Ministry of Cannabis - Blueberry Domina (Indoor and Outdoor).

[Grower]

So this is my second attempt at a grow. The first ended in disaster after about 2 days when a worm crawled up out of the soil and ate both cotyledons in one day. I waited a little bit longer before posting this because it took me longer to write the forum post last time than I manged to keep the plant alive.

I am growing 2 seeds. The intention is to put one indoor under lights and one outdoors and compare the results (I am going to add both to this grow report).I have planted both in their final 20l fabric pots and have used a mix of compost, coco-peat, garden soil and worm castings as the growing medium. I cut a toilet roll if half and put it over the seedlings to hopefully keep worms out. I am using water from the koi pond to water the plants (is this a good idea)?

I dropped the seeds in a glass of water till they sank (took around 18 hours) and planted them immediately afterwards) The seeds sprouted 2 to 3 days ago (2 days after being planted) and I can now see the first true leaves forming. The one plant broke soil really easily and I didn't have enough light on it for the first 24 hours. It stretched quite a bit during this time (photo attached). The second one had a bit of trouble breaking the soil so it stayed a bit more compact and had sufficient light since being exposed to air. Is the stretching of the first seedling something I should be concerned about? Is it going to have long term effects during the grow? Should it affect my decision of which plant to put inside and which one to grow outside? It is about 10cm high at the moment while the other one is less than 2cm.

[CreX]

great job on not giving up man!!

i would put the smaller one outside as the sun would get it to catch up real fast

 

what indoor light do you have?

 

[Bakstein420]

I see you found the right spot for your grow diary bud. That soil looks super dry in the pics, or maybe its just my phone.

Anyway the stretch shouldn't impact at all. If anything it may need some support while the roots get established if grown in a windy enviroment. 

I'm not sure about the koi pond water, hopefully someone more educated will comment on that. Do you atleast know the ph of the water?

[CreX]

i would avoid Aquaponics vibes ... in theory its a good idea... i mean we use fish mix right?? 

True we do during Veg, but the problem with fish water is the inconsistency of the water, and the NKP value is out of whack for most potted plants.

if they were in a large garden bed then koi water is great!

the Ph should be i think above 7.5 for koi? so tap water ph pretty much.

i would use tap water for the first few weeks and see if any of your lower leaves go yellow or exhibit any issues, and then apply a bottled nutrient... seagro works well and its found everywhere, and its pretty cheap.

[Grower]

7 hours ago, CreX said:

great job on not giving up man!!

i would put the smaller one outside as the sun would get it to catch up real fast

 

what indoor light do you have?

 

Im using a bestva 600 led

[Grower]

7 hours ago, Bakstein420 said:

I see you found the right spot for your grow diary bud. That soil looks super dry in the pics, or maybe its just my phone.

Anyway the stretch shouldn't impact at all. If anything it may need some support while the roots get established if grown in a windy enviroment. 

I'm not sure about the koi pond water, hopefully someone more educated will comment on that. Do you atleast know the ph of the water?

Ye, thanks. The top soil is super dry but like 1cm below it still has some moisture. When should I be watering again? I figured I'd water about a cup each plant in the morning. I haven't tested the ph of the koi pond water. I got a test kit today so will check it tomorrow. I would assume it would have to be pretty neutral for fish to survive (maybe I'm very wrong here)?

[Grower]

5 hours ago, CreX said:

i would avoid Aquaponics vibes ... in theory its a good idea... i mean we use fish mix right?? 

True we do during Veg, but the problem with fish water is the inconsistency of the water, and the NKP value is out of whack for most potted plants.

if they were in a large garden bed then koi water is great!

the Ph should be i think above 7.5 for koi? so tap water ph pretty much.

i would use tap water for the first few weeks and see if any of your lower leaves go yellow or exhibit any issues, and then apply a bottled nutrient... seagro works well and its found everywhere, and its pretty cheap.

I got some bottled nutrients from a friend that stopped growing, not too sure of the brand but I have some for veg and bloom, I'd like to get through the grow with just organic fertilizer if possible, I do have access to some compost and worm castings as well, but i figured if I start noticing anything out of the ordinary with the plants I would just ask here for advice. I'm not against using the bottled nutes if I need to.

[Grower]

8 hours ago, CreX said:

great job on not giving up man!!

i would put the smaller one outside as the sun would get it to catch up real fast

 

what indoor light do you have?

 

I think it's actually the larger one that had light deficiency. The leaves are about the same size (slightly larger on the smaller plant) but the one plant has a 10cm long stem (it shot up in the dark during the first day). I've had the bestva 600 (why they call it 600 is beyond me, they claim its equivalent to 400 Watt hps but it only draws 132 Watt) on them since and the vertical growth has all but stopped for the last 2 days.

[Grower]

So far so good, at least to my untrained eye. I have watered them twice now. One cup of water per plant every 2 days (about the amount of time it take for the top 3cm of soil to dry out). They seem to be growing pretty fast. I'm guesing they double the amount of foilage every day so far.

 

 

 

 

Edited November 13, 2020 by Grower

[Grower]

Is it possible to edit a thread title? I forgot to mention that these are autos.

 

[Grower]

I noticed some things this morning that are a bit concerning, first there appears to be some damage to one of the leaves (circled in red), any idea what may have caused this? Also there seems to be some slight discoloration forming on the tips of the serrated edges of the leaves. It's miniscule at this point, but I'm wondering if it's an early sign of some issues with the grow? 

[Grower]

Tomorrow is 2 weeks since sprouting.

They are still alive which is good. 

They do look a little scruffy though and there is a slight bit of yellowing on one of the leaves.

[Grower]

17 days from germination. I have what I think is an American Leaf Miner problem (a friend said so). It seems to have stopped spreading though and the new leaves look great. I still have some upturned edges on a few of the leaves. What you guys think, am I on the right track here, anything to be majorly concerned about?

[Grower]

I am going to be making a shade net covering for the outside plant today and then I think I am finally going to separate them and keep one outside. Both plants have been under a Bestva 600 led until this stage.

I am watering about 500ml per plant  every 2 to 3 days, it seems like very little, but I do not think they are under watered, there was A LOT of moisture in the pot when they were planted (I now realise I should have dried out my medium more, but I was a bit excited). I wait for the topsoil to dry out (about 3cm)and then I water a bit again.I assume what is happening here is that the roots are growing down instead of side ways and are managing to find moisture in the medium?

I have access to worm castings, could I mix some of that in with the water instead of using nutes?

[Grower]

https://grohydro.co.za/product/vents-tt100-100mm-4inch-inline-fan/

 

I can source this inline fan for R900 (including clamps and some ducting). Anyone have experience with this?

[Grower]

24 days now.

I still haven't solved the problem with thee upturned leaves. And there is still some damage from what I think were leafminers, but all in all the plants seem healthy and a growing pretty fast. I'm expecting that they will start flowering within the next two weeks.

I took one plant outside for the first time this morning, almost done with the shade net enclosure for it and will have it outside permanently soon.

Edited December 2, 2020 by Grower

[Grower]

I have one plant inside and one plant outside now, they are looking very healthy except for some yellowing/black spots on the bottom leaves. I believe It is a nutrient deficiency as we are going into week 4 and I have not been adding nutes. I am goin to add some diluted earth worm castings to the water now and see if it gets any better, if the problem gets worse ill add nutes.

[Fridge]

Hi, they look nice and healthy. Don't worry too much about the leaf miners or yellowing spots. Overall she's looking like she enjoys how you treat her. Could be that the lower leaves are yellowing as there’s not enough light getting to them as they get blocked by the other leaves now. The plant decides to get rid of these leaves as they can't fulfill their purpose anymore.

Many first time growers tend to 'over analize' and jump to conclusions (been there, done that). You can certainly start to give nutes but be careful as autoflowers are a bit sensitive. Go half strength of the recommended dose.

 

[Grower]

1 hour ago, Fridge said:

Hi, they look nice and healthy. Don't worry too much about the leaf miners or yellowing spots. Overall she's looking like she enjoys how you treat her. Could be that the lower leaves are yellowing as there’s not enough light getting to them as they get blocked by the other leaves now. The plant decides to get rid of these leaves as they can't fulfill their purpose anymore.

Many first time growers tend to 'over analize' and jump to conclusions (been there, done that). You can certainly start to give nutes but be careful as autoflowers are a bit sensitive. Go half strength of the recommended dose.

 

Thanks, ye I was thinking of starting at 1/4 strength nutes (was actually hoping to get through the grow organically). But I'm gonna give the earthworm castings a shot first.

[Fridge]

You should be ok without nutes. Especially veg, as it seems like they are about to go into flower. They are going to like some bloom ferts though. It would work without bloom ferts but you'll get more out of them with bloom fertilizer in my opinion. 

[Grower]

4 hours ago, Fridge said:

You should be ok without nutes. Especially veg, as it seems like they are about to go into flower. They are going to like some bloom ferts though. It would work without bloom ferts but you'll get more out of them with bloom fertilizer in my opinion. 

Thanks, I will consider it. Would you be starting now with bloom nutes?

 

[Fridge]

2 hours ago, Grower said:

Thanks, I will consider it. Would you be starting now with bloom nutes?

 

Ok, here's what I do but everyone has different ways I guess. As soon as I see flowers in an autoflower, I continue giving veg nutes for a week or so (that is if you give veg nutes). I do that as the plant will still stretch and the bigger the plant is before it goes into full flowering mode the better. 1-2 weeks after I see the first pistils I start adding bloom nutes only.

But there are some "auto only growers" here in the forum. Prom for example has plenty of experience and grows exclusively autos as far as I know. He uses the Biobizz line and has an own feeding chart. I'm just not sure where to find it... But if you'd want to go that route you would need to invest a bit in Biobizz ferts which are worth the money though.

[Grower]

Both plants are flowering.

I have started trying to scrog the indoor one, but I think I started too late. the main growth tip and top two branches are too high to be trained.

The outdoor plant has grown a lot taller than the indoor one.

Both plants seem healthy (other than some of the bottom leaves dying off).

I noticed something seems to have eaten one of the leaves on my plant. Could anyone help identify what it may be and if I need to do something about it. It doesn't seem major at this stage (only one leaf affected)

I have also planted a jack herrer auto and a bigger bug photo period that I intend to grow outdoor (I know I'm planting a bit late, but I don't want to wait for next year)

[Grower]

I'm wondering how much I'll yield off these plants.

https://www.ministryofcannabis.com/autoflowering-seeds/auto-blueberry-domina-feminized

This says up to 110g indoor and up to 220 outdoor. Is their any way for me to gauge whether I am at all on track to get anywhere close to these targets?

Anyone want to hazard a guess as to how much each plant yields?

[Grower]

Plants look pretty good to me. I had a bit of a calcium deficiency for a day or two, but I added some nutrifeed and they seem happy again now. Are these plant the correct shape? Looking at photos of other grows the plants often seem a lot more round and bushy.

The have started forming some buds. Hope I manage to pull of the final couple of weeks of the grow. I don't think I'm doing the scrogging right, but we will see.