Prom Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 (edited) I reached 976g on 1m2 indoor grow area... and lost my bet But I am rather sure I will reach the 1kg dry on 1m2 area.. lets try again Also might want to add... zero training techs used.. I topped one, which was on her own mission and 2 stayed rather short but rest formed a rather nice and even canape them self. I only removed leaves the plants were giving up and didn't disturb them in any way possible. Edited May 20, 2020 by Prom Little add on 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreX Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 How many plants? How long were they vegged for? What light are you using again? Meduim used? Nutes used? I don't want to sound cynical... But 1kg from untrained plants in a 1x1 space is just highly improbable Gotta see some pics And I also don't want to put you down either... But if you truly did get just under a kilo in a 1x1... Then you need to teach us this method 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prom Posted May 20, 2020 Author Share Posted May 20, 2020 (edited) I put the thingy in the grow reports check there Edited May 20, 2020 by Prom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreX Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 The report doesn't have your method lol. How big is your tent? What light did you use? How do you fit 12 plants in a 1m2 area... I can't do that with half my tent @1.44m2 (1.2mx1.2m) there's just not enough space Please don't take my questions as disbelief... I mean.... It is disbelief.... But I'm keen to learn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prom Posted May 20, 2020 Author Share Posted May 20, 2020 (edited) The method is.. don't disturb the plant. I topped on because she was just on her own mission. Had 2 rather shorter ones, the rest formed a even canape. If you want to give a name to my method.. bud on bud. I don't use a net, as then I can't move them anymore to easy feed. My pots stand pot on pot, 28cm pots (swapped to square now so I get em better stacked when young). the heavy leaning ones I just put against the tent wall. I was busy with the outdoor harvest, so I couldn't give those lots of attention and it proved again.. what ever we test, defoiling, topping,.. a unstressed auto yields 20% more. I put things below the small pots to raise them to even the canape. Is really all I do in that direction. My feeding tables are adapted to 8, 10 and 12 weeks. The seeds drop into fertilized water.. and never give pure water till flush. Lights, Mars TS 3000 20/4 Have 3 air circuits handling temp and moisture (room and tent). Freedom Farms and my own compost from the garden heap pots were standing 3x4, used 1 TS on those Edited May 20, 2020 by Prom last line added 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master_G Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Wow... I need to learn here. You grew. 976grams of dry bud in 1 square meter under 450w of led light? That is better than anything I have ever seen in my life! Well done mate. After this I give up. No point in growing no more. After years of growing I'm a noob 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreX Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Ah... Your trick is autos and an extended light cycle. Still unsure how you calculate area? How big is your tent and how much space are you using in the tent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreX Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 15 minutes ago, Master_G said: Wow... I need to learn here. You grew. 976grams of dry bud in 1 square meter under 450w of led light? That is better than anything I have ever seen in my life! Well done mate. After this I give up. No point in growing no more. After years of growing I'm a noob LOL don't put yourself down so much... You grow decent bud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prom Posted May 20, 2020 Author Share Posted May 20, 2020 (edited) I used a 90x120cm area inside the tent.. would have loved to have a wall more hehehe but that was just what I had, so also no side reflection of the open side. I only do autos.. I have a 2.4x2.4 tent.. but don't run all, I have 3 TS max running in there. After this harvest.. I shut it down for a bit enough to trade with friends. Not even used a CO2 generator.. I think I can go way over 1kg below one TS No secrets.. fertilizer. Friend in Europe just started, after I told him how awesome the Gelato is, he got pissed off to only get the same old stains in Switzerland all the time. He send me a message a few days ago asking which one: one grow shop tells him this is the best, the other say this one.. the selection of all grow shops he has been and he checked a few.. Plagron or BioBizz... right now you only get BioBizz in SA... so go with that. really really works.. So no.. I am no miracle grower.. advanced hobby grower would be the best title.. no pro for sure Edited May 20, 2020 by Prom Fertilizer addon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreX Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 (edited) I'm checking out your light. The interwebs says the Mars TS 3000 is a 3kw light. Is this correct? Edit - I read further and it says it's a 450w like you said... Im just still not able to fathom the quantity... You have really put me in a spin mate.... Iv been trying to find other examples of peeps internationally that make this claim... And I can't find anything yo. The best I can find is if you are getting over 1g per watt, you're doing great... You have over 2g per watt lol.. In soil no less... With a damn open tent lol... I think the your trick is autos and extended light cycle... Well done mate. I doubt I'll go that route though... I hate that I'll only have that exact plant once... And will need to keep buying seeds. Edited May 20, 2020 by CreX 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prom Posted May 20, 2020 Author Share Posted May 20, 2020 https://www.mars-hydro.com/mars-tsw-3000-led-full-spectrum-hydroponic-led-grow-light Those are the lights I use 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prom Posted May 20, 2020 Author Share Posted May 20, 2020 Last time I went to the tent shop to stock up on BioBizz, the owner also told me that I converted him to autos. I think you know fems head to toe.. give those silly autos a try.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zairek Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 (edited) Wow, means that your light is roughly equivalent to 1000W Hid at 1g/Watt Well done mate. Edited May 20, 2020 by zairek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zairek Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Prom said: Last time I went to the tent shop to stock up on BioBizz, the owner also told me that I converted him to autos. I think you know fems head to toe.. give those silly autos a try.. Any recommendations from Cannabist's offering? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master_G Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 4 hours ago, zairek said: Wow, means that your light is roughly equivalent to 1000W Hid at 1g/Watt Well done mate. That is the strangest equation I have ever heard. I am learning so much today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zairek Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Master_G said: That is the strangest equation I have ever heard. I am learning so much today From Prom's light link "TS 3000 QB Design Led Plant Grow Light for 4'x4', Sunlike Spectrum with IR, Replace 800~1000w HPS - Mars Hydro" The reasonable yield standard has always been around 1g/W for Hid. Mars claim of equivalence to 1000W seems credible and if so, so does Prom's ~1kg yield. I've got a 250W Hid grow on the go, I'd be really happy with 250g, ecstatic with 300g. Edited May 21, 2020 by zairek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prom Posted May 21, 2020 Author Share Posted May 21, 2020 (edited) Mhhh gram per watt... this might then bug you folks even more ^^ I run a batch of Gorillas under the 144 Mars. Friend had the light over till his quantum board arrived and had it on a smart plug. Pulls in Veg 129 Watts and in Flower 177 Watts. I have 9 Pots in there but one is a dud.. so 8 plants. And expect at least 400g from those 8 Autos. What would be way over 2g/watt. Time for HID is long time over, Hombres.. do the LED switch.. costs less, yields way more. We long term growers all started with HID.. but like in evolution, the ones not adapting, will disappear Have the 144 running on 24/0.. draws so little, wanna see how the autos yield, when I give em zero darkness (1.2x0.6m tent), still week one I stop preaching about Autos.. is all your own decision Edited May 21, 2020 by Prom Last sentense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prom Posted May 21, 2020 Author Share Posted May 21, 2020 14 hours ago, zairek said: Any recommendations from Cannabist's offering? Those Bruce Banners from Monster Genetics are heavy Yielders.. Friend had one outdoor and that made me get those 12 seeds. Taste was also very pleasant during smoke, more earthy, peppery and packed a punch for a outdoor. Any auto from 42fastbuds.. my preferred breeders right now, Mephisto Genetics close second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master_G Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 3 hours ago, zairek said: From Prom's light link "TS 3000 QB Design Led Plant Grow Light for 4'x4', Sunlike Spectrum with IR, Replace 800~1000w HPS - Mars Hydro" The reasonable yield standard has always been around 1g/W for Hid. Mars claim of equivalence to 1000W seems credible and if so, so does Prom's ~1kg yield. I've got a 250W Hid grow on the go, I'd be really happy with 250g, ecstatic with 300g. Ok. I dont buy into the marketing crap. To me 200w is 200w. I dont care what you attach to the end of your cord. That's your business. This equivalent shit makes the HID crowd pissed off anyway. I grow bud. Get a messily 1.3g per wat under led. Obviously I'm just a noob cause others get over 2 grams per watt. But that's that. If I got another light and it gave me less for the same usage. I would just go back to the one giving more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prom Posted May 21, 2020 Author Share Posted May 21, 2020 (edited) To me the biggest advantage of LED is that it reduces the shadow profile a lot. Light is not just more efficient generated, but also more even distributed. Next is the heat.. the more you compare, the more points you will find that a 40 year old technology isn't up to date anymore. You not just waste more energy into running the lamp, but also put more into cooling the heat down again. Light efficiency is how much heat you produce as a side product. Less heat.. more light gets generated with the same energy input. We reach cold light.. only fertilizer will make the difference I also have to add that I do not think that I would have got the result with a Dutch Auto seed. We did now way over 100 autos as a group of growers and the picture is very clear. The US boys are miles ahead with their auto genes, Dutchies have something to catch up right now. I did around 30-40 Dutch Autos.. and the worst result of all I had with Dutch Passion.. small little suckers. I had 9, friend 4.. he lost patience with three and just pulled them.. waste of time for the grow speed they had. I have 3 Angels and 6 Blackberry.. beautiful plants to look at.. yield wise I will be happy if I get 50g a plant.. with the CBD I will make jumps if I reach that rather sad result. I do not think I am a better grower compared to you @Master_G .. Those Brucies are very heavy yielders, I ordered the seeds for that reason. And just to mention.. if you reach 1.3g per watt on Fems.. you do something I never reached.. never.. ever Edited May 21, 2020 by Prom typo 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenkush Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Prom said: Mhhh gram per watt... this might then bug you folks even more ^^ I run a batch of Gorillas under the 144 Mars. Friend had the light over till his quantum board arrived and had it on a smart plug. Pulls in Veg 129 Watts and in Flower 177 Watts. I have 9 Pots in there but one is a dud.. so 8 plants. And expect at least 400g from those 8 Autos. What would be way over 2g/watt. Time for HID is long time over, Hombres.. do the LED switch.. costs less, yields way more. We long term growers all started with HID.. but like in evolution, the ones not adapting, will disappear Have the 144 running on 24/0.. draws so little, wanna see how the autos yield, when I give em zero darkness (1.2x0.6m tent), still week one I stop preaching about Autos.. is all your own decision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsyCLown Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 @Prom so your pots are 28cm tall? How many liters are they? How long from seed to harvest did it take? 11 weeks? Pay more for electricity with the 20/4 light cycle, compared to say 4 weeks on 18/6 then the rest on 12/12 but potentially get better yields. Your plants are really packed super close to one another, Sea of Green method. I am curious to give this a try, however will cost me a bit in seeds and then I have a lot of bud from a single plant, not sure how high the THC would be either... Curious how something like this would turn out with photoperiods... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prom Posted May 22, 2020 Author Share Posted May 22, 2020 (edited) 28cm wide.. those were round.. I went square in the meantime, can pack them closer together. Square pots are 23cmx23cmx27cm. I get 25 now under one TS with those pots. 11 weeks and 1 day.. they took a bit longer as expected. Says 10 weeks, took them 30% amber. I get the containers.. lockdown is slowing things down.. Gelato and the Brucie will get tested. I already handed in the request at Qure.. just have to get some nice containers to pack the weed to send out. Quick add.. If you don't want to much from the same plant, take from the same breeder 2-3 different strains with same duration.. and you have a nice mix. doesn't has to be all the same. I have usually 2-3 strains in one tent. And the seeds are a issue, I very much agree.. you just order a bit more bulk Edited May 22, 2020 by Prom add on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Green Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 1 kg in a square meter? I'll believe it when i see it or maybe i just really suck at growing i get about 550g im a 1.2m with 555w of light 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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