Zrubin Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 (edited) Hey guys~ I'm about to begin purchasing all the supplies for my first grow setup. I'm planning on using a 120x60x165 grow tent and making most of the setup quite simple. The only thing I'm struggling with are my lighting options. After doing lots of research I would like to go with LEDs and currently I'm gonna go for this https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00PH1MQV8/ref=twister_B07G1X9WDC?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&coliid=I3NWA0TLWRM29M&colid=36XJU6JJ1Y5YB. Has anyone bought anything from Amazon? Also if anyone has suggestions for local lighting options that aren't LEDs I'm all for listening! edit: probs should have mentioned my budget. Trying to stay below 2k Edited November 5, 2018 by Zrubin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Leaf Organics Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Depends on your budget , that's a very cheap Chinese led so I wouldn't expect much from it . How much you wanting to yield per run? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkunkPharm Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Maybe check the king led and reviews. At least 280 real pull in wattage terms. Sent from my VTR-L09 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenkush Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 (edited) Stay away from those LED's, not true watts, epistar or epiled (garbage) and they burn out fast. Go for these : https://www.amazon.com/Horticulture-Lighting-Group-Quantum-Boards/dp/B078P4K8J9/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1541399420&sr=8-8&keywords=quantum+boards You'll just need to get a matching driver. Edited November 5, 2018 by greenkush 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McB Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 with all due respect, that light is great for lettuce, what you are looking at there is severely old technology with only a single lense on the diode with no secondary. this means your spread is going to terrible. the chips used look to be 3w, probably epileds as i see no mention of better quality being used.(and china would say if they used cree) brand aside rest assured the quality is lower bin, meaning less stringent quality control in general. the addition of uv and ir seems redundant, its not that they aren't useful, i just wouldn't add them to a panel at the expense of photosynthetic light. a full spectrum white would serve a much more worthy purpose instead for example. NO mention of used spectrum is suspect, not all reds are created equal, with 660nm being substantially more expensive than 630 if memory serves. IF you need to do led, look at cobs, that said a cree "100w" 3590 chip alone will set you back 500 plus,with no sync or driver so i do understand the attraction. I speak from experience, experience im now having to fix retrospectively. removing IR and cheap reds and replace with full spectrum on my panel,sourcing better angel lenses etc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenkush Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 20 minutes ago, McB said: IF you need to do led, look at cobs, that said a cree "100w" 3590 chip alone will set you back 500 plus,with no sync or driver so i do understand the attraction. I speak from experience, experience im now having to fix retrospectively. Or quantum boards, samsung LM 301B, LM 561 C S6 strips. There are many lighting engines out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McB Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, greenkush said: Or quantum boards, samsung LM 301B, LM 561 C S6 strips. There are many lighting engines out there. yeah, basic point is, not that amazon panel. but lets face it, nothing listed here fits the R1000 budget based on that purchase price. good leds arent cheap and cheap leds arent good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Leaf Organics Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Let's not forget the fact that 90% of people dont want to have to build there own light... Like I said before , what's your budget and how much are u wanting to yield dry for your needs. Before we know those 2 factors it's hard to give an educated opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkunkPharm Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 I am currently running an experiment with a led full spectrum light and just plain led 3000K spotlights from ACDC and the spots are winning thus far. Sent from my VTR-L09 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McB Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, greenkush said: Or quantum boards, samsung LM 301B, LM 561 C S6 strips. There are many lighting engines out there. sorry to hijack this thread, but you have me interested, what price points are we looking at for the samsung products, pro's and cons of them vs 3w full spectrum/cob the sammy's look to be mid power. this is what i have found locally with a little bit of a google https://za.rs-online.com/web/c/displays-optoelectronics/leds-led-accessories/visible-leds/?searchTerm=led&applied-dimensions=4294965025&rpp=100 Edited November 5, 2018 by McB typos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenkush Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 17 minutes ago, McB said: sorry to hijack this thread, but you have me interested, what price points are we looking at for the samsung products, pro's and cons of them vs 3w full spectrum/cob the sammy's look to be mid power. this is what i have found locally with a little bit of a google https://za.rs-online.com/web/c/displays-optoelectronics/leds-led-accessories/visible-leds/?searchTerm=led&applied-dimensions=4294965025&rpp=100 I'm referring to these : https://www.samsung.com/led/lighting/led-modules/industrial-light-module/h-influx/ Then build something like, the last image are the strips in the above link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McB Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 27 minutes ago, greenkush said: I'm referring to these : https://www.samsung.com/led/lighting/led-modules/industrial-light-module/h-influx/ Then build something like, the last image are the strips in the above link i get what you are referring to, great in concept i'm sure. doesn't really address any of the questions posed though. what would that setup set you back and where will it run wattage wise. drivers look pretty small for the size of the array. i'm working off models you mentioned, checking local availability, price,spec sheets and comparing to my lumiled and cree cob research to gain an actual understanding of price vs performance between cob and smd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McB Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 https://www.digikey.co.za/product-detail/en/samsung-semiconductor,-inc./SL-B8T2N70LAWW/1510-2462-ND/8536566?utm_adgroup=&mkwid=sUl83ogcm&pcrid=298146361420&pkw=&pmt=&pdv=c&productid=8536566&slid=&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIrvTG2IC93gIVhLTtCh2Z7ggQEAQYASABEgIK5_D_BwE thats actually not that stupidly priced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenkush Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, McB said: https://www.digikey.co.za/product-detail/en/samsung-semiconductor,-inc./SL-B8T2N70LAWW/1510-2462-ND/8536566?utm_adgroup=&mkwid=sUl83ogcm&pcrid=298146361420&pkw=&pmt=&pdv=c&productid=8536566&slid=&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIrvTG2IC93gIVhLTtCh2Z7ggQEAQYASABEgIK5_D_BwE thats actually not that stupidly priced The purpose of the samsung strips is their efficacy, you can build any wattage light fixture you want. My friend has one running at 1000 watts (true rated watts), he runs it off a few meanwell dimmable drivers. Yes the drivers in that guys pic above does look small, because people usually run them lower than the max voltage and still get the results they want. Lower wattage = lower heat. My boards run off of two of these : If you think its still a concept go look at the american forums and the led sections and see what is being produced. Here is an example of one: In any event there is no real answer to your price question, it all depends on your wattage and configuration you want to go with, which strips, frame, drivers, etc. Edited November 5, 2018 by greenkush 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zrubin Posted November 5, 2018 Author Share Posted November 5, 2018 14 hours ago, Green Leaf Organics said: Depends on your budget , that's a very cheap Chinese led so I wouldn't expect much from it . How much you wanting to yield per run? budget I'd like to try keep below 2k and yield not sure per a plant but I'd like to grow 2-3 plants effectively Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zrubin Posted November 5, 2018 Author Share Posted November 5, 2018 3 hours ago, greenkush said: Stay away from those LED's, not true watts, epistar or epiled (garbage) and they burn out fast. Go for these : https://www.amazon.com/Horticulture-Lighting-Group-Quantum-Boards/dp/B078P4K8J9/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1541399420&sr=8-8&keywords=quantum+boards You'll just need to get a matching driver. So how do the quantum boards work with drivers and whats the wattage equivelent of 1 quantum borad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zrubin Posted November 5, 2018 Author Share Posted November 5, 2018 I was going to go for a 14 hours ago, Green Leaf Organics said: Depends on your budget , that's a very cheap Chinese led so I wouldn't expect much from it . How much you wanting to yield per run? Also about the cheap chinese shit, I was planning on getting a viparspectra 300 watts but couldnt find one that shipped here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenkush Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Zrubin said: So how do the quantum boards work with drivers and whats the wattage equivelent of 1 quantum borad? 4x QB 132 on a HLG-240H-C1750A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zrubin Posted November 5, 2018 Author Share Posted November 5, 2018 Just now, greenkush said: 4x QB 132 on a HLG-240H-C1750A So with those 4 quantum boards on that setup how many plants do you rate I could grow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenkush Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Zrubin said: So with those 4 quantum boards on that setup how many plants do you rate I could grow? 3, maybe 4 would be pushing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zrubin Posted November 5, 2018 Author Share Posted November 5, 2018 Just now, greenkush said: 3, maybe 4 would be pushing it. thats perfect for what I'm planning. Can the drivers for the qBoards be bought in south africa or do you reccomend doing it all international? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourStonedBuddy Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Maybe Growopz could help out and shed some light? @growopz 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pvt_sToNeR Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, YourStonedBuddy said: Maybe Growopz could help out and shed some light? @growopz I might just be a complete child but that "shed some light" got me good @growopz Can you shed some light on lights ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenkush Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 3 hours ago, Zrubin said: thats perfect for what I'm planning. Can the drivers for the qBoards be bought in south africa or do you reccomend doing it all international? You can order the drivers directly from digikey or mouser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CG420za Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 I'm keen on getting QB's or strips WITHOUT the leds. Any idea where i can get those? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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