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If you have the same cutting / pheno as the pics of that Banana Hammock bud I would be interested in doing a trade with you? Perhaps drop me a PM if you are interested.

@CoolJ my controller is very similar to that, it just does not have the time or Trans T but seems to have the rest of the features. Also 10 speed settings and can set it to adjust the fan speed based on temp or RH. Keen to see some pics once your fan and controller land!

I am in no way defending synthetic nutes or against organic nutes and ways of growing - however there are quite a few things being said here without any links to the actual soruces. There are pros and cons to everything, sometimes what we expect is better or good can actually be detrimental to the environment - such as natural flavourings vs artificial flavourings. End of the day, they are the exact same compound once refined but the source of where the "pre cursors" came from is what determines whether it is classified as natural or as artificial. There are natural flavourings which are just not good for the environment. Now back to the topic on hand. I think we can all agree that ultimately we still know very little about cannabis and how to achieve the best results from it, lots of learning still happening and even a lot of incorrect information going. Flushing being one of them, there have been recent studies that point towards the fact that flushing does not make a difference (it's soo small, it can not be classified as a substantial difference). If anything, the data points towards the wants which did not have a flush ending up with better bud, a smoother smoke etc. I personally have not noticed difference in taste between my soil grows and coco grows. The difference in high is also not noticeable, far more difference noticeable in the way I have grown it and the time of year, environmental differences and so forth. All of those make a far bigger and noticeable difference than coco vs soil or organic vs synthetic. Until more research is done and it can be proven, how true is it really? It could be placebo or changes in environment. Grow the exact same cutting year round with the same nutes and such and it can differ between grows. Glyphosates (Round up) is a herbicide. The appeal behind it was that crops can be modified to not react to it, so that farmers could spray the fields with it and kill any weeds and such, without affecting the crops. I agree that the evidence points towards it not being good stuff. However if we stay on the topic of genetically modified crops, we will have a vast array of views on it - it is not always a bad thing though, there are benefits to it for sure and when people breed just about anything (dogs, horses, fruit trees, cannabis) we look for certain traits (sometimes in the form of a mutation which is beneficial) and try breed that trait into whatever it is which is being bred. @Naughty.Psychonaut do you have a link to the source of your info regarding the nitrates having these effects? For all we know, it may be a particular fertilizer which is possibly even banned in lots of places or seldom used and the others could be rather safe in terms of consumption. I do agree that the use of fertilizers and how cheap they are and the quantities they are used in is not ideal for the environment. For us home growers, quite a small compared to the loads of commercial farmers who push KGs of nutes to their crops. Commercial farming is at the point where one gets their soil analysed and you get a fully customised chart which states what nutes and how much you need to give every week for each growth phase of the crop. We are all pretty much using a general approach for cannabis and have broken it down into a 3 or 4 stages of growth typically with regards to nutrients, I still feel there is a loooot more research which needs to be done and a lot more which we can still learn about the plant. I do not feel one can say organic is better than synthetic or the other way around, it really comes down to personal preference and what you are looking for in terms of growing style. I feel that soil with organic nutes is certainly the meta and what companies are pushing at the moment. If you take a look at grow medium and nutrients and what is most popular, organic is more expensive. Don't be fooled into believing it is better though. There are pros and cons to both.

I started with soil and Biobizz, it works. However I have moved away from that and moved over to coco with synthetic nutes as it just works better for me. Quicker growth, more control and cheaper as well. Sent from my Redmi Note 7 Pro using Tapatalk

Hey, I think mine is the T6 and not the S6 (has temp and rh probe and control). I love it though, the older ones were DC motors and had the smps, the newer ones use EB motors and ac straight from the wall. The EB motor seems to be more powerful and at full speed is louder and seems to move more air compared to the older DC version, so I run my EB fan lower than my DC one. The price will put most off though, understandably so. If the price was lower it would be far more appealing and I feel a very popular fan choice as its very quiet too. Sent from my Redmi Note 7 Pro using Tapatalk

Yeah, sometimes. Finding the right pheno from Ethos, in my experience, has proven to be quite a challenge. Seems one needs to purchase multiple packs of seeds. A lot of what I have tried from Ethos has been a bit disappointing and just overhyped in general. Never found that keeper pheno unfortunately.

Will be cool to see a collection of cannabis bonsai plants with these mutations.

The Banana Hammock looks pretty decent, is the one you're growing now is a cut from the one which produced the buds in your picture?

So what do you have which can be used to take photos? I assume your phone? What phone is it?

Oh boy! How can one not be excited with all those prizes lined up.

That is incorrect, the duration of light will determine whether the plants will be in veg or flower. What I meant is that a few led bulbs won't be sufficient for a plant to thrive during flowering and your yield will be affected negatively. It's worth a shot, however I'd recommend spending a bit of money on a proper grow light to assist with flowering to ensure you get some quality bud. Seedlings and veg plants don't require much light, different story when the plant goes into flower though. Sent from my Redmi Note 7 Pro using Tapatalk

Not sure how well that'll work for flowering, but should be alright to veg some plants. Sent from my Redmi Note 7 Pro using Tapatalk

Wow, blast from the past this thread is! Glad you finally got some bud, I assume you will be giving it another shot after winter? Drop me a PM in about a months time and I may be able to help you out with some seeds for your post-winter grow - if you want to do one

8 weeks is a short flowering time, although ultimately you need to be able to check the trichomes as mentioned. A loupe or microscope works well. I somehow doubt it is ready for harvest only 8 weeks into flower as very few plants would be and typically they'd be more indica dominant strains.

Man, someone needs to host a bring n braai up here in Joburg.

Some updates on some of the plants still in the tent... The one Sugarcane I still have going, this one went into flower quite a while after the others. Here is the Bananium, don't think I have posted pics of it in flower yet. How do you guys think it looks in comparison to the Sugarcane? It has not been given the attention it deserves, but very keen to grow it out again and see what it can really do! When I get a chance, I will try take some pics of the bud which is dry and trimmed so you guys can see - will be the Exodus Cheese and LSP next in terms of bud pics.

So these auto's are taking their time to finish flowering, checked the trichomes last night with a microscope and still lots of clear, a little bit of milky but pretty much no amber at all. I will likely look at harvesting them at the end of April, first week of May latest. LSD-25: Pluto Cut: Gelato: OG Kush, I still think it's such a beautiful looking plant:

I believe Vossloh Schwabe do make good SMPS / LED drivers / power supplies. Meanwell also make some great units, I think Meanwell are slightly larger though and they focus more on power supplies in general. VS is not just power supplies. So as suspected, InDorSun make lights in general and not just grow lights, based on their facility one can imagine what sort of overhead costs they have and this will once again affect the pricing. We all know Grow Lights do not sell as quickly as consumer lights which go into a house, so lower volume with higher markup. So take into consideration the labour force behind this factory and the quantity they put out, vs a factory in China which is supplying multiple countries with products and suddenly one can see how something manufactured in China can be an advantage when it comes to pricing. A light not being manufactuered in SA but being assembled in SA - you receive the parts in SA and then they are simply assembled and depending on the quantity it could be done by as few as a single person, although there may be a few more. Therefore labour costs are much lower and little to no big machinery is required either. Would have been nice if they powder coated / anodized the light instead of trying to paint it. The specs received / stated I assume are a mistake though, doubt 188 umol is all the light puts out when run at its "max". I do not feel these are bad lights, however value for money I do feel they are lacking in that department. At the same time, I do not feel one can classify it as a premium light and therefore justifying the price tag is quite difficult, especially when you can get 240W, 576x LM301B diodes, dimmer and all that jazz for around the same price (or even less) depending on where you buy it from. Fit and finish in my experience is even above that of the Comet light. Now that is value for money when a comparison is made.

Sorry guys, not much to update on here - just harvesting as plants are maturing. Do not have much left in the tent anymore. Some dry bud pics, I always struggle to take nice bud pics though and these are not the best but hopefully help give you guys an idea. Frost on all 3 is pretty good, particularly the sugarcane (duh) and frosted apricots. Slurricane is also frosty but I feel a tad less than the other two. These are not macro photos, just taken with a cell camera and then cropped. These are also not the biggest buds / colas, just reached into the jar to take out what I could get. I will admit that weight wise, none of these 3 are exceptional yielders but not terrible either. I have had other plants yield less. They also do not produce huge colas, unlike the cheese and LSP which I grew this time around. You can click on the picture to open it and zoom in a bit too. Sugarcane: Slurricane: Frosted Apricots:

@Dookie69 What spectrum are the LM301B diodes on the InDorSun light? You can see the light is more of a neutral / cool white compared to the Mars lights which are more of a warm white, I am guessing around 3500K?

Interesting, 590W in a 1.2 x 1.2 tent is quite a bit. I feel you could get away with a bit less, but more isn't necessarily a bad thing - just may decrease efficiency in terms of watts per gram a bit. How do you plan on using the far red, considering it is switchable? Does it come with any instructions or any advice on how the far red works and the benefits etc. etc?

Sweet, will make life easier but may be expensive. It will help to kill bugs & eggs which may remain on the bud after harvest and can assist with PM as well if you have had some. Let us know how it goes.

I think it is more likely that it is a spam bot creating those "reviews" and not an actual person. Speak to BnB, I am sure they can check the IP and see which country it originated from and if its the same IP or not and do a bit of an investigation and possibly get some spam protection built into the comments / review section.

You're wasting your time (and possibly money) by trying to use a phone to gauge the output of your grow lights. Unfortunately you gotta fork out money and get a proper quantum sensor if you want accurate readings. If the readings are not accurate or consistent, then it's really a complete waste of time and you might as well eye ball it and guesstimate as that is what you are doing anyways. A phone has a sensor which is used mostly to turn the screen off when you put the phone to your ear and to adjust the brightness of the phones screen, it is not designed to be able to accurately measure grow lights - which are generally far bright than the average house light as well. The sensor being used will vary from phone to phone, some may even have different sensors on the same phone model due to supply issues during manufacturing. You get some cheaper chinese ones if you do not want to fork out for a nice Apogee, however make sure it is sine corrected at least. If you are spending a couple thousand on a Quantum Sensor, might as well spend a bit more and get an Apogee... Keep in mind though that there is a difference between their original sensor and the newer, "full spectrum" sensor and some grow lights will require the full spectrum sensor to provide more accurate results due to the wavelength output of the grow lights (over 700nm). You could get away without the full spectrum one, but just know that the results may not be as accurate but if you want to setup your tent to try get an even output it will likely suffice and save you some money (approx $200).

I must admit, it does look really cool in the heat treated rainbow colour.