highchome Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 What is the benefit of making/using cannabis oil? I'm wondering because as I understand it the extraction seems potentially unsafe (butane / iso which could in theory have impurities), or using ethanol which seems hard to come by. So why go this route rather than an infusion (cannabutter etc), rosin (hard to extract too I guess) or hash etc? Is there some particular benefit? I'm a bit new to all this, so I'd love to understand more. Thanks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highchome Posted May 29, 2019 Author Share Posted May 29, 2019 FWIW I just saw a company that sells food grade ethanol here: http://www.ethanolsa.co.za/food-grade-alcohol-ethanol-cannabis-oil-extraction.html. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JrMezz Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 I personally prefer solventless extracts for a few reasons If im looking for a clean oil for oral consumption i would always prefer a solventless extract infused heavily into a carrier like olive/coco oil or food grade vegetable glycerin I try to almost completely saturate the carrier with the solventless extract over a long period of time on a very low temperature ensuring most of my terps and cannabinoids are preserved If i want it to have abit more of a kick i would decarb said extract before the infusion ✌ Hope this helps 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Leaf Organics Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 By making extracts or oils you can regulate your dosage better and have more if a consistent medicine without testing for the home user . If you made a good extract you know roughly how strong it is . You then can take your extract and use it in edibles or whatever you want to make . It's all about consistancy for your meds , if you though a handful of flowers into coconut oil you will get a different product every time but if you do an extraction and then use the extract you get a lot more of a consistent medication 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highchome Posted May 29, 2019 Author Share Posted May 29, 2019 Thanks @Green Leaf Organics that is an interesting point! I think that together with finding out that there is easily available food grade ethanol around changes my mind completely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
420sake Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 highcome, did you venture into the extract world? I do BHO and love it want to get into refining oil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highchome Posted July 29, 2019 Author Share Posted July 29, 2019 22 minutes ago, 420sake said: highcome, did you venture into the extract world? As it happens I just ordered my first batch of food grade ethanol today. Hopefully I'll have time this weekend to try making oil for the first time. I'm still nervous about butane so ethanol seemed like a good option, though it is a little expensive. FWIW the reason I decided to try oil is that we use the cannabutter as an ointment but its very oily (obviously ) and my wife is not thrilled with using that on her face too often. I'd be able to mix the oil into a normal cream and avoid the issue. I can't wait to give it a try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
420sake Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 The missus uses creme made up of BHO and Coconut oil. We find it disappears the dark skin spots on the face if one is persistent. Working on an adjustment to the odour You will enjoy making oil. We started with this back in 2006. Back then the diehard smokers though we were nuts Quit for a few years after too many locals got itchy. Really enjoy as a hobby now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 @highchome I make cream it works amazing I use olive oil coconut oil, beeswax, canabis oil, water, lavender, argan oil and a little bit of msm 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
420sake Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 @Gnome Spot on with your recipe How much heat do you employ in getting the mix homogeneous? We find the beeswax is the last to blend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highchome Posted July 30, 2019 Author Share Posted July 30, 2019 4 hours ago, 420sake said: The missus uses creme made up of BHO and Coconut oil. I've got the food-grade ethanol on the way to make oil that I'm happy to ingest. But I wonder even if you were totally opposed to ingesting BHO, if there would be any reasonable issues with using it topically. I'll do some googling to see what I can find Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
420sake Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 I would presume the tolerance level from medical advisories would be the first to surface, that being from 5000ppm down to 50ppm. The lower figure is highly advisable as I think it gets quoted on HAZMAT labels. Or the WHO advises such, can't remember. The last issue is always some form of aroma not advisable. You can smell if you have not got a clean purge on your hands. Have been ingesting my own projects for over 12+ years now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 @420sake i add my coconut oil, olive oil, cannabis oil and bees wax and heat it up to 40c and wait till all the beeswax melts i heat up my water to 40c and add the msm and mix oil and water wen cooled to about 30c i add the argan and lavender Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
420sake Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 I must have acquired beeswax with steel nuts, does not melt at 80C. Going to try some raw beeswax from my apiary instead of the Medical version. Thanx for the share of that recipe @Gnome That's so nice and slow, will try it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 i get my beeswax from a bee keeper nice and raw still has a little bit of honey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highchome Posted July 31, 2019 Author Share Posted July 31, 2019 What is your preferred way to make the oil? Seems to be a few different techniques... Any links you'd recommend? @Gnome @420sake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
420sake Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) @highchome I have quite a few books I collected ages ago, which I learnt how to open blast Butane. The process stuck, and I made my own gear to blast small batches. I was challenged to do so and I made one beeg load of oil this year just to see if I could do it. And I did too. So now I have stock for the next bunch of months Never used ethanol before and I am not keen to do alcohol due to its toxicity to the body. I have also been watching lots of YT''s on how these small americano factories push out their crops - amazing. I have now added a vacuum pump to my tool set and I like the product. Will be refining more in the future to get the right cuts of oil processed. Its just that the kit is expensive and it will take time to get there I guess. CO2 rigs are possible, but its very high pressures to deal with. I am of the opinion that BHO is the best cut of the 3 processes and makes the best quality Artisanal oil. do not smoke anymore. appreciate my vape Probably best to ask questions for now - as I am also happy to learn new knowledge I want to learn to preserve the terpenes, which is low temperatures and having a vacuum oven and lots of time. Edited August 1, 2019 by 420sake added txt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highchome Posted August 6, 2019 Author Share Posted August 6, 2019 That worked quite well. From about 30g of lowish quality flower I got ~6ml of oil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
420sake Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 (edited) How did you do it? RSO? You said you ordered Alcohol. Happy with your result, you have to be. Lol Well done Edited August 6, 2019 by 420sake add Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highchome Posted August 6, 2019 Author Share Posted August 6, 2019 I used ethanol, rather than butane or iso. Just a 3 min single wash, then boiled the alcohol off. And yeah very happy with the result Roughly RSO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
420sake Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 Thats so cool - self sufficiency! I am just sucking 99% oil through my eSense vape - happiness is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinHorne Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 I personally made oil to help my mother with sleeping problems using alcohol and olive oil. Works great. But now I'm wondering if I grow the freebie seeds from www.bongify.nl will it work as well, or do you need specific strains? I have the seeds laying around here thats why Im asking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highchome Posted September 7, 2019 Author Share Posted September 7, 2019 1 hour ago, MartinHorne said: do you need specific strains I think you'd probably be best with a strain that is good for relaxation / pain or some combination of that, either in one strain or a mix. Check somewhere like www.leafly.com to see what to expect from a strain. Hopefully the more experienced oil users will chime in here too Do you have some idea what the freebie seeds are? But if you have seeds and want to do a first grow then some free seeds may be good to test with? You could learn quite a bit with them. E.g. you could take clones as they grow, once the original flowers you'll know if its male/female and only keep those clones. You could also play with a very short veg time (i.e a few weeks) and then go directly to flower. That gets you though a full grow cycle fast and means you get to test the strain sooner. Then with your next grow you can do a longer veg on female clones to get a bigger yield. Or you could just wait for better seeds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
420sake Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 (edited) Practicing energy therapy I have always focused on my landrace and have been happy as I get 10% average return in my BHO process. Considered the BHO product to be pranic positive and the alcohol route to be pranic negative. So the reason I joined here is to get new info's on the strain options to produce new genes and try our the modern day options that have become available. It has become an artesinal grower's paradise I guess and I am a pawpaw in that area at present Have my first modern beans firing right now. A big issue for me is that we work Whole plant as an extract. This CBD foofie is just madness. Edited September 9, 2019 by 420sake typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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