Naughty.Psychonaut

let's look at the extreme end of the spectrum, people reveg fully harvested plants by just leaving a couple nodes after you harvested, so basically there is no "too late to top". that's why I say you can cut at any time and anywhere so long as she's not under 12/12 light cycle and you leave a couple nodes.

"FIM" is mos if you already topped a few tops and look at the grow in a couple days to see a few tops rising above the others and realise "Fuck, I Missed", and is used -in a hurry- when refering to a specific topping method, but it's basically the same thing one is just more accurate and the other a slang term. 

but most importantly, photos?

you can cut tops off at any time anywhere on the plant, just so long as you leave a node or two. obviously don't cut when she's flowering unless you doing a clean up of the undercanopy. a lot of peoples outdoor plants are flowering already, but you got a tent and can control light cycle. what cycle you on? 

you got any photos for us?

I believe when I referred to "tech" you thought I was saying techno, but I mean more "technical" as in "higher level of difficulty or intricacy" as I believe all the genres we are discussing falls under techno anyway.

there are even techno stuff that come from minimal techno producers that have some slight technical vibes, but it's toooo slow for me! now speed this one up and it will already sound more technical, add some sounds in the right places and make it sound good. then we got something going  

Yebo, all those can be thrown under the same name, but I feel trance is -to a broad extent- a sub genre of techno. or not?

over the last 5 to 10 years "trance" morphed into all kinds of different things aswell, if you go to a trance party now a days they play different kinds of trance. there are even specific "progressive trance parties" "goa trance parties" "minimal trance parties" "dark psytrance parties" "high tech trance parties" that people attend specifically to hear a specific kind of trance, you'll never hear a "progressive trance" song playing at a high tech party. people will leave. so it is really far from all being the same. "techno music" is a very broad term itself. it's a term that gained traction in the mid to late 80's when more and more music was produced using only or mostly instruments that didn't have only an aucustic output, for once, but rather needed electricity to function at all. it was made possible by the technological revolution, giving us techno music. then it became all the other things we have today made in the same way, but sounds different. let's not forget rave 

trance itself is a sub genre that adapted a lot of "spiritual" meaning and followers and I've noticed that they like to keep all things trance related as positive as they can for the moment being and there's a growing number of people that feel quite strongly about not letting the genres mix, not cause of the quality of the music, but sadly because of the whole before mentioned thing... It's not like trance has always been about keeping it pure and turning their backs on the world, I mean look at the Coming Soon guys, mixing kanye into their trance. The thing is, the spiritual people really want as little as possible negative energies around and the best way to achieve this is to not argue with them to change their ways, but rather to play a certain kind of music they don't care to understand or like. Now that we have seen what happens when the event gets advertised like a whore around christmas, such as EDM festivals, we rather wana keep "trance" what it is, and keep the mix stuff out, if someone comes with a commercial mix they will not be playing a trance party. hopefully soon they'll keep their music pure or rather start wanting to only play at electro dance events where they are welcome.

I been to a couple electro dance festivals myself, their trance stages have real poo music playing man. the poorest examples of trance out there. trance can be a lot of things, but any bit of commercial mix in it makes it house music. I'm also retired from the scene, long before covid came along I stopped wasting my time and money on events. just like to throw a lekker beat through the speakers every now and then like I said when I feel all willy nilly, though the more repetetive it is to me the less chance I will listen to it, like those last few songs you posted. I started the first 20 seconds of the first one, had to put it off. 

the d&b you posted first is nice though

bush life is the life  

woah, that's a good one to note! always got lotsa DE around

lol yeah but there's a difference between eina and dead hahah but I understand what you mean! avoid them all

I got stung on my toe by a scorpion like 2 years back, luckily not a deadly guy but I wouldn't have known that had I not taken photos... the fucker was in my shoe, but to his defence I was working deeeep in the bush up in the mountains with holes in my vellies! here's the fucker that got me

almost every year around this time, when it starts heating up, snakes come out. we had that overpopulation situation with puff adders. some times we'll have to move up to 3 of them on a day! 

check out this chonker

we didn't have too many cobras, though I think I spotted a rinkhals once, but he was gone before I could confirm. we did come across this beautiful dosile little cape cobra one day, usually they scurry off when we spot them, but it seemed this guy wanted some company, he curled up on the rake and just kinda chilled with us for a while. was also quite cold that day, so maybe that slowed him down a bit.

I get you, yeah early trance was a different thing to the song I posted, the CD I mentioned that was given to me around 2000 did not contain the song I posted, it was a GOA Gill CD. pure as trance could be. Trance grew from GOA music which was psychedelic in itself, so trance can't really be trance if it's not "psytrance". it's just another form of the word. depending on who you ask. 

Sooo I technically did not call that trance, I did kinda mention "high tech" before that song, but that's also not high tech either. It's just a good tech song. 

I have to say, to me, old school trance such as armin and those guys, even the GOA Gil cd I recieved, all have very little technical style to their sounds and a more pronounced "doef doef doef" with no other sounds in between, just sounds like a slowed down version of trances' rolling bass, accentuating how repetetive it is. that rolling bass resides in all techno, but atleast with high tech you get a little extra... old school trance didn't quite have the right computer programs to write such intricate tech music and therefor sounded a lot more repetetive than todays trance, because it was slower and less sounds. like the house and d&b we get today. 

I saw Coming Soon live a number of years back at one of the Alien Safari trance party here in CPT. it's trance alright, got some tech here and there, but because of the mix of over commercialised music it attracted the wrong crowds. it was a nightmare of an event. half the people had their tents cut open and shit taken out, a lot of fights broke out, some people got stabbed.... some shit you'll never see at a true trance party.... 

The new school "psytrance" side of tech does not allow overly commercial music, because of the crowds it attracts. There is a small group of about 100 to 200 people here in CPT that get together every now and then through invites only and we moer the trance trance. No mix music. 

I guess to me the most important part is the technical stuff, I really don't mind the bass roll but it must just be a little faster and accompanied with other sounds. trance really have come a long long way since the likes of those coming soon guys. they are ou nuus my bra, they don't even play trance parties anymore and should be concidered house music these days with their mixes. 

check out some of these guys. 

completely different thing all together.

she's looking mighty fine brother 

damn, you know the species of scorpion you got there? you know what they say about those guys, "big pinchers - small venom, small pinchers - big venom" and it looks like that guy got some really small pinchers or is it just out of sight? 

snakes are spine tingly little freaks of nature, adds to why I like them so much! luckily the cape cobra falls part of the half of the genus that doesn't spit, but still their bite is deadly. their venom contains some potent neurotoxin that'll shut down your central nervous system in just a couple of hours, fisrt thing that'll happen is the nerves in your brain stop telling your lungs what to do and you'll die of respitory paralysis. not cool at all... 

@PsyCLown aweee brother lekker lekker early Saturday morning power  

I don't always have the time to swing by this thread, but every now and then when I do, boy oh boy  

loving all the tech vibes you bring man, perfect for blasting it in the background while getting my hands dirty in the garden! I fell inlove with D&B as a kid till one of my older sisters' boyfriends gave me a trance CD somwhere around 2000, naturally went through a phase in school where everyone frowned upon anything techno and before I knew it 80% of our matric group wanted to go hang out at trance parties cause it's the new "cool" thing. shit became comercialised this was around the time dubstep became big and trance became more like D&B to attract the massive crowds. skrillex with his weird stuff made a flash bang on the scene with his hyper dubstep overkill mixing almost all the techno in some mechanical techno sound orgy and just ruined it for everyone. I couldn't listen to a D&B song without a 1min dubstep cut somewhere in it or a poor example of a trance beat ruining the whole song. and I love techno, I just don't know what the hell that was..... anyway, these days we see people conserving these technical genres and keeping them seperate. this is pure D&B man, clean and classic.  

when I'm feeling real willy nilly I pomp the high tech, I like the music to give a forresty swampy vibe, don't know if you're into trance at all, but here's one for you  

yebo, 

18h light 6h dark = vegetive growth 

12h light 12h dark = flower growth

however you achieve that is up to you

8 hours ago, David666 said:

Whats up broThanks for all the info man will definitely do more research... It has helped me alot so far, even all the information provided by all the growers.. Much appreciated

The main reason I started with autos was because loadshedding:( thought it would be the best way to grow weed without having to stress too much about the light going on and off of schedule(no generator yet)... There is so much to learn

 

 

only a pleasure brobeans  

I see why you would go with the autos, yeah. a lot of growers I know that's got some years behind them will keep auto seeds to have year round harvests outdoors, because you're not as dependent on light cycles. but knowing how to get literally every single step in place before the plant even shows a single sign of stress is the key to growing a auto. 

about the loadshedding and light schedule thing, you see the only way it can go is to reduce the hours of light your plant gets. right? I don't know what area you're in, but my area gets hit with loadshedding 3 times a day at 2hrs each time. this equals to 6hrs of complete darkness and leaves me with 18hrs of electricity. that's a perfect veg cycle for a photoperiod plant. come flower time you need to reduce the 18 down to 12hrs anyway, so you don't nees more or longer hours of electricity anyway. 

the worrying thing when comes to loadshedding is RH, especially during winter. when your extractor and circulation  fans go off it gives time for mold spores to settle and take host. most likely loadshedding gona cause you harm it will be in the form of powdery mildew. 

10 hours ago, Bay Seeds said:

Save money on soil and get these two. Takes the guesswork out and you can dial in the soil. I got 200L of soil at R21 per bag of 20L at my local Agri. The tap water in my area is 170 - 200 ppm and 7.9 pH. Get a big container and make a large amount of 6.0 pH water and nutes at 800 - 1000ppm.

Flush your new soil with a hosepipe outside until the runoff is 300 - 400ppm.  Then water with the new batch of pH corrected water. Getting a pH pen speeds this up a bunch, but the drops work fine. Paying for FF OR OLX soil just gets too expensive in the long run.  My Darkstar seedlings got burnt to shit with orgasoilux and I just decided fuck that. Buying your own perlite and vermiculite still works out cheaper. 

 

this is cool information, might even run a little testy test myself what do you do about soil composition? besides adding perlite and/or vermiculite do you sieve anything out or you just choose the right bags off the get go? for instance, i've bought cheap potting soil from the commercial nursery only to have about a 2:1:1 mix of grit sand, bark and some halfway decomposed leaves ....

this was way way back before really growing my own weed and not knowing a thing about soil, I thought it was the best damn thing, needless to say it wasn't. because of the heavy amount of bark the N levels kept rising over time and the soil compacted like a mother cause of all the fine dust from all the load of sand in the mix. drainage worked well for the first month or so till the bark became a sludge and together with the compaction created a whole anaerobic mess and basically I ended up with mud. 

I guess to do what you're doing one already needs to have a basic understanding of soil and what to shoot for and what to avoid. 

12 hours ago, The_StonedTrooper said:

Also very hard to check by filling a 30L empty bag, as I did this and came out with enough soil to fill up an actual liquid volume 45L tote to almost full, so you can squeeze way more than what is in there already from factory. 

woah! I was just about to say that the little bit at the top might not be enough to fill a 30L pot/bag, this is why I was thinking the size of the soil bags sold might have to increase, but you're saying it can fill even more than that without making the bag any bigger? 

well.... uuh now see ..... now I would like to change my answer. I would like to get a full 30L bag for same price  

7 minutes ago, The_StonedTrooper said:

Agreed, but you can call a Litre a size, just the same as a cube, wet or dry.

yeah like a 30L bag is our "general measurement" and is more accurate than saying 30kg bag like Psy said. 

3 minutes ago, The_StonedTrooper said:

Yeah, exactly, like your favorite, FF telling you, we can give you the same amount, for less at X, or a little more for the same price?

 

ok ok lets see, so I wouldn't mind if they just filled up the 30L bag but kept the price the same, seems like that would be the easier thing to do. I agree about not wanting a bigger bag though, so just that little bit at the top, I don't know if thats gona be enough to fill the 30L material pot. if I had a old plastic FF bag laying around I would've checked as I have a couple bins of it recycled, can fill a bag to the brim then throw it all in a pot and see how much it will be. although, as you already know it will compact in the pot over time after many waterings. 

Just now, PsyCLown said:

I guess as a soil absorbs water, it expands in size and therefore in liters.

watering also causes compaction, like our pots always seem to have less and less soil in the longer you been watering it down, so it can just aswell shrink the medium in size

4 hours ago, The_StonedTrooper said:

Was only wondering, if you would prefer more at the same cost in the bag, or the same amount for less, which ever your flavor or taste. 

I like the taste of the same size bag for cheaper flavour

...the bag I use now happens to be ff and I think important to note I am not moving to another brand because it will be cheaper only, it has to be the same quality too  

so the answer isn't just one or the other for me and I don't think for most of us, sorry we went off topic brother! 

what about cubes? 

I don't mean we must measure the soil in cubic cm, I think in general a certain amount of soil is easier to guage by "the size" of it. 

like a certain size bag filled to the top will only be able to have that amount in, if you put wet soil dry soil heavy soil light soil, you fill it up and call it "a full bag of soil".

because of the fact that we're dealing with soil we can't really call it Liter or Kilograms, because it's not always gona weigh the same. 

hmmmm  I have to say, I don't fully agree with that...

I feel the importance of good soil trumps the importance of a good light, and we all know how heavy a kak light can impact a grow. now just imagine kak soil... last thing I wana save a few bucks on is soil. 

I would gladly rather cough up an extra R30 - R50 for something that'll completely flip my growing experience for the better. there are a lot of examples on this forum alone. 

such as the "promix" from builders warehouse in a recent thread. there has also been documented "420mix" soil grow that had to be exchanged for freedom farms because in fact a good price does not mean it's a good product. 

high pricing also doesn't equate to quality in the least, I had the "pleasure" of trying out some Just Cannabis soil when it was all the hype. Paid R200 a bag and it claims you can finish a whole grow with just water... A week in the soil and all I saw was toast. 

pricing is not a good guidance when looking at quality. and that's what you want, quality.

It's gona be hard for a new brand to take my support away from Freedom Farms, because I feel the 3 most important things when buying soil is quality, reputability and consistency. Something I've only gotten true to form from Freefom Farms. For me to stop supporting FF and move over to something new, the new brand will have to provide a better grow experience than in FF for atleast 3 to 5 grows in a row. then they got my support. they can be a bit more expensive than FF too I'll still buy it, because it's an improvement over the already exsisting product.

if you could get FF to just make their bags either bigger or cheaper that'll work too

hi bud, hope all is well your side,

sorry if I am not undersranding correctly, but you asking if we would like the current size bags we getting all over the show to be cheaper or to make bigger bags with more soil in that'll cost the same as the current bag size? 

I was under the impression that the freedom farm bags are enough to fill their 30L pots.

what's up devil boy @David666 

if you really wana understand the science behind your situation you going to have to do some more research on the following 4 topics

- genetics

- phenotype

- plant morphology

- plant plasticity

plants will never grow exactly the same anyway, though you do have some problems at hand aswell, so I agree with the guys, focus on something else for your next grow. 

my suggestions would be

1 - Get yourself some FreedomFarms green bag, the soil you have there is causing more questions and guessing games than it is helping you to grow weed. 

2 - Get some photoperiod plants, I would suggest some fiminized seeds from a reliable source. Autos are for the seasoned growers, they are so full of kak I have not even attempted one at all. I feel if you don't do everything 100% you're at more of a loss than anything.

3. Ph and EC pens, for sure takes out a hell of a lot of guessing and playing around, but then again you can test a shitty soil 100 times and make changes, bit the overall composition of your soil could be shit and then testing wont help at all. e.g. just by the looks of it I can say there is way too much bark in that soil and no amount of testing will tell you that. 

2 hours ago, PsyCLown said:

Probably the companies selling their organic stuff.

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I was just coming back to say that the "less is more" slogan would probably not be the best economic approach for a sustainable business model  

that's not the only people saying that stuff, though. in fact most commonly I hear it from people who have been growing all kinds of plants all their lives and have done quite a couple different methods of growing and ended up back at the basics with organics, when asked why organic after all the experience the answer is usually one of three things. 1 - biodynamics. 2 - regenerative lifestyle. 3 - it's hard to over do it with organic. 

I think there is a big difference in the type of organic growing when looking at a plant in a new pot with "newly crafted" soil in production focused growing conditions and a patch of soil on the earth that's completely exposed to all elements and is actually "organic" in the true meaning of the word. I can understand that you can give more of everything and cause less stress when growing without any confines or restrictions, but once you go into a pot already it's a whole different ball game. nutrient build up can happen super quick. fungal and bacterial colonies can dominate very easily. aeration can quickly become a problem not only for the plants roots but the microbial activity. there are minimal buffer zones and nowhere the roots can go to be "free". 

When people say "organic" they're casting a broad net in a field where there are sooooo many variables that misconceptions run the show.

57 minutes ago, The_StonedTrooper said:

1, being Gypsum and Rock Dust and others.

2, nutrients with root ready organics, that have been through the Microbe stage and ready to be consumed by the plant. 

You can over do the number 2 definitely and not so number 1, as this needs to be made ready to the root first. 

I have to say that in my experience you still have to be careful with both. I've seen a guy build his own soil with a sphagnum/coco base some worm castings and a whole mix of rock dusts. combining recipes and what not. I told him I can see with my eyes that he is giving too much, just didn't look right. he said the only nutrients will come from the worm casting and the rest will break down over time. which in theory is true, I mean most organic growers' theories anyway. he planted a newly established clone that was ready to go in the soil and it got so severely shocked I had to help him with a EC test, was sitting at 8-9. the worm castings was only 30% of the mix. 

soil biology is too complex to call it stuff like "it's hard to over do it" or "less is more" the only key I see fit would be "figure it out for yourself"  

20 hours ago, John Stonedwell said:

Thanx man. Yeah I learnt my lesson there the hard way. One would think the more you feed the better and stronger the plants will be which is not the case. The N toxicity does not necessarily reflect in burnt tips so you might think you are doing a good job and have a beautiful dark green colour leaf but in the mean time it's like force feeding the poor lady. 

learnt the hard way too with my previous grow!

where does that notion "it's hard to over do it with organics" even come from? 

@Valda hope all is well 

you wana chop the plant down by April or you wana smoke the weed by April? how big is the plant?

you can deprive a plant of light to induce flower, some people build greenhouses with a "built-in" light deprevator, basically just something you can easily manage to put "on and off" to black out a certain area. remember light leaks and stray lights during dark cycle will cause foxtails and may even push the plant to hermie. so if you create a black out make sure it blacks out completely.

if your outdoor is in a pot, allow 12h sun light a day then move them into complete darkness. 

if you're planted in the earth you can get a wood/pvc structure of sorts to go over the plant and use black drop sheet to cover the plant and reduce light down to 12hrs. 

11 hours ago, rdc420 said:

This also happened to me with the "grip clip" fan, same as this, but purchased on takealot.

this is just me, but I would at least get my money back. 

did it also trip your mains? a little 20w fan? then you need to contact the manufacturers and tell them that, but before you do, test your outlets with a multitool and see if there isn't something wrong with power delivery from your wall sockets. or even just the one the fan was plugged in by. chances are small but never zero. Only a much larger electrical appliance that pulls way more power can cause a surge big enough to trip your mains. like a stove or washing machine. not a desk fan. also good measure is every now and then to go touch your plugs and sockets they are plugged in by, even touch the wire to see if nothing is running hot because of any short connections. just run your hands along all the areas of concern, you will even feel it on the appliance, depending on how the thing was put together, but a more reliable indication would be the plugs itself. 

if everything feels A-OK all the time and you know your power supply isn't the problem then you know it was a design/factory flaw.

I hope you keep your proof of payments or "slips" when buying these things?

if there is a visible sight where the wires wore out and created a short you need to photograph it and all that. get in contact with the manufacturers. there is just no way 2 to 3 months is a normal running time for those things especially if it's wires wearing out and shorting. I would understand if it happens after 10 years, sure, but a couple months???? No. but still that thing shouldn't even get hot if a wire shorts cz of how little power it sucks. the motor and the power it takes to run it is so little that the motor itself will stop working before anything gets hot or trips main circuits..... unless the problem is in the main circuit, this can cause the fans plugs and motor to run hot and potentially trip the mains, yeah...... anyway

I am one of those people that believe in reports even if I get nothing from it, if that company recieves enough concerning emails about their product potentially burning peoples houses down they will make changes to the design and or way they're put together. 

25 minutes ago, PsyCLown said:

You can get fans which are known to last longer and move more air for the same price (or less).

this is a good point, if you can get something more reputable for same price or less it really is a no brainer! However I like to note that looking after your stuff is something that'll help everyone in every situation. I don't wana go around telling people to not learn something new hahahah imagine how long your fan will last if it's something that's known to last longer plus you look after it and take good care of it? 

the bigger stornger box fans for same price or better than the clip grip ones are also not always available everywhere.

fans, we have them in our cars, computers, lights, AC units, they're litterally everywhere. they gather dust, all fans do this. the smaller the fan the quicker dust will get to the motor and the more frequintly you gotta clean them. this is just a thing of fans that we have to take into concideration

I must be reeeally lucky then 4 good fans in a row! 

I would like to bet that looking after your stuff has a bigger impact on how long they last than bad luck and a good example of this is that every single clip grip fan I bought so far is still working today. have not lost one. 

anything and everything that's man made is meant to not last forever, that's the business model. however some people are still able to use electronics that where made in 1990s typically because of how they look after them. 

39 minutes ago, PsyCLown said:

The quality varies between the different brands, a friend recently purchased a small clip on oscillating fan off Takealot and within a month it burnt and tripped the mains.

The design was not ideal with the oscillation leading to wear on the power wires.

 

Generally they do not seem to last long and they also do not move much air, they're not cheap either. You can get fans which are known to last longer and move more air for the same price (or less).

a fan burnt and tripped the mains? what fan was this? the wire shouldn't wear at all. this is a major factory/design flaw with insane danger risks that the manufacturers can be held accountable for. you deserve restitution in that case brother, they could've burnt your house down with you in it!!!! damn I would not have let that one go