Over time you may end up low on nitrogen in the water but still have plenty of potassium. So the balance of the nutes are now all over the place. It's easier to scrap the res and start fresh with new "balanced" ratio of nutes. We all know excess nutes can cause issues as can an insufficient levels of nutes. Lead to lock out, toxicity, burn and deficiencies etc. This happens with organic nutes as well and with soil too. I just toss the fabric pots in the washing machine with some washing machine detergent. There is a rinse cycle. I wouldn't use washing machine detergent to clean the pots. If you have a glass of hot water, add a lot of salt and it will dissolve. That now becomes a solution. Leave that glass of water out to dry out and you'll be left with salt at the bottom of the glass. This is basically what happens and why you see the nute build up on the side of the fabric pots. Add water to the glass and the salt will dissolve again, same with the nute build up on the side of the fabric pots. There is nothing dodgy or dangerous going on when this happens. Not sure what health concerns you have with synthetic nutes? You've likely consumed loads of products where the plants were fed with synthetic nutes. What is the difference between an organic nutrient and a synthetic nutrient? What defines what an organic or synthetic nutrient is? Sent from my Redmi Note 7 Pro using Tapatalk

Extracting straight to glycerin, if possible, is not a bad idea. Create a big batch, send it in to be tested to know the potency / strength and then create your edibles from that according to the strength you're wanting.

I have always understood that one typically wants to flush before harvest and you do not feed after flushing. Flushing has its use and purpose if you fucked up and fed the wrong nutes or waay too much or at the incorrect PH and it can cause damage / harm to your plants. For example, feeding some nute solution with an EC of 4.0, that can cause some serious damage to the plants. You've already fed it to your plants and shit, now what? A flush can help, get rid of the nutrient solution in the medium to then replace it with a nutrient solution which is safe for your plants. Although this would be done at any point in the growth cycle and not specifically at the end of the grow just before harvest. I feel a lot of this misinformation was spread about due to the fact that back in the day, a few decades ago, information was not as common as it is now and research was not done on cannabis as it is now. People have to play around and things were done with trial and error for the most part and you used what you had available to you. The amount of cannabis specific products were little to none and then trying to get your hands on what was available was likely very challenging and possibly expensive. Now we're getting onto the topic of flushing though and not organic vs synthetic.

I gotta disagree with you here. Plants have a limit as to how much nutrients they can consume / take in and most of the time when we're feeding plants we tend to feed more than they need and overtime the nutrients can build up in the medium (soil, coco, hydro - whatever). Plants will take the nutrients they require, which means an imbalance can occur in the medium. Flushing will clear the medium of nutrients, not the plant. However a flush can lead to the plant being starved due to the lack of nutrients now available in the medium. However whatever the plant has previously taken up to grow and create the leaves and bud will remain there. EDIT: Actually, a quick reference can be made to this link here: https://www.rxgreentechnologies.com/rxgt_trials/flushing-trial/ Go to the section "Mineral Content of Flowers at Harvest" They even have some nice graphs showing the mineral content with different durations of a flush. It is kind of all over the place. Some nutrients are found in lower concentrations with no flush compared to when the a flush was performed. Ultimately, a lot more research I feel needs to be done still. Also a flush can be done regardless of whether you're feeding organic or synthetic nutes. Excess nutes can be fed in both scenarios.

I have never looked into it myself, however I would imagine you'd want to start with a source of THC (or CBD) where you know how potent a gram (or mg) is. Then work out the dosing accordingly. Not sure what medium it would need to be in though, such as butter, oil, hash, dab etc.

Link to the flushing data which is being referred to: I like to wash my fabric pots between grows incase there are spores of mold or something, help keep things clean but I have simply reused them after a grow. I assume you want to make reference to the nutrients which are sometime visible on the fabric pot from the nute solution getting on the fabric and then drying? I personally do not like reusing my coco, however I know many do reuse theirs. I did not like reusing my soil either, but ideally you should actually reuse soil as that is part of how one builds it up - continue adding to it. Reusing coco and/or soil, if there are pathogens or spores, it can cause issues and complications with the next grow. How likely that is to happen though, who knows. Also easier not having to reuse it as its never as light and fluffy after the plants roots have had their way with the medium.

The veg plants i water by hand every 2 to 3 days typically, depends on when it dries out. Sometime I leave them a bit longer as the coco still have quite a bit of moisture in it. The flower plants are automatic watering system which is the Blumat carrots, so as the coco dries out they get more nutes. I never water until run off (not on purpose at least). I do not flush either.

@CreX I agree with you on that one. A combination of both organic and synthetic is actually what I do as well and feel it works best. Coco with synthetic nutes but organic / natural additives such as mycorrhizal fungi, trichoderma and some other additives which help support microbe life such as molasses based products and of course microbe incoulants. I know many say and feel the synthtic chemicals and ferts kill the microbes and such, however I have noticed a difference for the better when using these compared to a grow without them. One should not see either method / preference as inferior or better. Both have pros and cons. Is Indica better than sativa? Is an SUV better than a sports car? Is white a nicer colour than black?