Naughty.Psychonaut

wow shit man do you still have some of the bud? my first question to you is simple, is the weed properly dried yet? sorry if that's a dumb question, but you never know

if you really sure it's not seeds or stems it could be that he rushed or pushed something during harvest/dry/cure and depending on where he rushed or pushed it, it may have different levels of concern.

if you have some, grind some up and take a real close look at it, maybe post a photo for us? I had a plant shoot out nanners at the end of a grow, pushed them too far and it pollinated a spot here and there in the tent that started forming seeds. I could see the little swolen pockets in the flowers when closely inspected, I gave some of that weed to my brother in law and he also smoked it without noticing the seeds, cz they just started forming and is really just a hard peice of green "barky" seed shell that looks just like the rest of the weed, but it will crackle when sparked. if this is the case then it just depends on the smoker how much they like it, personally I can't stand it. 

if this is not the case, then you actually do have right to be a bit worried as your friend might be smoking on some carcinogens. it will be minute amounts, nothing to write home about. I mean there are carcinogenic particulates in the food we eat and the air we breathe, but be careful as that is the last list in life that you wana keep adding to. we rather wana make that list shorter. in this case the snap, crackle and pop is the sign of nutrients that the plant needed when it was alive that are still present in forms of sugars, salts, startch and other forms of oils that you do not wana smoke. this would be the result of pumping the plant with too much PPM in the last period of its life and not making sure the plant was atleast starting to fade before harvest. so pushed the nutes and then rushed the harvest. 

also, did he perhaps wash the bud after he harvested? some people wash their buds with lime juice and bicarbonate of soda then they forget to wash all that off with clean water and this may also result in a snap, crackle and pop and probably more carcinogenic and the biggest risk to your health of all the rest. 

definitly not a calyx problem though, the more calyx the better

glad it was something new to some of you, was new to me too and I gotta say I already like this tech much better just because it took me about 30min to do all my plants and I didn't snap a single branch.  

big improvement for me hahah I can be a bit heavy handed when comes to manipulating plants, sometimes I feel I can snap a branch just by looking at the plant for too long

I won't completely kick the other methods to the curb though as you might have to move a few tops around to allow light penetration or to create a even canopy. the recovery time it takes a top to harden and stand back up once you softened the branch allows side branches to gain stretch, which the chiropractic tech does not allow. 

What's goooood my good people 

Here we have some training talk, this is nothing new, just a video I came across that helped me and might be helpful to some of you, some of you may already be familiar with it.

What is this Kushman Chiropractic nonsens? Well, basically it's super cropping, but with less risk of loosing branches and/or damaging the plant and much quicker response times and virtually no recovery time. 

I've noticed on the forum the hot shit when comes to super cropping is the method of rolling a branch between your fingers slightly pressing down on it untill it subtly lays sideways, but still kinda standing on its own. This has caused me to snap a few branches in the past, having to run over to my medic kit and strap and wire shit back up to save the branch if it doesnt snap and I did it 100% correctly the plant will still take about 12 to sometimes 24hrs to prop all the tops back up facing the light before it can continue with normal growth. 

Well, here we go, no more of that for me!!!  

We all know why we supercrop, so I won't go into that, but here is a video on how I found out about Kushmans Chiropractics that goes into quite a bit of detail on why we do it and all that, he also demonstrates his way and I found it to work MUCH better. snapped all my plants in about 30min last night without loosing a single branch. 

if you just wana check the chiropractics part skip to the 18:50 mark. he does something very very interesting  

17 hours ago, CreX said:

KK? it better be Khalifa Kush or ill sue 

hahahah it's khalifa kush yeah, speculations say that he was gona go with Klassic Khalifa Kush, but quickly decided against that  

that last bit isn't true, made up by yours truly 

19 hours ago, PsyCLown said:

@Naughty.Psychonaut You are 100% right, there is no best weed, best car, best shoes, best shorts, best t-shirt etc.

It comes down to specific situations and preferences. There are times however, where majorty will agree that something is below average or just utter crap or wont deny that there is something better out there.

 

With that being said, I still feel there is progress which gets made. New strains with more frost, more THC, perhaps more overall terps, different cannabinoid profiles etc. as well as new cars with more power and lower fuel consumption, extra safety features and the general technological advancements incorporated, the same applies to shoes and clothes and perhaps the Adidas 4D shoes are further proof to this as well as new technologies to help make fabrics look newer for longer and help them retain the qualities we want as well as incorproate some newer qualities and there are newer fabrics or ways to use the fabrics to achieve what we want - situation dependent.

 

There might be traits we dislike from some breeders, perhaps even breeders we support by buying their seeds and growing them out.... With that being said, there was a reason we bought their seeds - even if it was just based on hype.

this is spot on!!!  

another good example is the "delta 8". a new form of cannabis on the market suited for those who have bad experience with the psychoactive properties of delta 9 THC. 

if you grow out some regular delta 9 THC and it gives a reading of 10% THC and you grew out a delta 8 and the THC reading also gives you 10%, that 10% from the delta 8 will hit you less than the 10% from a delta 9. 

so basically it's less potent. why even make this if the race is to see who grows the "best" stuff??? 

well, that's simply because to a certain population that make up the whole of the masses the less potent stuff is the better stuff.

4 hours ago, mantis said:

The best place to get screen is silk screen printing shops , https://peasysqueegee.com/ they do deliver they have got from 32 -120 mesh . Hope that helps

this helps A LOT!!!

seen those available online from a grow site for easily double the price. 

obviously I haven't been looking hard enough, thanks man!

a very good example here is the KK, big hype in america when Wiz Khalifa brought out his own kush cross, it was for himself, a weed that only he likes. this weed is available at dispensaries and it is without a doubt one of the most niche branded weeds out there. not even priced that harsh, yet it doesn't make it into the big time big league market. 

why not?

It wasn't made for the masses, Wiz didn't care about what would sell the best, he made something for himself and it sells accordingly.

On 9/18/2021 at 5:39 PM, PsyCLown said:

I don't know Cookies very well, however just because something is popular doesn't mean it's great.

You can't be telling me 50 000 screaming fans are never wrong, they could be morons. Lol

However clearly whatever they are doing is working for them, perhaps they've found a niche in the market.

With time things change, what is popular and what people will continue to change as time goes on.

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On 9/18/2021 at 6:23 PM, DamDave said:

Carling Black Label the beer for Champion's comes to mind.

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what's gooood my guys  

psy, I see what you saying and it is true, but only to a certain extent. 

the bigger the fan base the more room for error kinda thing. 

difference is, it's all opinion based, there is no fact as to say "the best weed out there" that term shouldn't exist, which means you can't say even one guy is wrong in selecting what he likes more. 

infact, it boils down to simple maths. find the mode. if your liking, on something which is opinion based, differs from the masses it just means you're singled out from the masses. doesn't mean the masses are wrong about anything, because simply there is no factual "best" when it comes to weed. it's all based on preference. you can't tell someone they're wrong because they like something different than you.

so, in a situation like this, either we're singled out from the masses or we accept that our opinion differs from the masses, but calling the masses wrong cause it doesn't suit your liking is a dangerous game to play

with the black lable poo water, there are similarities and I get the compatison, but again it's based on preference. 

we have a end product on our hands here. the beer is already shit, so nothing to say about that by itself, but because it's botteled and as a whole there is a fixed price to it and all kinds of fixed objectives that put a beer in the place of being factually compartmentalised as one "product" and that it is better than the "product" next to it. for this reason I totally agree that there are companies that misuse their power. 

as soon as pricing and packaging comes into play we can jump from opinion to facts. 

though, we have to take into concideration, the cookies brand did not take the world by storm because of their cool packaging and cheap pricing. they DEFINITELY did not outsell their competion by underpricing their product. they grew out some danky dank that the masses fucked with, this gave them the opportunity, platform and street credit to create a brand for quite a while actually before the "cookies" strain was crossed and brought onto the market. they didn't go from 0 to 100 by creating the cookies brand, in fact they could only create the cookies brand once they where already at 100 and everyone was already fucking with them. 

hahahah true true, always good to fiddle around to find out some new stuff if that's where your passion drives you, how they always say "do it for science!"

I respect that  

I will go extraordinary lengths for the things I am passionate about, so much so that what I am doing sometimes might not make sense to others. 

hahahah yeah fiends tend to have that persuasive quality about them  

that's a really good light man, I am excited to see what you do with it

that hash is a nice gold colour

I wana make some diy sift screens for dry sift, looking for high quality silk still. I got some, but the place I got it from was a textile place and they couldn't tell me the micron or lines per centimeters, I just grabbed the thickest looking one and it seems to still allow a lot of contaminants through. 

my search continues

that picture chrisjay posted is crazy, aswell as few pictures from the first page of the thread, gotta be some old school or rather less tampered-with stuff!  

@Prom you guys hunted some of the swazi and malawi stuff yet? would be interesting to see what they do and if they worth keeping around?

let's put the end product aside,

for a backyard breeder, how likely are you to find desirable traits to work with in that batch of seeds versus the same size batch of F4 regulars of the modern polypolypoly stuff? 

my inexperienced mind would just tell me that a breeder has to go way deeper into the "untampered-with" stuff to find worthy traits than you would with the modern stuff. and that speaks volumes to the whole topic of how todays strains are the strains of the day, because of human interverntion and selective breeding. not the other way around. 

there are reasons why history is important, for sure, that's why we should know about these old school strains, they have their rightful place in all our hearts just as they did in the 70's to the people who made it big in the industry at the time, the very reason is because they where selected by the masses back when all the crosses where still just landrace crosses. 

I am not saying finding those old school stuff is impossible, it actually is possible just more likely for the big time growers and not the average joe, because a strain doesn't gain unicorn status by simply being available online, it also only makes sense to me if you reeeally know what you looking for and you're able to go deeeeep into the genetic pool, because to the untrained you'll find something pure and grow it out and be thoroughly displeased by its looks, smell and growth and everything, without knowing what they really looking at. even the trained and extra seasoned will find more undesirable traits than desirable ones, hence the reason why you should be able to go deeep in the gene pool. 

You clearly do have a lot to say about it, well so do I and this is a social platform where people discuss things cannabis related. We all have a lot to say about a lot of topics on this forum, that's why we're here, but like mr.ChrisJay said, we talk respectfully. I understand we all have emotions, but keeping a hair trigger on your emotions and being a hot head is just bad qualities in general. If you don't wana have a normal discussion, then don't. 

It's simple.

Anyway, hope everyone is having a nice weekend so far! Be safe and enjoy! 

I mean, I saw all the talk as respectful except the part where someone had to apologise for coming across hostile instead of pressing backspace a couple times and try rewriting what they said and this after they claim to not even have read the full thread, AND the same person goes on to call others out on letting their feelings in the way.  

honestly I don't even see a point in talking to people like that anyway

so what I am saying is not aimed at anyone specific, but if someone feels they fall under the mentioned catagories and these things apply to you, then so be it. 

what you highlighted there is a good question with an easy answer.... 

21 hours ago, Golden-Goose said:

But that's just the thing... how much selective breeding is actually happening when we talk about the big boys in the game? If I have a stud, and then hit every single elite cookie clone I have with the pollen. Give each strain a cool name and slap some high end packaging on it, what have I actually done? Have I bred something for a desired taste, or maybe a certain type of high? Of course not.

mr. @Golden-Goose are you trying to tell me that a brand like cookies became so big by random selection? or some sort of "elite man algorithm" that chooses people based on how cool they are? or based on anything other than the quality of weed they put forth?????? man..... you really going to be doing this to yourself?

a brand like cookies got as big as they are simply because the masses chose them.

now I am not saying they NEVER did random selection to find some new stuff, but I am as sure as I am that the sun will rise in the morning that a brand like cookies did NOT get as big as they are by luck or by putting out shit products.

it's super simple...

they listened to what the people want

and most important of all, they didn't let their feelings get in the way  

@mantis 

this was an epic grow to follow man, great stuff!!

you gona make some bubble hash or how will you be extracting? 

damn booiii

got a good friend there to let you use his fluence!!! 

well, a landrace and a popular old school strain is not the same thing. let's focus on the topic at hand here, popular old school strains.

I feel since that "polypolypoly hybrid smashed with a polypolypoly hybrid" thing was mentioned it kinda built a wall in this conversation that shouldn't be there,

nature would've created a polypolypoly hybrid smashed with a polypolypoly hybrid anyway, just because us humans did it selectively according to what we like and what sells best (because that's what the masses like and want) does not make them a bad thing. this is how time works, it waits for no one and it changes all the time. so I guess you're right about clinging to the past so hard in a game that's ever changing is defs gona come back and bite you in the end. 

@Golden-Goose just because you don't like the bullshit desert names being used as marketing does also not mean the weed is shit or anything worse than the stuff back in the day. because of human intervention and selective breeding we do get to choose the names of our strains we create, sadly that's just how it works and we are wasting time and energy getting upset about it.

at best it's basically the same, with the exception that GOOOOD TASTING FROSTY weed was harder to find back in the day, making it somewhat of a trophy weed, when today GOOD TASTING FROSTY weed is everywhere. to me that's a huge improvement.... just gotta allow the times to be to really appreciate it for what it is. 

hahah this "looking for those old school strains" is a never ending thing in this cannabis community, and I really can't wrap my head around it. SO MANY factors come into play. everything changes. even the nature of things change when given enough time and this is a good thing, it's growth, we need to grow and allow things and ourselves to change.

the big deal when it comes to looking for a certain strain. you have to know what you looking for hey golden key

this is a big contribution to my notion that many classic strains people are looking for are gone, because people don't even really know what exactly they looking for. then they find something with that name, make a purchase and the best among the batch will be labled "the real deal" when in reality the closest you will get is just something slightly similar. this is causing further confusion and people who go around claiming they have the real deal because it's got the same name is really shouldn't be doing that.

I see labling a strain with a old school name as a marketing tactic used because of the hype around old school strains. there was a video posted on here not too long ago explaining genetic plasticity, going deep into physiological morphology based on response to unique environments and human intervention. saying you're hunting a old school strain and expecting it to be like the "real deal from the 70's" is like saying you looking for an ancestor of yours that looks, speaks, acts, smells, has the same blood type and exact same evrything as you. which is just a wild thing to say.......... 

I would love to know from some of these old school hunters on the forum, is the weed of today not good enough for you or what's the reason for clinging to the past? I am willing to bet that the strains you guys are looking for, or shall I rather say the "profiles" you guys are looking for are right under your noses, it's just got a new name... 

Is it just the name you guys are looking for and the ability to say "hey mate, I got a jar of the real deal old school original shit from the 70's". or are you guys for real hunting those strains? cz you gotta be a real big time grower to be doing a real hunt like that. I am sure most of you guys are familiar with Arjan Roskam and the strainhunter show? You can't just grow 100 plants in your back yard and call it a strain hunt. You'll need to be able to have a grow setup in every second corner of the world and I mean mountain side grows of a couple acres, you have to be able to travel the world and do insane amounts of research to be doing a hunt like that....

otherwise you're just looking for a strain with a old school name and of that there is a litteral TON out there. every seed bank offers some or other "original".

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oh man, that's one good looking cabbage you harvested!

veg space also looking goood, the bottom middle plant, is that the branches from the cannabis plant that's intertwined like that? 

this video been in my feed for a while, watched it just last night, good share man, thanks!

this video speaks a lot on the whole "skunk #1" discussion that was had on here a while back. every day in the cannabis community you will hear someone saying "I am looking for that old school genetics", in understanding what that means the people who say it need to also understand what they're actually saying. at the very least.

you can get a seed with that name, easy.

some guys been working with cannabis for long enough that they breeding seeds these days and they still claiming phenotypes from back in 1970's will be still the same today.

you might find seeds with those names, even the seeds with those names directly from the breeder that shat the brick of gold back in the 70's, that does not in the slightest mean that the genetics are still the same. 

Phenotypical Plasticity - I will remember that, because I know it won't be too long before I hear those "I am looking for that REAL DANK old school genetics" words again. 

oh man!

any damage to the product? whatever it may be...

but seriously why that nylon strap tearing into the box like that?

should flower not be 

20:00 ON

08:00 OFF 

I run LEDs with very little heat, but still pushes the temps up by 5°C or so depending on given situation, I live in the Boland where it goes up to 45°C in the peak of summer. If I ran my light up till 14:00 in the afternoon, veg or flower, I will be toasting my plants  

I have to try working around this, which leaves me with a no brainer. I look at the hottest time of day then work back from there, during veg you got 18hrs on and I have to avoid the hours between 11:00 and 15:00, because that's really the hottest times of the day. My options are - 

1. Lights come on at 15:00 when the day starts to cool down, is on for 18 hours and goes off at 09:00 the next morning. 

2. Lights come on at 17:00 and stays on till 11:00 just before the day really heats up. 

For the plants option 1 will mean that their hottest time of day will be when the lights just come on, option two will mean that their hottest time of day will be at the end of their light cycle, which is closer to how it is in nature and this is why I went with option 2. 

here is my peyote collection  

6+ months olds

1+ year olds

2+ years olds

5+ years old

10+ years old, she made flowers and seeds for me ❤

The bunch, and random photos

these where used for grafting

Here's the grafts of the two, onto san pedros

And then, of course a butt load of Lophophora Williamsii X Pereskiopsis Spathulata Grafts, from the same batch that is one year olds on their own roots, these have been grafted for 6 of the 12 months, see the size difference

anyway, won't make you guys look at every single one of all of these it will take forever! but yeah, have not eaten any of the peyotes, yet

@PsyCLown well, I get what you're saying, that not all fungus form a symbiotic relatioship with all plants, that's spot on. 

however, what I said is that "mycorrhizal" fungi grow in symbiosis with plants. in general. 

rhizomorphs, on the other hand, cast a broad net of different kinds of "root forming" species, (plants rhizomorph aswell, because they form roots, not only fungus) and from the group of all rhisomorphs you might find a few that don't grow in symbiosis with certain plants. 

Rhizomorph was just the wrong word, but mycorrhizal fungi cannot affect your crop negatively, because that literally deminishes the meaning of the word mycorrhizal. 

here is a pdf, first few words will explain.

https://extension.okstate.edu/fact-sheets/print-publications/hla/mycorrhizal-fungi-hla-6449.pdf 

 you can google if you want a more reliable source