Biltong and Dud's

[Za Weed Lover]

So I starting growing real genetics last year ,around this time.

I have always ordered from bnb, most of the seeds didn't pop or just died.

Recently I bought some autos seeds and they didn't pop again. So I bought another pack of the same seeds and guess what nothing popped.

Plus I ordered so og autos 3 and I received 5, the pack says 3 ,so how did 5 get in there?

 

I have germinated a quite a few seeds in my short time.

I am currently growing some GRS seeds, there white skunk #1 is looking good but some of the other ones are struggling.

 

Clearly we have seed bank problem in this country and seems there is some scaly-ness going on.

For me being so new to this, kinder puts me off growing. Feel so said for people that wanted to grow themselves and ended up selling there things because they thought they couldn't grow. But really just kak seedbanks.

 

Won't be ordering from these 2 ever again

 

 

Has anyone ordered overseas and dont mind waiting for ,great genetics.

Is there local genetics,that are worth it?

 

I love growing..

 

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[PsyCLown]

Well, which seeds did you order? From which breeder?

I know GSR has had issues with their seeds not popping before. Some of my friends have ordered from BnB and not had issues with seeds but another purchased some auto seeds from expert seeds I think and he had one pop only. He's never bought those seeds again and has had great success with all other seeds.

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[SkunkPharm]

I don't think it is the seed bank selling the seeds that is the problem. I just think that some feminized seeds have an issue in general sprouting. But sometimes you can just see that the seeds you got is kak no fault of the people selling it. I suggest sticking with reputable seed companies like Green house seed, Dinafem, RQS and Humboldt if you are a beginner grower. I have never had an issue with their seeds. Also try to buy popular seeds that would not have sat in someone's fridge for 6 months to a year.

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[Za Weed Lover]

I don't think it is the seed bank selling the seeds that is the problem. I just think that some feminized seeds have an issue in general sprouting. But sometimes you can just see that the seeds you got is kak no fault of the people selling it. I suggest sticking with reputable seed companies like Green house seed, Dinafem, RQS and Humboldt if you are a beginner grower. I have never had an issue with their seeds. Also try to buy popular seeds that would not have sat in someone's fridge for 6 months to a year.

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Okay that fair enough, just haven't had any luck with them. Guess we all have unique experiences.

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[Dank]

High @Za Weed Lover , welcome to the forum!

Why not get from some of Totemics beans or Canuks here at https://store.420sa.co.za/product-category/seeds/

I can vouch for Totemics beans not having much issues germinating, and sure the other beans would be legit on 420SA store.

 

Side note, sometimes the overseas beans need a bit of pampering, but usually they come alright. What method do you use to germinate?

[Za Weed Lover]

High @Za Weed Lover , welcome to the forum!
Why not get from some of Totemics beans or Canuks here at https://store.420sa.co.za/product-category/seeds/
I can vouch for Totemics beans not having much issues germinating, and sure the other beans would be legit on 420SA store.
 
Side note, sometimes the overseas beans need a bit of pampering, but usually they come alright. What method do you use to germinate?

Thank for the addition, legend. I soak and then on a heating pad but first set where on paper towel.

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[Dank]

8 minutes ago, Za Weed Lover said:

Thank for the addition, legend. I soak and then on a heating pad but first set where on paper towel.

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Yeh that should do the trick (heating pad not over 22 -25 degrees), not sure what is up with these beans being sold in SA, have been hearing similar stories, some say beans are being microwaved, ie radiated, so that you keep buying more seeds. 

More likely they are being radiated on the way through customs in two countries, this is a issue for Orchid breeders and other plant lovers.

Edited November 17, 2019 by Dank

[Za Weed Lover]

Yeh that should do the trick, not sure what is up with these beans being sold in SA, have been hearing similar stories, some say beans are being microwaved, ie radiated, so that you keep buying more seeds. 
More likely they are being radiated on the way through customs in two countries, this is a issue for Orchid breeders and other plant lovers.

Now that something I haven't heard, such craziness, I hope it isn't such.. it sucks flashing money down the drain. Some of us enjoy growing more then smoking. So dampens the experience.

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[Dank]

Yeh its like school fees @Za Weed Lover stick to the forum man, it will turn out good and green  keep ya head up growmie! 

[420SA]

@Za Weed Lover what is your germing technique exactly? How long do you soak for? You mention a heating pad, what do the seeds go in when you move them onto a heating pad?

I'm not saying you're guilty of it but I've seen so many guys go overboard when germing seeds and that's often where the problem lies.

I agree with @SkunkPharm though. Stick with reputable breeders. Too many fly by night breeders with very little evidence of their genetics in action. They may have some great phenos but equally as many terrible ones (Green house seed co. also guilty of this). If you see a strain that you fancy, google the shit out of it. Look for grow diaries on forums. Don't rely on images from the breeder. Look for independent views on the strains. Seedfinder can help too https://en.seedfinder.eu/ 

[1000Hills Nursery]

There are many factors to look at in your situation before blaming the seedbanks.

Sometimes you do get dud seeds. It's best to 1stly always buy seeds in sealed breeders packs. I've used both of the local seedbanks you have had issues with. GSR for many years and BnB since they 1st opened up. The only issue I've had was with GSR with their in-house genetics. The plants were nothing close to what they were supposed to be. Sometimes you do get dud seeds. I've ordered from international seedbanks and found that a lot of times the freebies don't pop or they take a long time to germinate. (that's if my parcel is not confiscated by our local bubu's)

If I were you I would relook at my germination techniques and 100% rule that out before blaming the seedbanks. There are just to many variables. A lot of these seeds travel the world prior to reaching our shores. Poor handling and storage by all involved play a huge role in the viability of the seeds. As a rule I always try germinate all the seeds I buy in each batch and cull or give away the extras.

Just keep it simple and don't lose hope. 

[Kgrows]

ya i agree with @Mambawana you need to look at your germination technique before blaming seedbanks, as most of them are stocking well known genetics. unless you're buying in bulk, then you should expect a few duds. that being said it very well could be that at any point in the distribution chain the storage/handling could fuck up the seeds, i'd strongly suggest you get in contact with the seedbank and talk to them about it, they'll probably end up giving you some freebies, but your info could help them identify where the problem is. this happened to me a few years ago, with a bad batch of seeds & i ended up getting looked after very nicely.

I recently bought a whole bunch of single seeds from a well know local seedbank & so far i've had a very low germ/success rate, like 20% where i normally get bout 90%. half of them were badly packaged & the rest were in sealed breeder packs. So the issue must have been with the seedbank.

I feel your pain though. My biggest issue at the moment is the way the online hydro-scammers are raping us on prices & delivery fees, they really pull the piss. You cant order everything you need from one place, you need to piece it together from multiple places who are all fucking partners anyways, but you end up having to pay double delivery at their ridiculous rates. My fuck i'm over spending so much money on growing, these owes are making millions while they exploit this emerging market & to top it off they have their little scams that they run to trick the unsuspecting consumers.

an example: i was putting together an order for a bunch of things, approx R1500 in total, delivery fees at +R350 so total at R1850, then i wanted some batteries for my EC & PH pens, they're like R35 in total. So i asked them if they could make a plan, as one of their affiliates sell them, they got back to me & said this: we dont stock batts, but our bluelab instruments take those batteries, or something to that effect(trying to sell me new instruments). That fucked me off as i've already bought the fucking instruments from them at R1.5k+ each. To add insult to injury, i had a look at the other site, added stuff to my order, total at R200, then delivery at R350+ again???? so i looked into sending the courier guy to collect for me, ended up being like R200 for both collections instead of R700+! fuck them! i'm boycotting them, going full organic & producing my own nutrients etc from now & sticking to the main stream garden suppliers, as they're not as rapey as these "specialised" suppliers. I'm not going to put a single cent more into their bullshit anymore.

[Za Weed Lover]

@Za Weed Lover what is your germing technique exactly? How long do you soak for? You mention a heating pad, what do the seeds go in when you move them onto a heating pad?
I'm not saying you're guilty of it but I've seen so many guys go overboard when germing seeds and that's often where the problem lies.
I agree with @SkunkPharm though. Stick with reputable breeders. Too many fly by night breeders with very little evidence of their genetics in action. They may have some great phenos but equally as many terrible ones (Green house seed co. also guilty of this). If you see a strain that you fancy, google the shit out of it. Look for grow diaries on forums. Don't rely on images from the breeder. Look for independent views on the strains. Seedfinder can help too https://en.seedfinder.eu/ 

I have tried some, but I did 24 to 48 hour soak and put between paper towel. But then the second time round in the same plate and on the heating pad. Cover them 7n a breathable paper. I have one more left and want to try one last time. So open to anything. Putting them straight in the ground it just to risky

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[Za Weed Lover]

There are many factors to look at in your situation before blaming the seedbanks.
Sometimes you do get dud seeds. It's best to 1stly always buy seeds in sealed breeders packs. I've used both of the local seedbanks you have had issues with. GSR for many years and BnB since they 1st opened up. The only issue I've had was with GSR with their in-house genetics. The plants were nothing close to what they were supposed to be. Sometimes you do get dud seeds. I've ordered from international seedbanks and found that a lot of times the freebies don't pop or they take a long time to germinate. (that's if my parcel is not confiscated by our local bubu's)
If I were you I would relook at my germination techniques and 100% rule that out before blaming the seedbanks. There are just to many variables. A lot of these seeds travel the world prior to reaching our shores. Poor handling and storage by all involved play a huge role in the viability of the seeds. As a rule I always try germinate all the seeds I buy in each batch and cull or give away the extras.
Just keep it simple and don't lose hope. 

I have also thought that as well. Guess it's all a gamble.

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[Za Weed Lover]

ya i agree with @Mambawana you need to look at your germination technique before blaming seedbanks, as most of them are stocking well known genetics. unless you're buying in bulk, then you should expect a few duds. that being said it very well could be that at any point in the distribution chain the storage/handling could fuck up the seeds, i'd strongly suggest you get in contact with the seedbank and talk to them about it, they'll probably end up giving you some freebies, but your info could help them identify where the problem is. this happened to me a few years ago, with a bad batch of seeds & i ended up getting looked after very nicely.
I recently bought a whole bunch of single seeds from a well know local seedbank & so far i've had a very low germ/success rate, like 20% where i normally get bout 90%. half of them were badly packaged & the rest were in sealed breeder packs. So the issue must have been with the seedbank.
I feel your pain though. My biggest issue at the moment is the way the online hydro-scammers are raping us on prices & delivery fees, they really pull the piss. You cant order everything you need from one place, you need to piece it together from multiple places who are all fucking partners anyways, but you end up having to pay double delivery at their ridiculous rates. My fuck i'm over spending so much money on growing, these owes are making millions while they exploit this emerging market & to top it off they have their little scams that they run to trick the unsuspecting consumers.
an example: i was putting together an order for a bunch of things, approx R1500 in total, delivery fees at +R350 so total at R1850, then i wanted some batteries for my EC & PH pens, they're like R35 in total. So i asked them if they could make a plan, as one of their affiliates sell them, they got back to me & said this: we dont stock batts, but our bluelab instruments take those batteries, or something to that effect(trying to sell me new instruments). That fucked me off as i've already bought the fucking instruments from them at R1.5k+ each. To add insult to injury, i had a look at the other site, added stuff to my order, total at R200, then delivery at R350+ again???? so i looked into sending the courier guy to collect for me, ended up being like R200 for both collections instead of R700+! fuck them! i'm boycotting them, going full organic & producing my own nutrients etc from now & sticking to the main stream garden suppliers, as they're not as rapey as these "specialised" suppliers. I'm not going to put a single cent more into their bullshit anymore.

Feel your pain . But I also want to go full, self sufficient and not relay on anyone, for anything

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[Stinger96]

U must say.. My first experience with B&B was very dissapointing.. 

[Jedi Messiah]

I've only dealt with B&B twice, and I was pleasantly surprised at the service. first time around was when the grow shop was still up, got nutes and seeds. all the seeds were from bulk seed bank. 5 didn't pop out of 8. needless to say, was pissed off, but chalked it up to school fees, then I read on here that they have a replacement policy for seeds that fail to germ, contacted them, didn't have the seeds we had originally ordered in stock, so they replaced it with seeds that were more expensive, only got 4, not 5, but was more than happy because it was better genetics, all of the seeds popped and had a taproot, but again, not having enough experience I managed to kill 2 of them. might be bias, but I love B&B.

to be fair though I haven't had any experience with another seed bank to compare it to, but I don't feel the need to compare.

[Stinger96]

It's just not a good impression when you're  bag seed grows like fire and you then buy the "good" stuff and it turns into this...

We germinated and grew the autos in 3 different soils... Nothing.. 3mnts to date and u won't even get a puf.

[Bakstein420]

@Za Weed Lover

I recently had issues with germinating some GSR seeds.  Out of 4 seeds only 1 started a tap root and then died shortly after, the other 3 did nothing,

I got hold of Steve from GSR and explained the issue as well as my germination technique and they replaced the seeds.

I would recommend contacting BNB and GSR, most likely they will replace your beans.

[Stinger96]

School fees..

[Bakstein420]

@Za Weed Lover

Have you tried contacting them?  

[trichomechaser]

On 11/17/2019 at 7:21 AM, Za Weed Lover said:

 

So I starting growing real genetics last year ,around this time.

I have always ordered from bnb, most of the seeds didn't pop or just died.

Recently I bought some autos seeds and they didn't pop again. So I bought another pack of the same seeds and guess what nothing popped.

Plus I ordered so og autos 3 and I received 5, the pack says 3 ,so how did 5 get in there?

 

I have germinated a quite a few seeds in my short time.

I am currently growing some GRS seeds, there white skunk #1 is looking good but some of the other ones are struggling.

 

Clearly we have seed bank problem in this country and seems there is some scaly-ness going on.

For me being so new to this, kinder puts me off growing. Feel so said for people that wanted to grow themselves and ended up selling there things because they thought they couldn't grow. But really just kak seedbanks.

 

Won't be ordering from these 2 ever again

 

 

Has anyone ordered overseas and dont mind waiting for ,great genetics.

Is there local genetics,that are worth it?

 

I love growing..

 

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Hey there,

I help out Biltong and Budz with their orders. I've popped around 40 seeds that I've received from various breeders through B&B, and while not all have germed, about 92% have. Last 2 batches (20 seeds) have had 100% germination success.

I realize I may come across as biased, but I only want to help you determine where your problem lies. Biltong and Budz don't breed their own seeds (think there was 1 pack that they did), so whatever else you buy (unless a local breeder) is being imported directly through the seed banks you'd buy from if you ordered internationally. The seed banks that carry them don't really have control over the viability of the seeds, it's all about picking seeds from a quality breeder, more so than the seed bank.
 

On 11/18/2019 at 6:33 AM, Stinger96 said:

It's just not a good impression when you're  bag seed grows like fire and you then buy the "good" stuff and it turns into this...

We germinated and grew the autos in 3 different soils... Nothing.. 3mnts to date and u won't even get a puf.

The issue here is 100% the mediums you're using, not sure about the other 2 but when I started growing a few years back I made the mistake of using a soil like that and had the exact same issues with my plants. It isn't the genetics, it's the soil in this case. Avoid barky soil you find at garden shops, cannabis does not do well in it at all! Avoid barky or woody soils. They all stunt in exactly the same way, and look like the plant in the image. Barky soil is typically very acidic and also quite hot. That is why you see what you do here, a plant that has both deficiencies and burns. 

Edited November 19, 2019 by trichomechaser

[Stinger96]

Same soil..

But I hear what u are saying. I will not buy from the bulk seed bank again. Single cheap seeds might also be the problem. I will give another auto or two a try in FF.. 

[trichomechaser]

6 minutes ago, Stinger96 said:

Same soil..

But I hear what u are saying. I will not buy from the bulk seed bank again. Single cheap seeds might also be the problem. I will give another auto or two a try in FF.. 

I'm still convinced it's the soil bud, compare it to the others who have used that type of soil here: 

 You'll see what I mean.

And you'd be surprised what a difference you'll see in something like Freedom Farms or Organics Matters or Jamie's Garden Shop soil... 

It's not the cheap seeds either - here are some of my Bulk Seed Bank R60 autos from B&B. No failed germination issues with them either. But remember, no matter the breeder - autos are fussy as hell and require a lot more 'ideal' conditions than photoperiods if you're going to be happy with the results in many cases. But these are the same cheap genetics that people hate on and I found them great for the price.

[420SA]

I'm gonna get flack for saying this but if you keep going for autos your chances of duds are higher as well.