Oolong83 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 (edited) Whadup ya’ll? First timer here. I got these nice WW fem clones from highchome, thanx dude. Replanted them into cocomix (coco50%perlite25%soil25%) added nutes right after potting. (Kelpak, wondersoil all purpose & flora coco grow) ph to 6.0, maybe little lower(yellow) currently using 15w LED growlights x 5 + 1 heating lamp, but upgrading all of this VERY SOON, maybe today or tomorrow. checked in on them this morning, they seem be doing ok. feel free to give advice and pointers, as this is my first attempt at indoor growth i am open to all advice. happy smoking ya’ll Edited June 24, 2019 by Oolong83 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEye Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Were these clones re-vegged? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oolong83 Posted June 24, 2019 Author Share Posted June 24, 2019 Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreX Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Sometimes you gotta pull those genes back from the bloom room yo! Good job on keeping them alive... Cuttings from bloom are finicky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highchome Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 lol, yeah. Four out of five of the plants were male... So it made sense to chop up the remaining female for clones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oolong83 Posted June 27, 2019 Author Share Posted June 27, 2019 4 hours ago, CreX said: Sometimes you gotta pull those genes back from the bloom room yo! Good job on keeping them alive... Cuttings from bloom are finicky Thats all on highchome. I got them from him a week ago. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oolong83 Posted June 30, 2019 Author Share Posted June 30, 2019 Hey guys so this morning i was taking a closer look at these ladies and noticed the leaves are showing signs of something. I noticed 2 days ago the tips looking burnt, so i flushed both yesterday with plain water ph to 5.8. Please help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailblazer420 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 Why 5.8?Sent from my CLT-L29 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highchome Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 (edited) Could it be early signs of calcium deficiency? Hopefully one of the pros can confirm... I'm doing pure coco&perlite and the coc needs to be buffered with calcium and magnesium to avoid this. I think you are doing 25% soil, so I don't think that is considered hydroponic anymore. I'd guess you would be wanting to target the soil pH range rather than the hydro pH range. Also I'd imagine that with a high percentage of coco you'd still be at risk of calcium deficiency. I buffered my coco, add a low concentration of calmag in my nutrients and also apply a calmag foliar spray (I got the calcium-magnesium-nitrate from hyrdroponics.co.za). (FWIW Personally I could not be any happier with the coco/perlite approach, I've seen a massive improvement in my plants since switching. However I've not grown in high quality soil so I can't actually compare. But I don't have much motivation to switch at at any point) Edited June 30, 2019 by highchome ph 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oolong83 Posted June 30, 2019 Author Share Posted June 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Trailblazer420 said: Why 5.8? Sent from my CLT-L29 using Tapatalk i read that with coco your ph should be between 5.0-6.0, is this wrong? whay should the proper ph be? 51 minutes ago, highchome said: Could it be early signs of calcium deficiency? Hopefully one of the pros can confirm... I'm doing pure coco&perlite and the coc needs to be buffered with calcium and magnesium to avoid this. I think you are doing 25% soil, so I don't think that is considered hydroponic anymore. I'd guess you would be wanting to target the soil pH range rather than the hydro pH range. Also I'd imagine that with a high percentage of coco you'd still be at risk of calcium deficiency. I buffered my coco, add a low concentration of calmag in my nutrients and also apply a calmag foliar spray (I got the calcium-magnesium-nitrate from hyrdroponics.co.za). (FWIW Personally I could not be any happier with the coco/perlite approach, I've seen a massive improvement in my plants since switching. However I've not grown in high quality soil so I can't actually compare. But I don't have much motivation to switch at at any point) The coco peat i use is pre-buffered, but i think these 2 were planted before i baught the buffered one. was a wet coco mix from nursery. Maybe add some Calmag to mix next time? i agree on the coco peat, love it, moerse improvement on my plants since i put them into cocomix. PS. idont use soil in the new ones anymore, only coco, perlite & vermiculite. i mixed one bag of perlite & vermiculite with one pre-buffered brick of cocopeat, the big one. will move these ladies into this mix once they ready for repotting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highchome Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 20 minutes ago, Oolong83 said: I dont use soil in the new ones anymore, only coco, perlite & vermiculite. Right, that makes it easier . I'm not sure what it would be with 25% soil, probably still the normal soil pH target. For pure coco/perlite you are doing hydroponics so use those targets Then it seems like 5.8 is the ideal range. I'm probably over cautious doing the calmag the way I'm doing it, but so far no issues... Hopefully someone can confirm that is is a Ca deficiency as I'm only guessing though. So if you are in pure coco/perlite (+vermiculite) you are doing at least daily watering with nutrients right? I'm doing twice a day, which seems very odd after having to restrain myself when growing in soil. I'm mostly following articles from cocoforcannabis.com but shout if you want more detail on what has been working for me Anyway here are two charts showing the pH targets, I hope the plants come right! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oolong83 Posted June 30, 2019 Author Share Posted June 30, 2019 I think im just gonna replant them into pure coco/perlite/vermiculite. Then its somma done. Also with the nutes i use, should i mix them or just use one mix per feeding? The bottles say not to mix, but the vids i watch the guys mix different nutes together? i also add some calmag to each feeding. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highchome Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Oolong83 said: Also with the nutes i use, should i mix them or just use one mix per feeding? I'm not sure , hopefully one of the organic growers can confirm. I know it can matter so I guess it is best to follow the instructions until you get an answer. I'm using synthetic nutrient and I do mix a batch for a few days which is convenient, the hortimix ferts have been really cost effective and work well so far. But not organic, so not an option if that matters to you. PS take a look at: https://www.420sa.co.za/index.php?/topic/2367-calcium/, there are some nice pics there that may help Edited June 30, 2019 by highchome 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bos Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 I'm growing outdoor organic in my own soil mix.50%Compost30%commercial potting soil20%riversandI feed sparingly with Seagrow and supplement with AACT for the rootzone.I only use rainwater or koipond water.Our Municipality messes with tap water too much. PH is all over the show.Less is more- we tend to think otherwise!!You need to be careful when mixing a whole bunch of stuff together. It usually causes more problems than it solves. Been there got the t-shirt. Shotgun remedies are bad.If the signs are on the old growth but the new growth looks good, give the plant some time. It wil show you what it needs.Members with similar growing conditions will probably be able to assist more.Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dank Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 @Oolong83 you could mix those nutrients together depending on what you want to achiive, higher N levels, etc. The most important is to keep a ratio, don't mix all of them full strength but in ratio, would be my advice. and also only when needed. Used on their own is easier not to screw up inmo. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highchome Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 36 minutes ago, Dank said: and also only when needed @Dank just to double check... Using pure coco/perlite is the same as hydroponics. The coco is only going to hold whatever you last watered, so you are supposed to add nutrients with every watering. I.e. its very unlike soil. The advantage is you get much more control since you can easily keep the pH, EC and nutrient levels exactly where you want them and adjust then very quickly (hours max). The disadvantage is that you need to add ferts (fertigate) much more often (at least daily). I'm not sure only using them when needed makes sense here? Perhaps it is different with these specific nutrients..., I know the guys on the coco forum have been trying with organics but I've not followed that closely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dank Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 (edited) @highchome usually growers would use a complete nutrient solution, ie, part 1, 2, 3 or veg and bloom, etc for hydroponic or semi hydro grows. Didnt catch the coco/perlite part, yeh that is hydro, the nutes he has there could be good for veg, not sure about flowering. Edited June 30, 2019 by Dank 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oolong83 Posted July 1, 2019 Author Share Posted July 1, 2019 OK, so i replanted those two WW ladies to COCO-MIX last night. im thinking of changing the feeding regiment, let me know what you guys think, every second day i will feed 25ml Kelpak 25ml all purpose 5ml Flora-coco grow 2ml Cal-mag ALL DILUTED INTO A 5LT water ph to 5.8 every other day i will water with only 25ml Kelpak and 2ml Cal-mag diluted into 5lt water ph to 5.8 Waht do you guys think? will this schedule be sufficient? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highchome Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 I've mostly seen the coco guys advising to keep the nutrients the same for all feeds. But the great thing about growing in coco is that if this does not work for you, then you can change how you do things and see results very quickly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oolong83 Posted July 1, 2019 Author Share Posted July 1, 2019 do you know where i can buy a cheap TDS meter pen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highchome Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 I think you are better off with an EC meter, I got this one for R300 https://growguru.co.za/products/basic-tds-ppm-ec-digital-water-meter TDS is based on EC. As far as I understand TDS is mostly EC*1000/2 (TDS500) but there are different standards. So you don't always know what you are comparing to. EC is just EC. If you want plain TDS meter though, you can get them on bidorbuy for ~R200 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oolong83 Posted July 1, 2019 Author Share Posted July 1, 2019 Im just basically looking for something measure ppm and maybe ph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highchome Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 I got this one for pH: https://www.takealot.com/portable-digital-ph-pen-meter-tester-pool-aquarium/PLID48545959 But you'll need to calibrate it weekly. So worth getting a pH 4.0 calibration mix, as well a "storage solution". As for TDS I'd still recommend an EC meter over a TDS one. The one I linked to does TDS as well so you are covered both ways with it. I wasted money on a TDS meter (that then broke), I should just have got the EC one to start with 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oolong83 Posted July 1, 2019 Author Share Posted July 1, 2019 https://www.ebay.com/itm/Electric-PH-TDS-EC-PPM-Conductivity-Meter-Tester-Hydroponics-Water-Test-Tool-US-/133015654586?var=&ef_id=Cj0KCQjw3uboBRDCARIsAO2XcYCAbJpqJ5PV02A3dbvDM94ONn8J2oHyWDTlwni3VZY75mDlv3Ium9kaAscBEALw_wcB:G:s check out his one on ebay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highchome Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Nice, exact ones I got but those are way less expensive. So just shipping and postage issues to sort out / worry about. But probably worth a try at that price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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