Indoor perpetual grow veg lights

[The Grass Baas]

Hello all.

So I have decided to start an indoor grow. Here's a list of items that I've obtained:

• 1x veg/clone/mother tent (1.2mx0.6mx1.8m)
• 1x flowering tent (1.2mx1.2mx2m)
• 6" and 8" extractor fans
• 6" and 8" carbon filters
• 480 watt led grow bars (3500k) (flowering light)
• Pots, PH meter, Propogation chamber etc etc 

I know I've left out alot of the finer details but this thread is rather in finding perfect vegging lights.

Assuming I have a strain that flowers for 8 weeks, i would like to vegetate for 8 weeks if possible (or less). The lights I'm looking to get to veg from clone are Eurolux LED Grow tubes 9w (2ft). I want to spread out about 14 of them staggered in the 1.2mx0.6m tent. Thats 14x9 watts for roughly 4-8 plants (126 watts). The lights will be able to be lowered etc. Would the weak vegetating light and then extremely strong flowering light make a huge impact on the plants? Maybe when putting them in flowering I will gradually increase the wattage over a week to 480watts? Anyone have experience using those tubes?

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[1000Hills Nursery]

@Saurus

I run perpetual... I move from 400W MH to 1000W HPS. 

When I move the gals to the flower room I don't flip them straight away. I veg them for a week first, acclimate them to the higher intensity and then flip. Definitely worth losing a week in the long run. 

[CreX]

8 hours ago, Saurus said:

Hello all.

So I have decided to start an indoor grow. Here's a list of items that I've obtained:

• 1x veg/clone/mother tent (1.2mx0.6mx1.8m)
• 1x flowering tent (1.2mx1.2mx2m)
• 6" and 8" extractor fans
• 6" and 8" carbon filters
• 480 watt led grow bars (3500k) (flowering light)
• Pots, PH meter, Propogation chamber etc etc 

I know I've left out alot of the finer details but this thread is rather in finding perfect vegging lights.

Assuming I have a strain that flowers for 8 weeks, i would like to vegetate for 8 weeks if possible (or less). The lights I'm looking to get to veg from clone are Eurolux LED Grow tubes 9w (2ft). I want to spread out about 14 of them staggered in the 1.2mx0.6m tent. Thats 14x9 watts for roughly 4-8 plants (126 watts). The lights will be able to be lowered etc. Would the weak vegetating light and then extremely strong flowering light make a huge impact on the plants? Maybe when putting them in flowering I will gradually increase the wattage over a week to 480watts? Anyone have experience using those tubes?

What is the price on one of those tubes? And you need a whole fixture built for it and the led power supply... It sounds quite intricate! 

I have just recently bought LED flood lights from ACDC electrical for my veg area. 

I have a larger 2.4x2.4 veg area and I only need 2 of the FL-150-CW lights they offer. 

@under R400 for the light and it's vegetative growing capacity, I feel it's a solid buy for a veg area light. 

1 would sort you out good and proper, and all you need to do is plug it in. 

Or 2 for legendary coverage at still a pretty sweet point of under 800

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[The Grass Baas]

@CreX Thanks so much man. So let me give you the full idea. 

I want to take that 1.2mx0.6mx1.8m and basically split it in half horizontally by putting a counter/table in it. So essentially it's divided into two equal parts of 1.2mx0.6mx0.9m. The top will be "breathable" in sense to allow air to flow through.

The top part I want to put in two lights that could keep two mother plants in veg while having a propagation chamber next to it too. At the bottom I'll have the space to veg under those tubes.

The tubes aren't too expensive, I have a family member which works in the industrial lighting industry and get me them for quite cheap. The housing is also easy to get hold of. I get your point about it being really intricate. I was abit worried that those flood lights wouldn't be enough but I'll definitely check if we have some in stock. Just a question, does the 150 in the name represent the wattage? Also the colour spectrum, 6400k?

 

@1000Hills Nursery dude Thanks for the note. I'd definitely note the tip of not flipping them for a week to get used to the light. That was my thinking. Thanks for the confirmation 

[1000Hills Nursery]

@Saurus

I agree that the 2ft lamps are not a good option. 

Also you want to split your tent into 2 halves for extra veg space. Sounds good on paper but your plants in each half are going to very quickly outgrow their space. You will need to take clones and clones of clones very often to maintain a manageable size to keep up with the perpetual especially because you have a small tent to flower in.  Are you growing from seed or do you have strains at your disposal?

 

[CreX]

@Saurus I agree with @1000Hills Nursery you will run out of space Pronto Pronto.

And yes... The 150 in the name is the wattage... From the wall it's exactly 150 aswell so that's nice, and this model is in 5500k spectrum 

[Roasty]

56 minutes ago, CreX said:

@Saurus I agree with @1000Hills Nursery you will run out of space Pronto Pronto.

And yes... The 150 in the name is the wattage... From the wall it's exactly 150 aswell so that's nice, and this model is in 5500k spectrum 

I crex, could I possibly please have a link to this light, I think I also saw some light from acdc less wattage  in 3000 +k , would that also work as a veg/supplemental light?

[Batista]

Im also interested in this light as a supplement, could it be this one? https://www.acdc.co.za/products/220-240-150w-cool-white-led-alum-flood-light-ip65?variant=20859630485581

[CreX]

1 hour ago, Roasty said:

I crex, could I possibly please have a link to this light, I think I also saw some light from acdc less wattage  in 3000 +k , would that also work as a veg/supplemental light?

They do have some leds in 3000k, but only 50w versions - so not really worth it imo. 

 

1 hour ago, Batista said:

Im also interested in this light as a supplement, could it be this one? https://www.acdc.co.za/products/220-240-150w-cool-white-led-alum-flood-light-ip65?variant=20859630485581

This is indeed the right light... I have one in my flower tent currently as I need more lighting there and it's all I had to spare...  It puts out decent amounts of light, but I would keep it for veg use only and use a more sophisticated light for bloom. 

Contact an express dealer and I think they are on special for R375

[The Grass Baas]

Thanks for the reply guys. This is helping me alot figure out how I'm going to run it. So the idea is to eventually have two 1.2mx1.2m tents which will be purely for flowering 1 strain at a time (4-8 plants on 12/12) with a 480w led quantum bars.

 @1000Hills Nursery thanks for the response man. So the tent would be split in half just so that the top half could keep max 2 mothers going and a propagation chamber next to them, and underneath is purely veg. So mother gets clones cut and put in propagation for about 2 weeks. Then moved down to veg chamber for about 6 weeks while being trained/cropped etc  not to get too big. Then moved into the flowering tent under the 480w. If I need to use a scrog or just do some good training/super cropping etc. I will know when I use the strain I guess. 

The plants will also be vegging in 5L pots before put into 20L for preflowering and flowering in the bigger tent. 

@CreX The lights I was thinking of using are2x or 3x 50w flood lights in a space of 1.2mx0.6x0.9m. I'll attach fotos. +-R150 each

 

Thanks again oaks

[Batista]

33 minutes ago, CreX said:

They do have some leds in 3000k, but only 50w versions - so not really worth it imo. 

 

This is indeed the right light... I have one in my flower tent currently as I need more lighting there and it's all I had to spare...  It puts out decent amounts of light, but I would keep it for veg use only and use a more sophisticated light for bloom. 

Contact an express dealer and I think they are on special for R375

Awesome thanks, I have a 150w HPS over my Ethos  Forbidden Skittles in  scrog.Want to try this for extra lumens.My 400W ballast is not working anymore

[CreX]

I rate those Lil 50w will work great in your tent 

Im really a big fan of these cheaper lights for veg - they do the job really well, and iv used flourecent tubes and flourecent bulbs and incandescent lighting and HPS and MH and LED bulbs and spot lights.... They work to an extent... But we're mostly all more expensive than this acdc light overall 

And still this FL-150-CW is way better than the others for veg, except MH... MH rocks veg! But at 550w from the wall for a 400w fitting, VS 150w from the wall acdc... It's a hands down open book test brotha

[Batista]

Yeah im kinda glad it died to be honest, I saw there is a member on here with a killer R5k deal for a 240w qb .

[The Grass Baas]

@CreX MH and HPS would be great but I have several reasons as to why I can't/don't want to use them. I will give three of those 50w LED floods a try in my veg tent. Thanks for the help man. Appreciate it.

[1000Hills Nursery]

@Saurus

I like the idea of a little prolongation area in the top section of the tent for clone domes as indirect light and warmth works best for successful rooting. 

 

This tent I have is purely for genetic preservation and renewals of moms. These plants get renewed every 3-4 weeks. 

 

When I ran tents only I took cuttings of my veg plants before flip. I then grew those clones in the veg tent. 2 weeks before the flower tent was ready for harvest I took new cuttings from the veg tent. Kept the cuttings in the dome elsewhere in my house where there was ambient light at night. I then flipped the veg plants in the veg tent to get a head start and moved them to continue doing their thing in the flower tent when the tent became available. That would make the veg tent available again for the freshly rooted cuttings. So in other words I didn't keep mom's as it wasn't necessary for a small setup. 

 

Either way bro there is no right or wrong really. Do your thing the way you comfortable. Just remember growing is very different from reading thru 100s of grow diaries and articles etc. All the luck

Edited June 10, 2020 by 1000Hills Nursery

[The Grass Baas]

@1000Hills Nursery this is great info man. Really really great. To be honest this has been a thought of mine but for some reason I had in my mind that if you made a clone of a clone continually you eventually get bad genetics. If that's not the case, I will most definitely try just taking clones from the vegged clones before they go into flowering. I also like that you flip them before even moving them to the other tent. Nice tip. I also forgot to mention that I do have a couple of buddies that can help with legit clones every now and then. Maybe this will help with some diversity. 

 

Thanks again man. Pics looks great. Very jealous. Appreciate the effort. Will definitely do a grow log when I get started.

[afternoon blazer]

@Saurus howzit brother. Just catching up on your thread.

Wanted to know how those 50w LED veg lights are working out for you?

[The Grass Baas]

1 hour ago, afternoon blazer said:

@Saurus howzit brother. Just catching up on your thread.
Wanted to know how those 50w LED veg lights are working out for you?

Watsup man. I've gotten 4 of them in a veg/propogation/mother tent. So far just user them for propagating but will soon be vegging ing the pots.

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Edited July 26, 2020 by Saurus
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[afternoon blazer]

10 hours ago, Saurus said:

Watsup man. I've gotten 4 of them in a veg/propogation/mother tent. So far just user them for propagating but will soon be vegging ing the pots.

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Looks good brother. Let me know how it goes. As i also have a light from acdc that i am vegging with.

[awildmeme]

https://www.acdc.co.za/pages/product-individual?FL-150W-CW

See these are on sale now , thinking of grabbing me 3 and seeing how they perform in a 1 x 1 m tent 

[The Grass Baas]

https://www.acdc.co.za/pages/product-individual?FL-150W-CW
See these are on sale now , thinking of grabbing me 3 and seeing how they perform in a 1 x 1 m tent 

Watsup man. Great idea. Except I think 450w of that light in a 1x1m tent is alot of light. For vegging I think you'd only need 1 to be honest. I have 3 50w that I use in my 1.2x0.6m tent.

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[awildmeme]

1 hour ago, Saurus said:

Watsup man. Great idea. Except I think 450w of that light in a 1x1m tent is alot of light. For vegging I think you'd only need 1 to be honest. I have 3 50w that I use in my 1.2x0.6m tent.

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Ow gawd I see I posted the wrong link.

https://www.acdc.co.za/pages/product-individual?FL-50W-CW

Overall I was looking at 150w. 

All these are on special at the moment.

[Naughty.Psychonaut]

Yes boooiii, 3 x that 150w in a 1mx1m space will toast your ladies. 

I am running a 50w in a 80cm x 80cm space and plants are happy! Again this is 50w, got 4 plants under the thing. 

2 of them and you'll be flying, bro. No doubt.

[ORGANinc.]

@awildmeme I also got one. Dont even think about it. Spend your money bro. Can’t wait to set it up!

[Naughty.Psychonaut]

26 minutes ago, awildmeme said:

Ow gawd I see I posted the wrong link.

https://www.acdc.co.za/pages/product-individual?FL-50W-CW

Overall I was looking at 150w. 

All these are on special at the moment.

Yes, 3 of those 50w's seem more appropriate, but then why not just go for the 150w for R390?3 x the 50w will set you back R570. +/- R180 difference.