Smelly Joe's Indoor Run

[Smelly Joe]

So I asked myself the question, " what do I do with the extra plants I have??? " 

Answer is, go buy some perlite and coco coir. It quite cheap if you buy in bulk and do your homework. There is a company called INFIGRO that is based in Blackheath. They're prices is good. 

Perlite - R220 for 100L 

Vermiculite - R145 for 100L 

Coco Coir R40 for 4.5kg block

But back to the story at hand. I got myself perlite and coir as I said, then headed over to the hydro store and picked up some Calmag, a cheap pH meter (the bottle one, works OK to test pH) and headed home. Buffered the coco, flushed it and mixed up a 50 50 mix of coco perlite. 

Reason for going with this mix is that it's cheap, can be re-used, flushes much better and doesn't bring those fucking fungus gnats we all came to love... 

cough cough Freedom Farm cough cough........

I wanted to use 4 x 15L pots but sadly only had 2 spare. So I used 2 x 25L and 2 x 15L pots next run I'll do all 4 with the same size. And with that I also decided to do a little test. Main reason for getting the pH meter cause I have a bag of mineral feed used for flowering orchids. I used it once before and I worked well so I thought I'd do a test.

2 of them will be fed with Bio Bloom and the other 2 will get a mineral feed. I know there is better mineral feed out there but this is what I have on hand now and if I like the results then I'll fork out money and get better nutrition for the ladies. 

The Bio-Bloom plants:

Shiskaberry 

Chocolope 

The 2 mineral plants:

Bruce Banner #3 x Bruce Banner #3

Bruce Banner x Girl Scout Cookies 

 

The flowering light cycle will be the gas lantern cycle which means the light cycle is as follows:

8 hours on / 16 hours off. 

I used it on my previous grow but with that one I dropped the light cycle with 30 min every 2 weeks until I came to 8 hours on and 16 hours off. This time I am starting the cycle with the cycle at  8 /16. This method does not allow that all to well known stretch and is perfect for vegging a bit longer or for heavy Sativa dominant plants. The most stecth I noticed was 2 cm...

The 1st time I heard/read about this method was on Grow Weed Easy and ever since then I always wanted to try it. 

Reson for the extra plants is because I love to plant seeds. I over planted and guessed I would have more males...guess I was wrong. So now I have them andagain it something I wanted to do for quite a while - side by side grow, organic vs mineral..... I know the Bruce Banner is not  well trained but it was kinda last minute decision. 

That's about it for ins and outs on what's going down in the tent. Come on by, hang out and talk shit. Maybe even share some tips on how I fuck up . 

Edited November 17, 2019 by Smelly Joe

[Smelly Joe]

The leafs on the Bruce Banner and BB x GSC leafs started drooping and cupping. Of course I freaked but after an hour of lights on they recovered. There is no air movement during lights off. Is this a problem??? 

Temps during lights on is a constant 25C.. Will need to measure temps with lights out. When lights come on I can smell a deep musky plant smell. Typical build up of gasses. 

[1000Hills Nursery]

4 hours ago, Smelly Joe said:

The leafs on the Bruce Banner and BB x GSC leafs started drooping and cupping. Of course I freaked but after an hour of lights on they recovered. There is no air movement during lights off. Is this a problem??? 

Temps during lights on is a constant 25C.. Will need to measure temps with lights out. When lights come on I can smell a deep musky plant smell. Typical build up of gasses. 

I would definitely leave fans and ventilation on 24/7. Monitor that plant that has the cupping effect on the leaves. It's not the normal lights off droop. Might be 1st signs that something is going wrong in the medium. Either unbuffered coco and/or to the ph is off. Check ph and ec of run off so you can get some peace of mind. Atleast you in coco so it will be easy to correct.

[Smelly Joe]

Wow your good man. LoL

 

It's a coco /perlite mix and it was pointed out to me about the pH and ec. That's the stuff that have never worried about before. This mineral feeding isn't as straight forward as organic nutes. The coco was buffered but the pH might be the culprit. 

 

I could easily flush and go over to the bio bloom like the other 2 but what the point of taking on a new challenge and giving up??? I am gonna get these 2 plants sorted out again soon. 

Thanx for your input 

Edited November 23, 2019 by Smelly Joe

[CreX]

The adjustment in pH should be fairly easy to resolve though... 

Measure your runoff pH, and make a mix with a higher or lower pH, and stick to that for a few feeds and you should be fine. 

I would leave a flush for a more serious problem if one does crop up. The new growth with the leaves with 3 blades... Indicates a weird light schedule, even new New growth in veg has the 5 spokes... Just something to consider

Has this plant been getting a strict veg light cycle or not really? Perhaps a bit indoors and a bit outdoors? 

I agree with @Mambawana on a pH issue, especially if you have been following feeding schedule provided by the nute manufacturer. 

[Smelly Joe]

She veged outdoors for about 4 weeks maybe 5, and then repotted. I veged her for a week and then she went into the flower tent. 

The lights cycle is 8 on 16 off.... Gas lantern

[1000Hills Nursery]

4 hours ago, Smelly Joe said:

Wow your good man. LoL

 

It's a coco /perlite mix and it was pointed out to me about the pH and ec. That's the stuff that have never worried about before. This mineral feeding isn't as straight forward as organic nutes. The coco was buffered but the pH might be the culprit. 

 

I could easily flush and go over to the bio bloom like the other 2 but what the point of taking on a new challenge and giving up??? I am gonna get these 2 plants sorted out again soon. 

Thanx for your input 

Not sure about your statement about someone being good and laughing but for now I'll assume it isn't sarcasm. I'm no pro and I'm new to this forum so I don't know who needs advice and who doesn't. If you don't want my input I'll gladly refrain. Okay moving on...

Don't stress about synthetics. It's much easier than organics. It's a lot quicker to fix issues and ofcourse a lot quicker to create issues. The most important part of synthetics is mixing your nutes in the correct order or else you going to have certain elements falling out of solution which leads to interrupting the buffering and ph issues.

Unfortunately you not going to get rid of them fungus gnats with that 50/50 mix. Once those plants are established you going to have to feed them at a  minimum once a day which isn't going to give you enough top soil dry out time to stop the gnats hence why I moved to using coco with no perlite. And then you have plastic pots with holes on the bottom which gnats love. You want to get rid of gnats... at next transplant either line the bottom inside of the pot with weed guard fabric or use a fabric pot and put a layer of silica pool filter sand on top. No more gnats

[1000Hills Nursery]

No more gnats...

[Smelly Joe]

2 hours ago, Mambawana said:

Not sure about your statement about someone being good and laughing but for now I'll assume it isn't sarcasm. I'm no pro and I'm new to this forum so I don't know who needs advice and who doesn't. If you don't want my input I'll gladly refrain. Okay moving on...

 

Mmmm not sure why I replied like that but I guess emotions can't be seen through text. I meant it in a good way meaning you were spot on with the medium of choice and the issue I have at hand. Advice from anyone is always greatly appreciated no matter who. 

Sorry if I came across rude. 

Edited November 23, 2019 by Smelly Joe

[1000Hills Nursery]

6 minutes ago, Smelly Joe said:

Mmmm not sure why I replied like that but I guess emotions can't be seen through text. I meant it in a good way meaning you were spot on with the medium of choice and the issue I have at hand. Advice from anyone is always greatly appreciated no matter who. 

Sorry if I came across rude. 

Puff puff pass...

It's cool brother. We are all only as good as the mistakes we've learnt from. And if you see someone go through something you have already its hard not to say anything.

I apologise if I was harsh, I saw that message just after I found a hermie in my garden day 26 flower and those pollen sacks looked a few days from causing kak so you can imagine...

[Smelly Joe]

I can understand man. Nothing like a hermie to fuck up your energy spent careing for it. And the lost bud.... Sho glad you found it when you did 

[1000Hills Nursery]

6 hours ago, Smelly Joe said:

I can understand man. Nothing like a hermie to fuck up your energy spent careing for it. And the lost bud.... Sho glad you found it when you did 

Shot dude. I ended up finding another 1. So now I have 2 gaps in my canopy. Both these plants were breed by phenofinder genetics. Both had beautiful bud set but we're through and through hermaphrodites. Did a major defoliation  At day 20, 6 days later then usual due to commitments. Guess that's what it took for these plants to show their true nature.

But it's water under the bridge, those 2 and their respective clones have all been culled. 

[Smelly Joe]

One of the reasons I do defoliation and light stress training. If they can't handle that then sorry it's time to move on. 

[1000Hills Nursery]

3 hours ago, Smelly Joe said:

One of the reasons I do defoliation and light stress training. If they can't handle that then sorry it's time to move on. 

What's light stress training? Interrupting their light cycles like what breeders do or having the lights too close? 

[Smelly Joe]

Sorry dude. I meant light training in terms of LST....

[Ill_Evan]

Stressing your plant with your lights sounds outrageous  

@Mambawana tell us what you know about breeders doing it? Is it to produce a hermie and get seeds from the same plant or such?

[1000Hills Nursery]

1 hour ago, Ill_Evan said:

Stressing your plant with your lights sounds outrageous  

@Mambawana tell us what you know about breeders doing it? Is it to produce a hermie and get seeds from the same plant or such?

I haven't done any breeding as yet so I can't say that I've personally done that. It's definitely not for seeds. I watched Kevin Jodrey series of interviews called 'meet the breeders'. (Check it out, it's awesome, you will know what I know about what the breeders have to say). Mean Gene mentioned that they would purposely mess with light cycles to fish out plants that are most susceptible to herming amongst many other stress tactics for pm etc when trying to stabilize a line. Sounds outrageous to you... but we talking about some of the pioneers of cannabis breeding here. And then it was also mentioned that the word stabilizing nowadays has 2 meanings. 1 being it's been stabilized to not herm and the other being the original use of the word where they stabilizing a strain to all grow the same and not have a lot of diversity.

[Smelly Joe]

Heard about light stressing like you mentioned. But I don't have time for that.... I'll just grow it out and flower as usual 

[1000Hills Nursery]

1 hour ago, Smelly Joe said:

Heard about light stressing like you mentioned. But I don't have time for that.... I'll just grow it out and flower as usual 

Yeah me too. And all this cos I misread the LST... 

[1000Hills Nursery]

@Smelly Joe how's the gal's doing?

[Smelly Joe]

@Mambawana, the ladies are doing better. I adjusted the pH to 5.5 but not sure about the ec yet. I'm waiting on a meter and should be here sometime next week. I am waiting for the lights to turn on so that I can give them all their feeding. The Organic ladies are in for a a nice feeding session tonight.

But all about that a bit later 

[Smelly Joe]

So today was one of those strange days. I felt a bit irritated and decided to take the pipe, grinder and some bud and drive up to the mountain. It quite close to where I live and it's relaxing. 

So while driving and finding spots to place the cooked rice to make some BIM a bit later on the year I found these 2 decaying pine trees.... 

I scratched a bit and when I checked I had a handful of decomposed pine tree. So I decided to take it home and add it to the brew thats currently going. 

Before I went home I stopped to pick up some bananas. Read that if you make a tea from it it'll help with the budding phase adding extra Potassium. Whether it helps or not, I'm not sure but fuck it... I added it and gave it to the ladies. 

 

The Mineral ladies got......this.....

And now for the ladies and how they look... 

1 Shiskaberry :

2 Chocolope 

And the 2 Mineral ladies...

I ph'd the water to 5. 5 this round and let see what happens. Very excited about the new meter coming next week. 

3. Bruce Banner x Bruce Banner 

4. Bruce Banner x Girl Scout Cookies 

[Smelly Joe]

Went up to the mountain and stopped by that spot I was at last week and got myself some decomposing pine and surrounding soil. I got a few roots from some plant and added that too. 

Got home and bubbled out water and while that was happening I added some of the pine tree to a bucket with some of the surrounding soil and roots. I also added roots from a male plant that was fed Guano and Seagro. To that dry mix I added 50ml Bio-Bloom, 2 Tbsp Molasses, Rock Phosphate, Mycoroot and Epsom Salt. 

I added the bubbled out water to mix and stirred it up a bit to mix everything together and then added the airstones. I'll let that all bubble until tonight when I give the ladies the tea.... 

Until later.., 

[PsyCLown]

Nice, not a very long brewing time though?
Why not leave it for 24 - 36 hours?
Just curious :)

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[Smelly Joe]

Not sure why actually.... Just always did it like that. Maybe I'll let it brew then till tomorrow then and just feed the mineral ladies tonight...