Smelly Joe's Indoor Run

[Smelly Joe]

3 hours ago, PsyCLown said:

Why not leave it for 24 - 36 hours?

 

Went and did some reading and it turns out it needs to brew between 24 and 36 hours. Will give it to them tomorrow. 

Does all this hardwork with the tea's and shit help plants even though they are in a 50 50 mix of coir / perlite. Or would it be better to give it to soil rather??? 

[1000Hills Nursery]

3 hours ago, Smelly Joe said:

Not sure why actually.... Just always did it like that. Maybe I'll let it brew then till tomorrow then and just feed the mineral ladies tonight... 

I really admire your love for your plants. It's all trial and error. All your efforts eventually does pay off.

I have to say though I would brew it longer like @PsyCLown asked. Give all those beautiful ingredients a chance to get all that beneficials to populate. Once you see that creamy foam on top... it's like when you got that very 1st cheese burger and double thick milkshake at whimpy...

[1000Hills Nursery]

20 minutes ago, Smelly Joe said:

Went and did some reading and it turns out it needs to brew between 24 and 36 hours. Will give it to them tomorrow. 

Does all this hardwork with the tea's and shit help plants even though they are in a 50 50 mix of coir / perlite. Or would it be better to give it to soil rather??? 

It would definitely help your medium provided you treating it like soil the whole grow and not pouring salts into the medium. That would work against what you are doing with the teas. 

Just a question, what's the purpose of the perlite in your grow style.

[Smelly Joe]

7 hours ago, Mambawana said:

 

Just a question, what's the purpose of the perlite in your grow style.

It's for airration. I grew in clean coco before but the coco holds to much water and raises the humidity to much for me in the tent. With the perlite it dries out a bit quicker and flushing time won't be so wet. 

The tea is still going strong. Will have a look at it when I get home tonight......

This whole getting up and going to work thing starts to suck. LokL

[1000Hills Nursery]

2 hours ago, Smelly Joe said:

This whole getting up and going to work thing starts to suck. LokL

I have to agree. Would prefer spending the day with my girls...oh and my wife too...

[greenkush]

12 hours ago, Smelly Joe said:

Went and did some reading and it turns out it needs to brew between 24 and 36 hours. Will give it to them tomorrow. 

Does all this hardwork with the tea's and shit help plants even though they are in a 50 50 mix of coir / perlite. Or would it be better to give it to soil rather??? 

Brewing tea for coco is pointless, there is no biological matter in coco for the microbes to decompose and convert.

[greenkush]

12 hours ago, Mambawana said:

It would definitely help your medium provided you treating it like soil the whole grow and not pouring salts into the medium. That would work against what you are doing with the teas. 

Just a question, what's the purpose of the perlite in your grow style.

You cant treat a medium like another medium, if that medium lacks the basic essential components. Coco is inert.

[1000Hills Nursery]

18 minutes ago, greenkush said:

You cant treat a medium like another medium, if that medium lacks the basic essential components. Coco is inert.

You can definitely treat coco like soil...

Everybody keeps hyping about coco being inert... what does that have to do with not treating coco like soil?

What basic essentials does coco lack?

Remember when you preparing a soil mix you have to amend it with things like compost and worm castings to get all the beneficials and microbial life a boost to populate. The same goes with coco, amend it and you now growing organically.

Please explain to us, there are guys here that use biobizz products in coco, how do those plants take up those nutrients when they not readily available like salts?

 

[CreX]

I agree... 

With coco, you either stick to one style or the other... 

I have had magnificent success with microbes and teas in my DWC.. But that's with inoculations from the word go. 

The mycorrhizal fungi is chilled because it attaches itself to the roots and the roots feed them. 

I wouldn't use teas in your coco if you plan to reuse any of the coco... But if you aren't... Then I would go with teas in the coco... 

Greenkush is correct in saying that the medium is inert so if you over dose on microbes, there won't be enough food to go around... And some will die... 

That is bad because they rot and decay.. And just cause a whole bunch of shit. 

Molasses in the coco will help feed them... But you also don't want to go too heavy with that. 

Try a few things out... Play a bit... Get a feel for the coco and microbes, and let other plants go without

[greenkush]

3 minutes ago, Mambawana said:

You can definitely treat coco like soil...

Everybody keeps hyping about coco being inert... what does that have to do with not treating coco like soil?

What basic essentials does coco lack?

Remember when you preparing a soil mix you have to amend it with things like compost and worm castings to get all the beneficials and microbial life a boost to populate. The same goes with coco, amend it and you now growing organically.

Please explain to us, there are guys here that use biobizz products in coco, how do those plants take up those nutrients when they not readily available like salts?

 

Firstly. Go look up the meaning of the word inert.

We are talking pure coco and perlite here, not amended coco with compost, biochar, rock phosphate, worm castings - When you start adding all that stuff you are on the path to a soil/living soil and it is no longer insert -- entirely different thing.

The people using biobizz generally use the fish mix, which does not require any microbial break down (Don't believe me, go read on the website). Bio grow requires soil, while some attempt to use it in coco, its not advised and not as effective.

Plain coco and perlite is inert, this is no hype, but actually based on science, not some pseudoscience.
 

[1000Hills Nursery]

3 minutes ago, CreX said:

I agree... 

With coco, you either stick to one style or the other... 

I have had magnificent success with microbes and teas in my DWC.. But that's with inoculations from the word go. 

The mycorrhizal fungi is chilled because it attaches itself to the roots and the roots feed them. 

I wouldn't use teas in your coco if you plan to reuse any of the coco... But if you aren't... Then I would go with teas in the coco... 

Greenkush is correct in saying that the medium is inert so if you over dose on microbes, there won't be enough food to go around... And some will die... 

That is bad because they rot and decay.. And just cause a whole bunch of shit. 

Molasses in the coco will help feed them... But you also don't want to go too heavy with that. 

Try a few things out... Play a bit... Get a feel for the coco and microbes, and let other plants go without

I hear what you saying and you are correct. I think somehow we all just misunderstanding what he's trying to do. He wants to get away from buying nutrients and still use coco. 1stly I wouldn't use 50/50 perlite. I would setup a worm bin and compost heap at home and use that to feed microbes which will feed the plants. And then make teas etc to provide the extra essentials required at different stages of the grow.

[greenkush]

3 minutes ago, Mambawana said:

I hear what you saying and you are correct. I think somehow we all just misunderstanding what he's trying to do. He wants to get away from buying nutrients and still use coco. 1stly I wouldn't use 50/50 perlite. I would setup a worm bin and compost heap at home and use that to feed microbes which will feed the plants. And then make teas etc to provide the extra essentials required at different stages of the grow.

No he's not, he's just experimenting, he uses seagrow and guano.

[1000Hills Nursery]

3 minutes ago, greenkush said:

Firstly. Go look up the meaning of the word inert.

We are talking pure coco and perlite here, not amended coco with compost, biochar, rock phosphate, worm castings - When you start adding all that stuff you are on the path to a soil/living soil and it is no longer insert -- entirely different thing.

The people using biobizz generally use the fish mix, which does not require any microbial break down (Don't believe me, go read on the website). Bio grow requires soil, while some attempt to use it in coco, its not advised and not as effective.

Plain coco and perlite is inert, this is no hype, but actually based on science, not some pseudoscience.
 

None of what I'm saying is based on reading. I'm not an internet troll. I'm a synthetic grower. 

I do agree if you leave the coco inert then teas are going to do nothing. How do you wake up that coco without adding soil? Amend it... You missing the point here. He wants to grow using organically derived nutrients. Instead of saying what is inert etc, assist with how to go about making coco organic.

But I got no time for arguing with you. End of the day there is no real right way or wrong way. If the plant is growing and is healthy something right must be happening...

[1000Hills Nursery]

26 minutes ago, greenkush said:

33 minutes ago, greenkush said:

 

The people using biobizz generally use the fish mix, which does not require any microbial break down (Don't believe me, go read on the website). Bio grow requires soil, while some attempt to use it in coco, its not advised and not as effective.

 

So it's not advised to be used in coco? By you or biobizz?

 

[greenkush]

3 minutes ago, Mambawana said:

 

You do know I said it could be used in coco right? So your little strawman attempt has fallen flat.  I said the bioGROW was not advised for coco.

[1000Hills Nursery]

1 minute ago, greenkush said:

You do know I said it could be used in coco right? So your little strawman attempt has fallen flat.  I said the bioGROW was not advised for coco.

You should re-read what you said, instead you want to get defensive and have a personal dig at me so let's just leave it out.

I apologize to this thread for the arguing and immature behavior. 

[420SA]

Trying to understand what's going on here lol

@Smelly Joe from what I understand you're growing in a 50/50 coco perlite medium and trying to feed only with organic ferts, teas, and no salts?

[420SA]

If that is the case then PH is gonna be your biggest enemy and will continue to be I'm afraid. Coco perlite from the onset generally has a high PH so you would correct this by feeding with salt ferts at a PH of around 5.8 and stick with that every single feed/watering. The thing with adding organic ferts to an inert medium is you don't have anything in that inert medium such as lime to buffer the PH which can easily go all over the place when adding organic ferts and compost teas. Even if you PH a compost tea, which seems quite ridiculous but most likely possible, the PH could still change considerably while sitting in your medium.

Your grow can work. Perhaps it has already worked a good number of times for you. But you are setting yourself up for a not so smooth ride. Happy to be proven wrong though 

[Smelly Joe]

@Mambawana @420SA @greenkush @CreX

Thanx for participating in that debate. 

Yes I'm growing in 50 50 coco perlite only. The reason for that is plainly and probably stupid, just to see what can be done with the 2 ways of feeding. 

By no means did I want any argument amongst growers but the opinions is nice to read. For the Oragnic feed I'm feeding Seagro and Guano and will be using Bio-Bloom for flower. Eventually I'll move over to mineral feeding for indoors but before that I just have to do a test, for myself. 

I ended up giving the tea to the outdoor plants, or 2 of them atleast. I'll stick to Organics outdoor but indoor I'm not to sure anymore....

[1000Hills Nursery]

Kind of childish on my part. Maybe partly lack of thc in the system together with some issues in the garden. Sorry guys.

 

[PsyCLown]

I must be honest, when I made teas and gave them to my indoor plants which were in Organics Matter soil and being fed with BioBizz, I did not really notice any difference... So I kinda stopped with the teas. Although I also use to do regular microbe inoculations soo, I dunno. lol

 

Perhaps if I was growing in an inferior soil and was not doing the microbe inoculations I would have noticed a bigger difference, not sure.

[420SA]

12 hours ago, Smelly Joe said:

The reason for that is plainly and probably stupid, just to see what can be done with the 2 ways of feeding. 

Give it go! I'm keen to see the results

[Smelly Joe]

Bio-Bloom girls:

Chocolope..... 

Shiskaberry... 

 

And the Mineral Ladies... 

Bruce Banner #3... 

 

Bruce Banner x Girl Scout Cookies... 

So far all 4 ladies are doing good. Got my pH pen today so I will be more spot on regarding feeding. So far I've been quite good or just lucky. But if it's not luck then that manual pH test kit from the hydro store works good. 

I just need to go and double check the dates of them all and then I'll do a proper detailed lowdown on each one. 

Until then have a great evening... 

[Smelly Joe]

Update time after a long break of not posting. I do apologize for not updating but life happens....

This is an updated pic of the tent..... 

Since the last update I have stopped using Bio-Bloom due to costs. So now all of them is on mineral feed. And I am not complaining about the results. 

#1: Bruce Banner x Girl Scout Cookies

This one is amazing and is surprising me from the moment of flowering. She is smelling very fruity and sticky when touching leaving you having to clean your hands otherwise everything sticks to your hands. Definitely gonna need gloves when trimming this lady. She is in her 6th week of flower and already rock hard. And with another 4 weeks to go things is gonna get super hard and heavy

#2 Bruce Banner #3 

Wow this strain is just one of those strains that needs to be kept alive. The crystal formation is amazing and the smelss when handling her is intoxicating. She also hardens quick but the real pleasure is when she cured a bit. That taste is just mind blowing and the stone is strong. A definite must for any grower that likes a strong and tasty strain....

#3  Chocolope 

Flowering slower than the other ones and not as hard bud as the others. I think she will probably take a bit longer to finish up than the other ones. I topped her in the beginning and have a few main colas forming. At some point I will have to clean her up a bit more but I'll let her flower some more and keep that bottom strip for hash. 

#4 Red Cherry Berry 

Well what can I say??? She isn't in the flower tent that long. I put her in on the the 20th (Friday) and she is just showed pistils. I flowered this strain out before and hoping to improve from my previous attempt

And that's about it for now. Have a awesome day and Christmas. 

 

 

[Smelly Joe]

I have extra time on my hands and decided to post some bud porn for those who is into that kinda things. 

Shiskaberry drying. Need to manicure her a little bit but don't have some those small scissors atm:

Some hard and sticky BB x GSC 

Full on crystal production at its finest:

And lastly is the chocolope catching up in the looks department :