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2 minutes ago, SkunkPharm said:

Are all the females shorter squat plants?

For veg they have been pretty consistent with a shorter expression, but remember that I have forced the tight nodal spacing with light. 

As they progress through stretch the different or similar heights will be clear. 

Males, even from a similar pheno group tend to exadurate their main cola to get that pollen as high up as possible 

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Day 14

All 6 are still around. They've been moved to a new space where they will finish up. Cleaned up a lot of the lower growth. 

It seems I have a purple pheno among them. 

Also added some predatory insects I was gifted by @GreenGrow Garden Route I don't have any mite issues but prevention is better than a cure I guess.

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Day 21

The view of the remaining 6 yesterday afternoon. 

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Had them out of the tent for a good inspection. 2 more have been cut. No13, the outlier from the start is just a weak plant, while no11, is showing its hermie nature quite oddly, pushing growths along a fan leaf stem, but nevertheless has been cut.

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Wherever there is abnormal growth in that nodal area its a clear indication of the hermi trait. Even though those arrowed growths are showing only pistilate and not a single ball sack yet. 

So that leaves me with No1, 2, 5, and 6. Their side views. All virtually the same height at 70cm. 

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No1

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No2

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No5

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No6

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And of course let's not forget the male. He is now reached his peak at 6 weeks of flower. I have been monitoring his development, deciding if I want his pollen. He produces copious amounts of pollen, pushing a fair amount of resin glands... Overall a lekker male. Something that many aren't doing. Don't grab the first pollen that your male gives. Grow him all the way out and check him out. 

As always I don't collect and use pollen, but always a live male, so he is joining the remaining 4 in the tent for only 2 days before going to reveg. That's more than enough time to ensure a full pollination. 

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Wish I had a better camera to better capture some of his features I like. 

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The view of the 4

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43 minutes ago, Totemic said:

Day 21

The view of the remaining 6 yesterday afternoon. 

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Had them out of the tent for a good inspection. 2 more have been cut. No13, the outlier from the start is just a weak plant, while no11, is showing its hermie nature quite oddly, pushing growths along a fan leaf stem, but nevertheless has been cut.

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Wherever there is abnormal growth in that nodal area its a clear indication of the hermi trait. Even though those arrowed growths are showing only pistilate and not a single ball sack yet. 

So that leaves me with No1, 2, 5, and 6. Their side views. All virtually the same height at 70cm. 

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No1

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No2

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No5

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No6

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And of course let's not forget the male. He is now reached his peak at 6 weeks of flower. I have been monitoring his development, deciding if I want his pollen. He produces copious amounts of pollen, pushing a fair amount of resin glands... Overall a lekker male. Something that many aren't doing. Don't grab the first pollen that your male gives. Grow him all the way out and check him out. 

As always I don't collect and use pollen, but always a live male, so he is joining the remaining 4 in the tent for only 2 days before going to reveg. That's more than enough time to ensure a full pollination. 

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Wish I had a better camera to better capture some of his features I like. 

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The view of the 4

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This is so exceptionally exciting and interesting to follow. 

It's really nice to see the train of thought of the breeder and I am learning so much. 

I am proud to be running your genetics and the folks I have given cuttings to are also very VERY happy.

Well done man and thanx for sharing :-respect

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15 minutes ago, John Stonedwell said:

This is so exceptionally exciting and interesting to follow. 

It's really nice to see the train of thought of the breeder and I am learning so much. 

I am proud to be running your genetics and the folks I have given cuttings to are also very VERY happy.

Well done man and thanx for sharing :-respect

Yeah just like growing, there are many ways to approach it with no right or wrong really. 

Some breeders collect and work with lots of pollen at the same time. It's real easy in my mind to loose track of particles that can't be seen singularly. 

So to avoid cross contamination I only work with one type of pollen in a 2 to 3 month period, or 4 to 6 males a year. 

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Day 28

Only 3 phenos remain. 

#1

Been the standout plant since early veg. Her terpene profile is that exact sweet ice-cream on the nose. Her frost development is on point, and she has a large bract size. I'm loving the main cola she is developing too. 

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#6

This is what I would call an average expression of this generation. Nothing too special about her compared to #1. Her terpene profile is also sweet, still developing but not quite that pronounced ice-cream I'm after. Her cola development is distinctly different to #1

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#2

This is the gelato dominant pheno. Compact nodes, battling with shade avoidance and not opening up quite as much as I'd like, but the terpene profile is on point, and she has frost and yield development potential. 

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#1 (left) and #6 (right) 

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Overall my main interest is my #1 pheno for this round. The F1 generation gives you the dominant traits of the 2 lines expressed. #1 fits this perfectly, but in the f2s recessive traits from both lines are going to express. This means that while #1 is an absolute stunner of a plant, it may not be the plant here that produces the best set of activated recessive traits in the next generation. 

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  • 3 weeks later...

Closing off this thread. 

8 weeks, 5 weeks since pollination, and the girls got the chop, hanging to dry. 

While #1 certainly is the frostiest, she has a dirty gassy tone to her terpene profile, I bet she will smoke well. It is #6 that has the ice-cream terpene profile I'm after. She is also a yielder, while #2 has a dominant sour lemon vibe. Let's see how they turn out when dry. 

Looking forward to working with the F2s as soon as the seeds are dry in what is going to be an extensive hunt.

Didn't really take any pics... Seeded bud isn't really photogenic

This is #6

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And just for the hell of it, a clone taken from #1, day 22 of flower, and already pollinated.... Not only rooted, but is developing seeds and starting her reveg process

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That concludes my first project for the year. 

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