@alemo Yes, you can tell a lot from what the plant looks like but you cant determine when to harvest with the naked eye. Let alone from a picture. I agree, not knowing the genetics doesn't make life easy. What should I do if I didn't previously have access to decent seeds? Lastly, please try to avoid using foul language when chatting to me. I don't mind taking advice from anyone as long as its done with respect. You don't have to bet that I will be happier with decent beans. I know 100% for sure that I will be happier! :thumbups