Naughty.Psychonaut

Ahoooy TART POPS my brother! hahah nah but that OKC is a winner, I'd vote that one too! to me, between the OKC and TP, I would have to go with the TP, but only for personal reasons I grew a sour lemon OG by emerald triangle seeds like 3/4 years ago (swamis selections) I can still smell in some of my jars. explosive terps, but I grew so much of it that anything citrus puts me off these days. when talking sweet terps there's two overtones, citrus and the "cookie/gelato" sweetness the SSC run I did, the C stands for cookies, has the charactaristics of cookies/gelato, very sweet, but I can see after this I'll be giving the cookies/gelato stuff a break. I need some chemical savoury garlic gas in my life right now. a large group of people saying gelato/cookies fucked the whole gene pool cause of the genetic bottle necking, majority of hybrids today is a cookies/gelato cross. Cookies / gelato basically the same thing. I say the consensus speaks for itself. They got the original GSC and G33 cuts too, good options. A good mix of zesty citrus sweetness with a nice gelato / cookies balance would be the Blue Sherbet.... the thing with Dagga Farmacy, they make it too good for us, too much to choose from then it becomes blurred

Awe brother, hope and trust all is well on your side. Don't change anything now, autos don't like to be bothered at all. Your best shot now is to just get the feeding right. Autos you stunt once and they show you the finger, but for future reference.... The 3 part mix is usually 1:1:1 - peat:drainage:wormcastings. First I wana touch on the wormcastings, cause I see you put potting soil instead. When buying worm castings you gotta be a bit snobby, cause 95% of commercially available WC will have sand and some kinda "filler" mixed in to fill more bags. Anything that's available in bulk at commercial retailers will lack on the side of quality, cause they pushing for quantity and serving only the unknowing masses. I make my own WC so I know what I work with, but in my days of buying it, you get one kak batch and it will fuck your view of the stuff. Since building my own soil with my own 100% pure WC my organic living soils been pumping faster than some peoples hydro setups. Now you gotta know, if just the quality og worm castings put in can make such a big difference, there's obviously a HUGE drop in quality when you talk about nutrient availability in WC and potting soil... Potting soil...... eh..... I get nauseous when I have to talk about it. My passion is rare plant collecting, got a big greenhouse with some extremely rare plants. Been on it for up to 15 years now, learnt the hard way that potting soil is detremental to most plants. Double Grow, Reliance, Red Tracktor, Cultera, ALL OF THEM fall under this umbrella. Any generic potting soil will lead you "van die wal af in die sloot". I haven't bought a bag of potting soil in more than 10 years, that doesn't mean my family stopped with their shit or learnt their lesson by now, still wondering why each and every plant they bring home from the nurseries with a new pot with a fresh bag of potting soil with all the bells and whistles the nurseries make them buy, just instantly dies as soon as they repot them. I mean the answer is in there, just need to not be oblivious to it. I avoid potting soil even for my ornamental plants. For peat I avoid coco unless it's untreated and pre-buffered. Those coco bricks get treated with a sodium based product to compress them into those bricks, if they're unbuffered that sodium starts to affect your soil and you get major ph swings even when you do "organic" feeding. Calcium buffer will help the coco act like soil where it holds onto nutrients otherwise the coco will stay negatively charged with no cation exchange sites, so it'll fill your pots but the nutrients just run straight through or you get nutrient build up from the plant not being able to access it cause it's not breaking down into plant available compounds and then you get root burn and nutrient lock out and and and all the undesired rootzone problems. You can't have buffered peat that's compressed, cause the sodium treatment will undo the calcium buffer, and vice versa - part of the calcium buffer strips the coco of sodium, so you can only really buy untreated coco (extremely rare) or pre-buffered coco. Otherwise if you going for the cheap option you gotta put in the work and buffer it yourself. To skip all that, just get Sphagnum peat. works 1000 times better than coco, never goes negatively charged, no need to buffer, no sodium byproducts and just all around a better option. For drainage, skip perlite and go straight for leca. Endless reasons why, I'd love to tell you all the reasons, but I am sure by now you're getting tired of all the reading. If you want me to give the reasons just say so and I'll drop the info. I hope you're not one to be diacouraged by reading more than 2 or 3 sentences, as with all crafts people enjoy, if you're into something you gotta be into it at least a little and not give only the bare minimum and then expect the best results. more often than not a short snappy response will lead you further from where you need to be, because we all interpret things differently. forums are a thing these days cause people don't always have the time and means to go read a whole book or do deep research on something just to get the 1 single answer you looking for, so a forum allows people to ask a question directly and get a answer directly - hopefully from people who know what they talking about and the majority of the time people don't, they just wana "help" so they throw in their but infact answers to things that has more than one variable will never be direct and short. there are many ways to grow a plant, like these people say seem like your plant is fine and it will obviously grow, but for sure there are "better ways". If you think about it, the very very best grower in the world still tinkers and tweaks his methods to improve what he's doing cause there is always room for improvement, no matter what the level of expertise.

that's crazy!!

that doesn't look like too much brother, I've had way leafier strains, those buds look good from what I can see through the jars. hope you at least enjoying the smoke? did you put them in jars untrimmed? I've seen lots of people doing that lately, but if you think about it, the resin carries the terpenes and all the other fun stuff and the resin is only in the trichomes, so putting any leaf you wouldn't smoke in a jar with a bud that smell will affect your bud. I personally just avoid it, cause I collect my sugar leaf for pressing and if you smell the bag of just sugar leaf already doesn't smell as good as the jars of bud. so I don't want the "not as good smell" drag the "very good smell" down at all. I don't bring anything that doesn't have trichomes on it close to my jars

Hammer on the head the other side is if you got poop genetics doesn't matter what you do condition wise, it's gona come out poop. but you literally get all different creeds of "weed". I've grown incredibly frosty plants that taste horrible, grow the same cut a few times cause I think maybe I fucked it up, but then it comes out like that everytime. I've grown airy buds that have more resin than some dense buds I've grown. I've had super terpy and frosty nugs not make me high at all and I've had buds that don't look too frosty and got no smell got me more goofed than most generic strains... but then I don't enjoy the smoke so it's not like one or the other, it's more like there's a million different ways it can go, you on a tight rope and gotta find that balance by making sure you do many things right. for example, get the right seeds + do what ever you can to improve grow conditions + learn to speak plant so you don't have to wait to already see damage then fix it rather try avoiding damage at all costs, and a few other things. It's a pleasure typing them I can yap about plants and plant people all day. We love to present ourselves with this ethereal positivite force always in a good mood, always spreading postivity always affirming everything and there's no right or wrong way nature works in balance, that's the whole point. we have good and bad, right and wrong and even more than that we have a spectrum of how right and how wrong. here is a photo I came across on the internet, some of my friends will have their jars filled with buds like these and that's perfectly fine for them, their priorities lies elsewhere, again not saying it to be mean, it just is what it is. people who get offended by the truth needs to accept and conform to the truth so they can be in a better mental state. People smoke leaf with no resin on. fuck knows why, I think it comes from a time being short of weed and now wanting to smoke as much as possible. and as they say, "beauty lies in the eye of the beholder" and some dudes just don't mind a woman with extra baggage to answer your question, I would say 1st thing to worry about is genetics for sure, almost just as important is light, stuff like a light leak may make you think you got herm genetics, but it's just a condition flaw. Weak light, insufficient light, wrong colour spectrum will all have you produce poooo. Like on a colour spectrum wheel, you have opposite ends, you can put the very best grow light on one end and on the other end you put a 10w CFL bulb, it's quite obvious that the cfl grow will produce the airiest fluffiest shittiest non smokable twig and leaf looking nonsense bud, where the grow with the decent light will already put you way ahead of the other grow. but then you can have the best genetics, best light, but you run your humidity too high you can suffocate and stunt growth on the plants, may get a few nice buds. but again you gona think the genetics is kak if you don't get a good expression, cause of conditions. so yeah, a fine line of many different things you have to balance, not one or the other

Hi brother I just love cannabis and everything around it, all that was mentioned and then also good time management. I know a lot of people that would much rather go for a few beers than to finish their trimming.... and a whole lot of other stuff not trying to beat around the bush, but it just is what it is. I already know some old cats gona get suuuur gat when I say this, cause the cannabis industry revolves around status points and obviously no one would ever be able to know more than these older growers, same as the weed back in the day being soooo much stronger than we have today I strongly discourage talking to people over the age of 45 about growing. I talk to some "serious seasoned growers" and they bombard me with questions before I am finished answering one question they wana ramble off the next just trying to "catch me out" or some school yard nonsense. Majority of people who get into weed is cause they like smoking it. I am not a weed guy, I am a plant guy. My background is in horticulture, permaculture, botany and mycology. That's what I do in my spare time. I am so fucked in the head by plants that's all I do all the time, so to me the plant is soooooo much more than just the cannabis we smoke. I will talk and have long form discussions about it day in and day out, and not just the cannabis part, the rest of the plant too. As soon as the person I am talking to takes the "I'm gona teach this guy a lesson" approach, they start talking to themself. I am not into cannabis to be cool or to be the best, I just honestly love working with plants. Trimming cannabis, to me, is a huge pleasure, I take extra time to investigate and do things most people would consider a waste, but to me that just shows a person validating their own preconceptive laziness. For example - I run living soil that I build and maintain myself, but when I talk about it every second comment is "that sounds like a lot of work" or "you do too much, I only do this..." and best of all is I never even ask, they just feel the need to chime in. As things are right now I am looking for ways to better what I do, I wana do more, cause the amount of work I put in, is already done. when doing real living soil you literally doing the least out of every method of growing, it just takes work to get there. once you there it's almost no work, so when a "serious grower" wana tell me I do too much, they can go fuck a hobo. but yeah genetics make a big difference too, I would trim for others too, not a big deal to me don't even have to reward me with weed but I would never say no, just don't accept payment for it. I got only one rule, I will not trim shitty weed. I grow a plant that's too leafy/airy for my liking I just cut all fan leaves that don't have trichomes and the rest goes in the hash bags. So yeah genetics can make the biggest difference there, and then you can add to that the fact that a 1st time grower realistically faces the possibility of growing a top tier genetic and it coming out airy and leafy cause of grow tech and all that, even seasoned growers run into this when they still figuring new genetics out. Harvesting a healthy plant over a sub par or unhealthy plant can determine the trim job aswell, have had failed plants just go straight into hash bags, covered in trichomes but bud forms was off, cause I fucked up the grow, then grow that same pheno and produce nice rock solid nuggs, those I trim hope this wasn't too much of an answer

you mean bloom during veg as it shows on the schedule? I think the schedule shows just bloom phase, those 1st two weeks on the schedule that shows no bloom is still during bloom, as your plants still stretches. common to know there is a uptic in N uptake during first 2 weeks after flip, cause the plant doesn't get 12/12 yesterday and the next day it's in full bloom. doesn't work like that. so giving bloom the 1st day after flip wouldn't make sense as the plant only demands more K and P at around end of week2 - week 3 of flower when you see the pistil pompoms form. if you think about it, if the biobizz schedule shows only 2 weeks for veg biobizz has never grown a cannabis plant, wouldn't make sense. veg feed with biobizz you need to alternate, give just grow, then just fish then just clean water. not feed every single time, you need to have clean waterings. plus you need both compounds in the fish and the veg during veg, so don't give just fish or just grow. alternate, and do clean waterings. when you ending week 2 moving into week 3 you start introducing bloom, cut the fish completely, just use grow now as it has all the molasses you need to keep microbial activity at a high during flower and the fish which is N steroids would no longer be needed, now you alternate like this - bloom+grow, then just bloom, then just water, then bloom+grow, then just bloom, then just water.

Shot bud, I've grown about 5 different cheese strains, with only about 3 slight variations, but for sure different charactaristics with a cheese "overtone". I am doing a favour for a grower with a big open space that keeps quite a bunch of mothers, he wants to build up a library of cheese cuts to work with, not really looking for "the best one". I completely agree about there being much better stuff to grow and people protecting the black market cuts. I've told him that too, but it's not really relevant to him right now. He popped some cheese seeds none of them got any charactaristics that would resemble anything cheese related. I gave him the SC cut from dagga farmacy, blew him away, and we smoked some big buddha, he wanted to get his hands on that cut too and a couple days later he asked what cheese cuts I can get my hands on. so I just said I'll throw out the question and see what happens. Cause I know I've heard about at least 10 different "amaaaaazing" cheese cuts on this site alone, not really out here looking for the best thing to grow or even the best cheese to grow.

Been smoke testing them all this past week, verging on 3weeks cure now things are starting to speak up. Clear winner #4. Extremely resinous, and I don't mean trichome count. Resin is something inside the trichome. Trichomes themself don't make you high. Looking at one singular mature trichome the stalk and outer layer of resin head is basically a mix of pure celluloce and silica. The resin inside the resin head contains the tetrahydrocanabinol in all different forms and qualities. All 5 these SSC cuts had about the same trichome production/count, yet only #4 fucked my scissors to the point where I had to clean between every second or third bud or else the scissor will get stuck. You can draw your own conclusions with that information, clearly a lot more can and should be said, but for now here's the report. 1st Rundown - 10 to 12 weeks flower, had different expressions across 5 phenos, 1st plant to finish on week 10 but the rest clearly had to go longer, 2 plants harvested a week later and another 2 plants harvested on week 12. 5 plants in 1 year mature living soil built with my own worm castings and a shit ton of ongoing KNF treatments (FPJ, FPE, FFJ, FFE, LABS, SST, JMS and more) unfortunately not no till as each plant got their own 30L pot, so I had to disturb when loading pots. 5 different phenos warrent individual pots to avoid root zone competition and get a fuller expression of charactaristics. If I do a monocrop I will run a bed. Alternating between worm piss from my worm tower and clean water. One single topdress last week of veg. Jamies Elemental blend + Bat guano + Micronized Calcium. Total weight = 365g GPW = 1.2 #1 - 69g Gelato/Cookies terps. For the bulk suppliers this would be your pick on bag appeal alone. #2 - 77g Fruity/Floral terps with a hidden Gelato sweetness, but the least cookies leaning pheno of the bunch. #3 - 65g Straight Cookie sweet terps, most compact/smallest out of the bunch, really nice structure, rock hard dense buds. #4 - The keeper. 74g Chemical/Gas terps hit you right in the face, with a lingering cookie sweetness, heavy flavour covers the whole inside of your mouth, can't smoke enough of her. I prefer green weed over purple too, may be a placebo by now, but purple is a turn off. This bud sticky as fuuuug. #5 - 80g biggest yielder. Straight up and down Cookie terps all the way. Additional info - Have not processed any of the buds cause they're all good enough to smoke just the way they are. Trim got stuck in the bag, wouldn't fall out even when I shake the bag upside down open. got it on video for those who wana see. Took 40g of the trim to the press, got 4.5g 1st press and 3.6g on the second press. Total of 8.1g from 40g trim gives me a fat 20% return on the trim alone on par with some of the best bud. Pressed Peanut Butter Breath buds, got a 25% return so I know it goes higher, but 25% is about maxing it out for now, I've heard about 30% returns, just haven't worked with it before. All videos of the trim/press/rosin and what what will be thrown up on my instagram page. ethnobotany.winelands

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Hi @Jacquesd183 hope all is well on your side The black is a presence of Anthocyanins, they show up in times of stress, more so light stress. (not the light you put on, I mean light as in -not heavy-) usually it's more related to cold weather. when the temperatures of your grow space go below a certain °C it'll throw out Anthocyanins. Some other triggers too, such as root zone problems. Nature, as things naturally happen, shows more rapid growth during summer/spring when things are warmer. When things cool down, they also slow down. Obviously this means, less watering, and you have to add the fact that there will be less evaporation during cold, so anything that's wet stays wet for longer. If that's the case you also have to reduce feeding as you can very easily over feed a plant that's on a slow mo mode. From what I can see all I can say is - I think it may be root zone related. That doesn't narrow it down too much really, because I can still be wrong. The thing is with plant diagnosis', even if you see something you're 100% sure of what it is, it's next to impossible to ever just see a plant once and make a diagnosis without the right information on the background. Like when a person goes to the GP, you don't run in and they hit you with a box of pills and then you good. It doesn't work like that. You sit with the GP and he will ask "Ok, so what got you here, did you eat something and then get sick? Did you run around in the cold rain for too long? Did you take any medication? Did you get bitten by something? Did you...... bla bla bla whatever they ask. Cause the immediate history, or the more current events surrounding "the problem" will give all indication as to what the proper diagnosis would be. Same with your plant, you have to tell us what you doing to get it there. Why you saying Nitrogen, like what is making you say that? You being heavy handed with nutes? You gotta tell us what you feed, how often you feed, how much per feeding. What soil/medium you growing (organics and synthetics are worlds apart, issues and diagnosis' are all different) we gotta know all that shit before we can say what you doing wrong there. The reality is that you may see 1 thing, but there are at least 10 or more problems that can show that response and it's the same as with every plant problem. For example, the most common one, is nutrient lock out. People will gooi with the feeding, then see the plant showing deficiencies, so they gooi even more and more nutes. Meanwhile, the roots have burnt and now locked out certain nutes. So it's a catch 22. You'll only pick up on that if you really know what you doing, or if you don't a runoff EC test will tell you if you over feed or under feed. Keeping in mind that EC for organics and synthetics differ again, so here it comes back to what kinda growing you doing there. what nutes you used and how much of it. and we could still be wrong, cause it may be something other than nutrient/root zone related. hows your fan setup? not blowing directly on the plant? environment is key. also, spots that look like they form circles or small seperate "colonies" usually indicate a living thing, such as a fungus. I feel like I almost see a pattern on that leaf with the spots, check out Leaf Septoria. This happens from too much moisture in the air. This ties in with everything else I said, if your soil is too wet too long, gona cause septoria, roots and everything will slow down and cool down and nute uptake will slow down..... yeah.... so you gotta first give us a better run down of what you doing over there. This "guru saw my plant and immediately knew what's wrong" is complete bullshit, the more someone wants to sound like a guru with minimal background the more full of shit they are.

Contact Dagga Farmacy. Natie, the founder, and his son is currently traveling all over SA and with each journey they announce self deliviries or courier options, so they do spread far and wide. Natie is a guru, true to the plant through and through. He's been in this industry longer than most. He's one of the lecturers for Cheeba in many of their courses, he got his fingers in the start up of Qure Analytics, Dagga Famracy is also protected by FOGFA, who's also protected by SAHPRA. Majority of their strains are phenohunted and they always have new stuff they still working through. Dagga Farmacy gotta be one of the most legit clone suppliers in SA. All the other names just come and go, fluctuating reports and strange service situations. They're a family run business, about a 1 min drive from my house, been there more times than I can count. You can contact them and chat with them if you wana know more about the background of their stuff, nothing but love and passion for thw plant there. Here's their current availability list blowing any competition right out the water, and it gets updated weekly, they mean business. You can even buy ready to flower sized plants.

you CPT or JHB side?

We in Kaas Stad, so I know there's a bunch, but besides the SC cut from Dagga Farmacy, anyone on CPT side that's got a different cheese cut? Looking for a Big Buddha or Exodus if possible.

finishing up, last 2 weeks for the 1st to go #2 & #4 first to fade #3 will be next #1 & #5 will be last photo of #4

that's why they say "if you can smell the terps you are loosing the terps"

heheh I mean like the details of the bud, I can't see cz it's so far away and if I could see it up close I still need to see what it looked like 3 years ago too. but nevermind it's just observation, it wouldn't have much of a impact. aaaaah the 9 months, I keep that in mind, it's new info to me, but yeah I knew it was a fine line. I guess, that's probably what the book say, but we all know reality is a bit different, and it's very logical to assume that not every strain will be exactly the same. I have smoked 1 year old weed that tasted better than it did at 5 months. 1 year is more than 9 months, so how could that be? It doesn't correlate with the 9 months thing. I also see you say the 3 yeard old weed also still taste amazing but you also say 9 months is peak then it start decomposing. now I am left scratching my head even more but again, nevermind all that, doesn't have impact on me I'm just making observations and noting them. I do agree that a cure is only for smootheness, not increased terps. In fact the terps reduce, like we all know - they're volatile. so they don't "decompose" they literally "evaporate" the chemical interaction with oxygen, certain temperatures make them release gas into the air and this is what reduces quality. you know that the quality degrades because the terps have evaporated. the trichome glands that used to be clear/milky are all amber now. so basically knowing the 9 month thing people should never cure for over 9 months?

Did I miss the mention if this is organic or synthetic? I can give info till I am blue in the face, I'll just leave it here, but your top soil is where your feeder roots are and the bottom soil is where the drinker roots go. a plant naturally takes more nutrients through the roots closer to the top, because that's how nature works. top soil is where decomposition happens, most life and nutrients in the top soil, so letting top soil dry out is literally just for synthetic hydro growers with inert media. not organic growers. organic growers make a unwanted situation when letting top soil dry out. that's why we use stuff like mulch or cover crops. hydro growers focus on the capilary action of their media, meaning if they bottom water the top should still get wet by soaking the water up all the way and they also cover the tops of their pots to avoid top transpiration so the media doesn't dry out, cause that will cause the nutrients to recrystalise and burn the roots. basically there is never a good time to let soil dry out besides when you over watered. still then you don't let it go bone dry, you let it go to about 50% and then change practice to avoid same problem. Organic growers soil too dry kill microbes and your primary focus in organic growing is microbes. (microbes obviously live where most microbial activity is = top soil) Synthetic growers letting their soil dry out too much risking recrystalising of nutrients. What helps in both situations is watering less, but more frequently. hydro situation flood and drain quicker or let the drips run for shorter time but more frequent. to me it sounds like your brother is hand watering, I do that too, I got 30L pots with mature plants in, they never get more than 500ml water per pot, but that's every day. sometimes less, but never more. Don't wanter a whole lot at once then let it sit like that for a week, that's also damaging. Big up and down fluctuations cause more bad than good, you want a consistent moisture situation in the soil. not soaking and then drying. aim for 50% moisture, keep it there. safer to go on the lower side than the higher side. fixing the water problem will already do a whole lot in fixing the bug issue, but won't resolve it. Just closing the grow room will do wonders too, even besides just the bugs. You need environment to stabilise. leaving a door open too long isn't just attracting bugs. They make tents with viewing windows although I don't use mine, but it's for the purpose of not having to open the grow space when not needed. when you got work to do it's best to just open, do the work and close up. resolving the issue you may need to get yourself some Diatomaceous Earth and topdress with it, cause the reason why you getting those gnats is the soaked soil, but they don't come to eat the soil or just come by to "look at it for the fun of it" they come there to breed and lay eggs. so you gotta worry now about gnat larvae. the flying ones you can catch with sticky traps and some IPM, but even the DE wont help the flying buggers, but your new thing is stopping the larvae from coming out through the soil and starting a new colony. that's probably why you saw it then it got better then worse again, cause you've invited them in, probability of there being nests in your topsoil is already through the roof so yeah. I would say get sticky traps, get DE, fix your watering and keep the grow space closed. if you only half ass it you be asking the same questions next month

one on the right still looks fresh, then again some stuff just naturally already looks like the other two after drying. you perhaps have photos of these from 3 years back so we can compare to this? kinda hars to go oooh or aaah if I am just looking at some weed from a far. maybe a little closer inspection? most important would be trichome quality after 3 years, can't see them like this.

Food for thought - Terpenes are volatile, they will never ever increase from harvest day onwards, doesn't matter what you do, they will always decrease, but they can be expressed better when they're in better ratio to other compounds. You can have the best of the potential expression after a good cure, but it's down to the science, you'd never be able to change mids to top shelf through anything done post harvest. I don't choose it to be like that, science dictates and I just bend to understanding. Terpenes are volatile, by definition that means the terpenes are always evaporating, some conditions make it evaporate faster and some make it slower. That smootheness is all the compounds, along with the terpenes, that has left the plant. bit of a catch22 if you ask me. Anyone can try and argue this however they want, science is science. It's a tight rope balanace of many many things easy and simple way to explain it is - there's 10 boxes and all need to be checked to make the green light go on, if one box is missed the green light will not go on and you can never go from having one or two boxes checked and then change one thing to check all 10 boxes. It basically starts from having a healthy plant, if you harvest a plant that don't look right you already missed the first box and nothing can be done to bring that bud back to giving its best expression. You can easily fall any direction, you want terpenes but you also want less irritation. the cure is basically slowly reducing all the compounds the plant offgasses (along with the terpenes) to the acceptible range for the consumer. as said before, terpenes will never ever increase from harvest day onwards, they will always decrease, but they can be expressed better when they're in better ratio to other compounds. Terpenes are found most notably in beauty products. perfumes and creams. even with topical stuff or whatever, if there's terpenes involved the principle stays the same - a specific consumer who loves lavender will try everything lavender till one day some lavender soap makes their skin itch, could be a new chemical, or sometimes it's the terp the consumer is crazy for but just in the wrong concentration or the wrong ratio to other compounds. one day the same consumer smells something lavender and doesn't like it at all, it's cause the ratio to other compounds, it changes the composition of the notes the terps carry so they hit your senses in an unpleasant way. It's never ever just one thing with plants the more you narrow something down to one specific reason the further away you getting from the answer. You've heard of the 99.99% pure thc amd that stuff? It's cause even solventless rosin fresh off the press isn't pure thc or pure cbd or any of the main cannabis related "things" people think of. There's many many many other compounds in there. now back to a bud... We gotta remind ourselves that when the plant is chopped it doesn't magically loose all the other compounds that make up plant matter. along with a bud you smoking natural lipids, sugars and startches, many different chemicals in many different forms and combinations. The outside shell of a resin gland is almost pure silica, there's less chlorophyll when most of the moisture left as a form N offgas, but there will never be 0% chlorophyll, and there will always be trace amounts of a good number of the compounds on the periodic table and in different combinations and shit (this what we talking bout when saying "entourage effect") there's literally too many compounds for me to know them all by heart, but yeah we tend to think and focus only around the thc/cbd aspects, but that's more with extracts, but still not the only things to focus on. otherwise there would be no oil classification, there would be no high or low quality, there would just be "oil".

if you got a fresh harvest, trim the weed before you get stem snap, (semi dry semi moist) then take a big plastic tote bin, put a black bag in it, moer all the stuff in there. some dudes do this pre trim aswell, so the whole plant basically stem sugarleaves and all go in the bin. then forget about it for a month, make sure to kick it around a couple times. turn the pile, tops to bottom and vice versa. now, most important, once you start trimming, buds don't go in a jar, they go in a bag once the bag is full you push it down to give that brick weed look let it sit compressed like that for another month. you'll have some black market looking weed. that's basically what happens to the indoor you buy before it gets to you.

I'd like to see that too I know old weed just goes darker in colour, the green goes darker and the trichomes all go amber so you get brown weed. Curing weed is quite specific. To cure something doesn't mean long term storage. You can see it with all things that need a cure. Types of alcohol, types of cheese... basically, saying "cure" means you didn't just store it long term. As with everything else, if the cure isn't done right instead of increasing quality it just degrades quality. and then there's the life of the cure, as with everything, it's like riding the rollercoaster to the tippy top and then a sudden dramatic plunge - anything you cure you do "low and slow" like they say "any good cure will take time" BUT as with the rollercoaster, it's a slow climb and the time spent being at the peak of it's quality is just a small window it leaves to consume, if you leave it for any longer even if cure conditions are perfect, the quality will fall dramatically. It'll just go bad and all the time spent on the cure will be lost. I feel, through my experience with it, the difference in 1 year cured weed and 1 month cured weed, the 1month stuff always wins. Tested it at least a hand full of times. Loose terps every single time, but the smoke is smoother. makes sense though, cause terps are locked in the essential oils and lipids in the plant. Less oils and fats = smoothe smoke but that comes with less flavour.

I remember when this forum was lighting up over the prices of the weed, some people singing songs about they get the best of the best for R50/60 and no one should pay more than that I stood firm that most people still paying the old prices of R120-R150, still got retaliated cause people got butthurt about the truth. I hope those 'some' people have taken this time to come to realisation, it seems that way cause instead of giving you the what what on how much you paying you just got a straight answer, has happened so many times on this forum @Sticks I would say it's a mix of all those things. The secret is definitly genetics, though. No two ways about it. I've had genetics push buds that look like black market stuff without me trying, just growing amongst my other plants. It's just genetics. I can link you to one of my very very first grows, I grew a Elvis cut I got from a black market connection, came out like black market looking weed. The photos are on here. One of my earliest threads. Infact, here you go Curing and drying could be a little bit of a factor, only when the genetics are what they should be. Obviously as clear as day if you got airy dark green buds on harvest day the absolute best dry and cure in the world will not make your buds dense and light green. that's just not a thing at all. not in a million years. Genetics - next time you go to the blackmarket dude, try go as high up as you possibly can and talk directly to the bulk buyer, ask for a clone of the stuff you buying you gona get a big fat resounding no. Well, that's if he's worth his weight as a blackmarket business man. Most black market suppliers will be part of a circle or "collective" of friends that share a couple of clones between them. I know a black market supplier, chat with him on a weekly basis, he lives here in my town couple streets away, got a whole house as a grow op, I'm talking 100's of plants on a perpetual cycle, full power all the way no hickups. He's pumping a cheese cut since 2012 that's been kept between the bunch of them and with my close connection he just simply sais No when I ask for a cut. That's what the black market does. Someone gets their hands on a keeper pheno and they see it sells well so they keep it away from the public in order to keep the value and price of that weed higher than the generic stuff. Setting the value margins for the black market. Like, who set that price of R120? What is it based on? If you work out what it cost to grow indoor it comes down to around R30/g. So the mark up could be because of the risk factor, but there's just a big a risk to growing outy. Probably even higher risk, cause it's harder to hide and all that. Indoor is the price it is on the street, cause they protect genetics. Now that's just talking about one cheese pheno, there are literally billions of cheese phenos out there if you account for all pheno variations and all... if you buy a 20 or even a 50 pack of cheese seeds you still wouldn't get the same winner of a unicorn cheese pheno as the one you get by the black market? Cause you're not a black market supplier so you not "in the clique" you not "part of the gang". Don't know it you aware of the "Elvis" and the "Hitler" strains, there's a couple of them, "clone only" strains, cause they don't wana take to STS to be reversed for seeds, cause they been hybridized into oblivion. it's basically just a production plant then, can't reproduce or anything. Elvis you can get the clone of these days, but there's about 10 to 15 different ones out here and literally only 1 winner. to find that 1 is like finding a unicorn. for real. and a couple years back of you asked for a Elvis cut people would just laugh at you, cause they protected it to keep the price high. The same way it is with the Hitler cut today. Saying "black market" is still quite vague, cause the black market produces 90% poopweed and then there's a 10% that will rival any home grower. I don't think any black market supplier would take the time to cure the stuff they sell, they hang to dry, trim and moer in a bag and there you go. Most of the time you get dry weed, but there's a good 30 to 40% of the time you buy weed from the black market you get it still moist as fuck. They're just sloppy. They know it's not all going to sell on the street on day one, still has to trickle down to the singles, so it gives the middle man time to bag the stuff and sit with it for up to a month before selling out, in that time the buds spent in a bag, and we all know a weed in a bag dries out. even in a ziplock. That's basically the burping/curing process. Just unlucky if you get it fresh and still moist, then again like you said, people just don't know better cause I am thinking about 2 different guys I know that refuses to smoke weed that's dried properly they prefer the moist stuff.... I've smoked with them and I give my properly dried and cured weed that smokes like a terp loaded breath of fresh air and they don't like it at all I'm sure I also wanted the "harder hitting" stuff when I first started smoking.

Aaah yeah that response shows a lot that's just like I said, the clones don't have pm when they there in their facility or grow space, cause their IPM just kinda "masks" it, this is why most clone suppliers can claim "mold and pest free clones" though the mold spores are there, they just waiting to get out the pressure area so they can take host. always a thing with taking in new clones, but it helps when you got the ones you like and clone them yourself, will save some money too and potentially some more time. have seen dudes let their clones get big enough that they repot and flip right away, so every cycle is like 8 to 12 weeks max. so if you in charge of the clones and their conditions you can reeeeeally pump those consecutive harvests. also - higher amount of clones = less time to fill the space. like a perpetual S.O.G. system. Heheheee yeah popping seeds can be a head scratcher, but I can make you a big bet that it won't hurt you or your craft to learn how to I think we all paid some school fees there too! Gotta say in the "wold of weed" the next thing I learned to just smoking the buds was popping the seeds. Although being bag seeds I went through about.... ah I can't give a number, like a shit ton of seeds, sometimes failing and then ending up reading and "researching" some stuff till a point where I felt confident. Got my 1st breeder seeds I coughed up some $ for, got enough for 2 runs. 1st run popped 4 seeds got 100% germ rate, 2cnd run I toasted all the rest of the seeds It helps that I am a complete weed nerd. back i. the 2010's people around me would always toss their seeds and stems on the ground, but I always had a jar filled with just stems and a jar filled with bags of all the different "strains" bag seeds. I was always holy about the seeds as if all seeds contain some unicorn. I would sometimes just sit and look at the seeds with a magnifier and look at the little nuances and shit, same way I do with buds and stuff so yeah complete nerd in that regard. I had a kak klomp seeds to mess around with and still I paid school fees when I bought my first The seed pop thing only became real important to me when I learned about phenos. Like that graph that shows when someone starts out they go climbing the mountain of knowledge and resources and when they get down the other side they realise it's all the same and everythings very very simple. You can replace the start of someones weed growing journey as "popping seeds is cool" and then we all go through a phase of thinking "clones are the only way" untill the reason why even the best of the best growers still popping new seeds becomes clearer it will make more and more sense to learn the ins and outs of popping some seeds, cause that's really the only way to find a unicorn. rerunning clones, even if they're unicorns, they get run out and "watered" down. Like the Jedi's Code thing. The breeders cut looked like 3d printed futuristic buds and I got real excited about it, now I've seen 100 people grow it and it just looks like some "good weed" all happened in like 1 years time. the Jedi was a unicorn, till the clone flooded the masses. And again the same "climb the mountain only to climb down again - graph thing", people start out wanting to grow enough for themselves so they focus on quantity till they get it, then realise they can focus on quality of that quantity now that you got one down time to upscale on quality, till you get those two both down then you start paying attention to keeping a stable so you always have a jar or two filled with some of your favourite flavours (those will be the clones) while hunting down your own unicorn by popping new seeds the whole time. Brother! I actually see it the other way around, mostly new seeds being popped on the forum here, but there are few dudes who rerun a few clones. I do too, but the dudes who grow mostly clones and don't pop seeds are more the blackmarket growers that want kilos of the exact same stuff every time, or people who supply others. I think most people who grow for themself will get sick of smoking more than 50g of the same stuff whole time. On the seed pricing and quality - Check out Totemics stuff. As of the last, let's say, 10 to 15 years the american breeders completely blew the dutch breeders out the water. Though, if you knew the laws around cannabis in the NL it actually makes a lot of sense, everyone always got excited about the laws around cannabis in Amsterdam, but they have actually got some extremely strict laws around it that leaves a lot of grey area. It was always seen as the cannabis capital of the world, but it's like a paradox how the leniency of their laws have supressed the development of cannabis. Anyway, in the last 5 years or so, Arjan and his team at Green House Seed Co have made a big comeback, going out of his way to change how the dutch have been doing it for yeeeeeeeeeeaars. but the best stuff still comes out the US. Spain bringing the too, Ripper being a big one. Now getting back to the local just check the lineage of the stuff Totemic is working with. There are local breeders out here gona make you cut a testicle out for a seed or two, but if you do the background checks and all that you will see. Those R80 local seeds could have been a cheaper seed and it would have given you MUCH higher quality end product than you got from the ginger ape stuff. I always use Biltong and Buds as a good example. They stock legit breeder packs at high price and and and, but they also got the exact same "genetic" in their own pack available for R50. Whatever it said on the pack, it's not that. Not at all. Nothing close to it. I use BnB as an example but soooooo many local seed banks do this to keep head above water. though I hate supporting commercial / corporate, those are one of the ethic rules I live by and I support others with good ethics and that's what it comes down to. Someone with passion and a want to do it will have good ethics. Commercial companies who just chasing the $$$ will have less ethical values, cause it's its own entity, it's not a persons face and moral values attached to a brand, so they feel like they can get away with walking over their supporters. Also because a healthy majority of SA is still stensitized to cannabis and completely new to this whole thing, so none of this would even be a glimmer of a thought to most of their customers.