Jump to content

Recommended Posts

Hey guys, planning an organic grow, out doors, in pots though. Going with FF soil and biobizz. 

 

All the organic growers out there, which nutes do you use, and what additives? 

 

Been doing some reading about biobizz grow and fishmix, and I'm stuck on which to get, new to growing, and I've read that the fishmix can be a bit more forgiving, some do both, but got conflicting reports about it leading to possible nitrogen toxicity? Which do you use, and why?

 

Any input is appreciated. :poke

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Missmayhem,
We're doing an organic outdoor grow, using my own soil mix. I alternate with Seagrow, AACT and rainwater every 3 days approx depending on the plants requirements.

Cannabis plants require more nitrogen during vegetative growth, during flowering they require less. So if you want to use both, you can alternate between biobizz and fishmix(not sure if they can be mixed), but be aware that you'll have to reduce the N feeding during flowering. Too much N during flowering will cause toxicity.

FF soil is good(reviews on forum),have a look at the ''organic'' thread on this forum. Lots of info on FF soil and organic nutes.

Cheers..





Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

23 minutes ago, Bospatrollie2 said:

Missmayhem,
We're doing an organic outdoor grow, using my own soil mix. I alternate with Seagrow, AACT and rainwater every 3 days approx depending on the plants requirements.

Cannabis plants require more nitrogen during vegetative growth, during flowering they require less. So if you want to use both, you can alternate between biobizz and fishmix(not sure if they can be mixed), but be aware that you'll have to reduce the N feeding during flowering. Too much N during flowering will cause toxicity.

FF soil is good(reviews on forum),have a look at the ''organic'' thread on this forum. Lots of info on FF soil and organic nutes.

Cheers..emoji4.png





Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk
 

Hey there,

Thank you! 

May I ask what AACT is?

 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hey there,
Thank you! 
May I ask what AACT is?
 
AACT- Actively Aerated Compost Tea. Heard of it on this forum for the first time and now I'm converted brewer. Our plants have never looked better.

Have a look on this forum- plenty of info.
If you prefer Google- Try search for Heisenberg compost tea.

Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

AACT- Actively Aerated Compost Tea. Heard of it on this forum for the first time and now I'm converted brewer. Our plants have never looked better.

 

Have a look on this forum- plenty of info.

If you prefer Google- Try search for Heisenberg compost tea.

 

Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk

 

Basically aerate a compost tea?

 

What do you use to brew yours? Would a fish tank oxygenator be fine?

 

Sent from my MYA-L02 using Tapatalk

 

 

 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

You can use BioGrow and Fishmix for veg. Fishmix is nice to use during veg and you can use BioGrow through veg and quite some ways into flowering. You can brew a tea also but I've gotten good results with just the biobizz range. People that do get nitrogen toxicity are blindly following the manufacturer recommendations instead of looking at what the plant needs. Feeding with 1ml/L is more than enough, make sure you check pH with a pen or the basic drops. FF soil needs the feed to be pHd and I usually aim for about 5.5-6.2, but end up mostly around 5.8

Sent from my G3312 using Tapatalk

  • Like 2
  • Agree 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Basically aerate a compost tea?  
What do you use to brew yours? Would a fish tank oxygenator be fine?
 
Sent from my MYA-L02 using Tapatalk
 
 
 
The more air you put in the better so get yourself a nice air pump, leave the airstones off and let it brew. But yes a fishtank air pump should work as long as the bucket isn't too big

Sent from my G3312 using Tapatalk

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Basically aerate a compost tea?  
What do you use to brew yours? Would a fish tank oxygenator be fine?
 
Sent from my MYA-L02 using Tapatalk
 
 
 
Yes it will, leave the airstone off and just weigh the end of the pipe down.
My basic recipe...
20lit dechlorinated water
25ml seagrow(food for fungi)
25ml unsulphered molasses(bacteria)
500gr compost in netbag/stocking
(EWC will work too)
Let brew for 24hrs
Good signs- biofilm foam on top
Smells woody/musty/sweet/clean
Golden amber colour
Bad signs- turns dark-bad bacteria
Smells off,bad, stinky, rotten,shit
(Discard)
Don't try to brew constantly, do small batches and start each one fresh.

Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

You can use BioGrow and Fishmix for veg. Fishmix is nice to use during veg and you can use BioGrow through veg and quite some ways into flowering. You can brew a tea also but I've gotten good results with just the biobizz range. People that do get nitrogen toxicity are blindly following the manufacturer recommendations instead of looking at what the plant needs. Feeding with 1ml/L is more than enough, make sure you check pH with a pen or the basic drops. FF soil needs the feed to be pHd and I usually aim for about 5.5-6.2, but end up mostly around 5.8

Sent from my G3312 using Tapatalk


Fuck. Was hoping I wouldn't have to ph. Thought the soil regulates the ph? More precisely the microbes and the plant.

Sent from my MYA-L02 using Tapatalk

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

12 hours ago, Pat999 said:

You can use BioGrow and Fishmix for veg. Fishmix is nice to use during veg and you can use BioGrow through veg and quite some ways into flowering. You can brew a tea also but I've gotten good results with just the biobizz range. People that do get nitrogen toxicity are blindly following the manufacturer recommendations instead of looking at what the plant needs. Feeding with 1ml/L is more than enough, make sure you check pH with a pen or the basic drops. FF soil needs the feed to be pHd and I usually aim for about 5.5-6.2, but end up mostly around 5.8

Sent from my G3312 using Tapatalk
 

Thank you, that's really helpful.

 

15 minutes ago, Jedi Messiah said:

Fuck. Was hoping I wouldn't have to ph. Thought the soil regulates the ph? More precisely the microbes and the plant.

Sent from my MYA-L02 using Tapatalk
 

Yes, how important is the ph when using soil? 

Is it necessity or can I wing it?:rastabanana

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

 

3 hours ago, Bospatrollie2 said:

Yes it will, leave the airstone off and just weigh the end of the pipe down.
My basic recipe...
20lit dechlorinated water
25ml seagrow(food for fungi)
25ml unsulphered molasses(bacteria)
500gr compost in netbag/stocking
(EWC will work too)
Let brew for 24hrs
Good signs- biofilm foam on top
Smells woody/musty/sweet/clean
Golden amber colour
Bad signs- turns dark-bad bacteria
Smells off,bad, stinky, rotten,shit
(Discard)
Don't try to brew constantly, do small batches and start each one fresh.

Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk
 

Thank you, I really appreciate the recipe.

Definitely want to give it go sometime. :)

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Fuck. Was hoping I wouldn't have to ph. Thought the soil regulates the ph? More precisely the microbes and the plant.

Sent from my MYA-L02 using Tapatalk

You can try your luck if you wanted to bru but if it jumps around too much the slight pH buffer that is in there won't keep up and you'll have problems down the line. I don't always feed the exact same pH level either but I try and get it as close as possible

Sent from my G3312 using Tapatalk

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I have been there by not doing any pH to my plants, holy bananas did I get schooled. Its funny how these supersoil okes say the soil doesn't need to be fed but still does weekly compost teas

Sent from my G3312 using Tapatalk

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I have been there by not doing any pH to my plants, holy bananas did I get schooled. Its funny how these supersoil okes say the soil doesn't need to be fed but still does weekly compost teas

Sent from my G3312 using Tapatalk


Yeah, we won't push our luck. Will get one of those cheap ph testers. They should be fine? Exact same one someone was selling on the classifieds the other day.

Sent from my MYA-L02 using Tapatalk

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

this may be a noob question, but why do you leave the airstones off?
For more air bru. The airstones restricts it by a bit and puts out bubbles smaller than skittles
Yeah, we won't push our luck. Will get one of those cheap ph testers. They should be fine? Exact same one someone was selling on the classifieds the other day.

Sent from my MYA-L02 using Tapatalk

Yup they should be fine. You could also get the drop but they are a fucking hassle of note and it's better saving yourself the pain in the ass by getting a cheap pH pen

Sent from my G3312 using Tapatalk

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I thought you needed losta small bubbles to oxygenate the water properly
The small bubbles don't cause enough flow/disturbance in the water. Bigger bubbles breaking the surface are better. Airstones get gooey/clogged quickly and become a breeding ground for the wrong bacteria- you can cross contaminate your teas with the airstone.

Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

After some research, we've decided to just go for the fish mix. It's composed of grow and some added fishy goodness. Doesn't seem like there is much of an opinion on grow of fish mix in SA. Had to go looking on UK forums.

Thanks guys.

Regards J&M

Sent from my MYA-L02 using Tapatalk

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Restore formatting

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share

  • Similar Content

    • By Spaidan
      Hello growers
      I would love to have an opinion on this topic. Let me update you on what I have been working with. I have a one plant indoor grow inside a 80cm x 80cm grow tent. I use a 40l fabric pot with both Orgasoilux and Freedom farms soil (green bag). The bottom half I use Orgasoilux(20l) and the top half I use Freedom farms soil(20l). Throughout veg all I give the plant is Biodyne Environoc 401 (microbes), Molasses and water. This results in an extremely healthy plant.
      Once I flip to flower I start using organic bottled nutrients. In the past I have used Biobizz Bio-bloom, and more recently I have used Dirty hands inc - Bio-Phos (Jamie's brand). I give 3ml Bio-Phos once a week early flower and up it to 5ml every week mid to late flower. Plus a molasses feeding every 2 weeks and stopped using Biodyne microbes 1 week into flower.
      I was thinking about completely ditching bottled nutrients and going the topdressing route for flower. I was thinking of maybe topdressing a week before the flip with Jamie's elemental blend. I am just worried if it will provide enough for the plants through to harvest. I was also thinking of maybe using my own topdressing blend of Dry kelp, Gypsum, Malted Barley and Worm Castings. Would love an opinion on switching to topdressing for flower and if the elemental blend should be more than enough to take me to harvest. If you think I should just stick to bottled nutrients for flower let me know. I am going to include photo's of my 2 previous grows using the method I have stated above. Just trying to get the best quality flower possible :)
      Some thoughts of mine...…
      Topdressing vs Liquid Nutrients?
      Biobizz Bio-Bloom vs Dirty Hands Inc Bio-Phos?
      One topdressing enough 1 week before flip?
      Elemental Blend or my own flowering mix?
      ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      My Grow:
      Medium: Top Half Freedom Farms soil (20l) + bottom half Orgasoilux(20l)
      Additives and Amendments: Molasses + Biodyne Environoc 401 Microbes + Dirty Hands Inc - Bio-Phos + Mycoroot (seedling)
      -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      (Seedling)
      - Solo Cup + Freedom Farms soil + Mycoroot
      -Transplant in week 2 of veg to 40l
      -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      (Veg Stage)
      - initial inoculant 2ml Environoc Microbes
      -1ml per litre  Environoc every 2 weeks
      -5ml per litre Molasses every 2 weeks
      -Stop Environoc 1 week into flower
      ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      (Flower Stage)
      -3ml Bio-Phos every week (early flower)
      -5ml Bio-Phos every week (late flower)
      -5ml Molasses every 2 weeks
      -Stop Bio-Phos 2 weeks before harvest
      -Feed molasses until harvest
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Pictures below include TH seeds - Orangesicle + Trainwreck (darker leaves) and a photo of Orangesicle during veg
       
       



    • By StonerZN
      'Olla Bromigos!
      Getting started a little later this year than last, rain around this time in my neck of the woods played havoc with seedlings last year. 
      For this Season I am firmly in the Local is Lekker corner, and will be running a bunch of @Totemicand some @Bay Seeds sourced a while ago from the Legends at @Cannabist. Thank you all for the great deal and freebies! Very grateful and super keen 🙃

      So here we go! Up first 2 each of:
      Totemic - Green Gelato. Reg
      Totemic -Strawberry Deluxe. Fem
      Totemic - Strawberry Sugar Cookies. Fem
      Bay Seeds - AK Royal x Lemon Jedi X Choc Gelato. Reg
      Totemic - Gelato x Cherry CBD. Reg
       

      All seeds soaking since 4PMish, dechlorinated water with a spritz of Biodyne and BioBizz Root juice.
      Some king sized seeds, some so big they got stuck in the container and needed prying out.

      Very keen to get started! Some will go straight into pots from here, others via ziploc and paper towel route. Don't have enough side plates to separate 5 diff strains in paper towels etc. Will give the Fems the special treatment and let the Regs go au natural.
       
    • By afternoon blazer
      What up growmigos
      So got abit bored and wanted to do 1 last run before the year is up.
      Gona give the autos a break for now.
      STRAINS
      Regulars - Choc Gelato x Ghost Train Haze (5) shout out to @Totemic
      Feminized - White Rhino (5)
      Bag - OG Kush (3)
       
      Started off in small pots. Was all i had.
      And due to this not being an auto run, they would need transplants later on. ( i wanted to start small and then select the best babies to be transplanted.)
      Due to the unpredictability of the bag seeds and the regulars i decided to pot a few and see which will be worthy of a transplant.
      Im going to try and keep them outdoors for now. As my grow box currently has the Mixed auto run.
      If sprouting and growing goes well. I will then put them in the grow box and let the autos grow outdoors. (The autos havnt started flowering yet, so waiting on that)
      Seeds poted today. So first watering should be in a couple of days. Weather is bleek this week so pots not drying up too much.
      ✌😉

    • By afternoon blazer
      Howzit fine people.
       
      Next run on the go.
      Next seed supplier on the hit list "Groen seeds"  . . . They had a special on that i couldnt resist.
       
      So apparently these are autos. But unknown strains. They had a bag of 5 autos for 100 bucks.
      I also ran out of pots. So had to make a plan. According to my estimates. They are in 12 liters of soil. And the small pot is a 8 liter.
      Potted on thursday morning. 14-10-20
      Freedom farms soil. Biobizz nutez.

    • By Bakstein420
      So I decided to grow some autos outdoors to replenish my stash while I mainline the Ethos ladies.  I grabbed a 5 pack of Fastbud's C4 but lost 4 of the seedlings to heavy winds.
      The remaining survivor went in the cupboard to help her get established before facing the outdoor forces. 
      I slowly introduced her to life beyond the wall till she started pushing pistils recently. 



×
×
  • Create New...