highchome Posted May 15, 2021 Author Share Posted May 15, 2021 Update: Day 2 of veg Not too early to count as veg right? Not a great photo, but also not much to show yet. They were under an old blurple light which explains the stretch. I've now got them under a 120W QB. I'll keep the humidity dome for a while. The temperature in the tent seems to be going from 19-23 so not terrible, but I'll have to watch that as it gets colder here. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highchome Posted May 20, 2021 Author Share Posted May 20, 2021 Update: Day 7 of veg Left one is growing pretty well. Middle one, a bit slower but also ok Right on only has half a true leaf and no additional leaves yet. I'll pot them into bigger fabric pots tomorrow morning. I should have done that today but ran out of time Its pretty cold here at night now. I changed the lighting schedule to be off for 4 hours from midday. That way the lights help keep things warm at night. Currently temps are not going much below 18, max is somewhere around 24. I'll see about extra heating over the weekend. I think the overall lower temperatures are slowing things down a bit. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreX Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 On 5/20/2021 at 9:09 PM, highchome said: Currently temps are not going much below 18, max is somewhere around 24. I'll see about extra heating over the weekend. I think the overall lower temperatures are slowing things down a bit. if that is your range of temps, i dont thinkyou need to worry about improving it... its pretty spot on 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highchome Posted May 25, 2021 Author Share Posted May 25, 2021 4 hours ago, CreX said: if that is your range of temps, i dont thinkyou need to worry about improving it... its pretty spot on But... then what would I fiddle with???? 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreX Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, highchome said: But... then what would I fiddle with???? Brah, lol... the struggle is real!! i used to go days without needing to do anything at all...and it would be so irritating that i cant be in the next stage of the grow already haha but you should have them in pots by now, and if thats what your ladies are looking like 5 days ago, they must be looking real pretty about now 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highchome Posted May 25, 2021 Author Share Posted May 25, 2021 Update: Day 12 of veg Theme of the week: DIY I planted the jiffies into coco/perlite on Saturday morning. My small fabric pots are a bit too shallow so I've opted to use polystyrene cups for now (fancy right?). I'll move to 4l fabric pots once they outgrow the cups. The seedlings got a bit leggy before I moved them into the veg tent. So I've added supports using wooden teaspoons and some wool (more fancy!) Growth is pretty good at the moment. I'm watering with a 30% strength fertilizer mix and slowly working up to full veg strength. Lights are about 50cm above the plants and somewhere around 50% strength. I'm increasing brightness a bit every few days. I'l considering lowering the lights a bit once I'm at 100% and the plants still look happy. I've quite creatively named the plants T1, T2 and T3 T1 T2 T3 So far so good :) 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pants Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 So as [mention]Prom [/mention] dropped. Seems lots of light and keep the nutes light. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highchome Posted May 25, 2021 Author Share Posted May 25, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Pants said: Seems lots of light Yeah, mine could be too much. I'll keep an eye. Thanks *edit: I went back to 70cm for now and will lower once the plants are a bit bigger Edited May 25, 2021 by highchome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreX Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 i dono... you should not need any staking on your seedlngs... which means your light is likely not strong enough i would give them more light 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highchome Posted May 27, 2021 Author Share Posted May 27, 2021 19 hours ago, CreX said: you should not need any staking on your seedlngs... which means your light is likely not strong enough Yeah, sorry that was a kak update from me. Busy week and I did not explain it properly, sorry The stretch is from the seedling/clone tent. I could not lower the light there because of my other clones. So I was expecting some stretch. Earlier this week I moved the three seedlings into the veg tent under the 240w QB. I'm pretty sure I started off with it too low, which is why I decided to lift it. I'm watching to see how they do under the bigger lights and lowering every other day until I'm happy. A PAR meter would be nice, but in its absence I'm just aiming not to scorch them. Lower until it is too much then back off a bit (tm) Thanks again for the advice though :) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highchome Posted June 1, 2021 Author Share Posted June 1, 2021 (edited) Update: Day 19 of veg Some pretty clear curling of the leaves today, and T2 (at the back) is growing quite a bit slower that the other two. I need to check the EC of my ferts, it would appear that its quite a bit too high at the moment. Fortunately I'm growing in coco so correcting this is pretty simple. I've flushed this morning and will test runoff until I'm happy before starting with the newly mixed (and EC tested) ferts. Apart from that the plants are looking healthy and strong. My night time temps are now around 17 so I'm watching to see if I need to do anything about that Edited June 3, 2021 by highchome 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prom Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 Don't you want to re-pot those?? Are a bit big for the cup size you use. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highchome Posted June 1, 2021 Author Share Posted June 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Prom said: Don't you want to re-pot those?? Are a bit big for the cup size you use. Yeah, I'll do that pretty soon, probably this weekend. Coco seems to need much smaller pots than soil, but even so they are due an upgrade now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highchome Posted June 3, 2021 Author Share Posted June 3, 2021 Update: Week 3 of veg - doh! This is probably an upsetting image, my apologies Repotted Probably worth talking about how I screwed up so far. I almost always grow from clones so my seedling stage growing clearly needs work. The ferts I was using for the seedlings had much too high an EC. I was diluting my veg ferts but was not diluting it nearly enough (or testing the EC ) That and being a bit distracted by non-cannabis things the last couple of weeks was enough to cause what looks like N toxicity. I've given the coco a flush and have have started using ferts with a (tested) much lower EC. The new growth is already looking better, so I'm hopeful. As I understand with N toxicity the old leaves don't recover fully/quickly. T1 and T2 have pretty good root systems and despite the horror that is the drooping there, the leaves look ok. So I'm hopeful. I'm estimating that I've lost a good week, maybe more, due to stunting. Its going to be really interesting to see how they do from this point on. Pretty silly mistake, but I'm happy. Just learned something valuable for next time. Also I'm really glad I'm growing in coco, it make the testing and correction very easy 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGG Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 Keep on keeping on , these girls are renowned for recoveries .Sent from my Hisense Infinity H50 using Tapatalk 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highchome Posted June 9, 2021 Author Share Posted June 9, 2021 Update: Week 4 of veg These plants are really impressive. Despite my best attempt to poison them they are recovering really well. I'd still say that has cost be a good two weeks, but its fun to watch them recover whatever :) The old leaves are still droopy and are starting to yellow. The new leaves are looking nice and healthy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S33dFr33k Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 Keep pushing. You got this! 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highchome Posted June 15, 2021 Author Share Posted June 15, 2021 Update: Week 5 of veg Huge improvement this week. I think they are now starting to grow at a more reasonable rate. Still no where near where they needed to be at this point. But I'm enjoying watching them recover at least. Plants were all topped, kinda sad removing the healthiest leaves, but all for a good cause :). I'll let them recover a few days and then think about LST Pics of before and after 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highchome Posted June 21, 2021 Author Share Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) I'm seeing some sediment in my res after mixing. I've never had that happen before. This has not been my best grow . FWIW this is what I posted on @ExoticCannabis2021 page: What I tried last time was, silicone in the res for ~1 hour. Then A, then B, then pH down, then H2O2. Got sediment even like that. Over the weekend I did only A+B (diluted separately first in ~5L) and H2O2, and the water is looking cloudy to me today. Sigh... Next I'll try just A+B and see what that does. This is all very strange as I've never had issues before. Also very odd that the res water started out clear and only started looking cloudy ~24 hours after mixing. I'm going to have to play around a bit and see if its an actual problem atm and if so what I can do to fix it. So far no signs of lockout/deficiencies in the competition plants but I have the start, of what looks like it, in one of the other plants I'm growing so I definitely need to work out what is happening Edited June 21, 2021 by highchome 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExoticCannabis2021 Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 2 hours ago, highchome said: I'm seeing some sediment in my res after mixing. I've never had that happen before. This has not been my best grow . FWIW this is what I posted on @ExoticCannabis2021 page: What I tried last time was, silicone in the res for ~1 hour. Then A, then B, then pH down, then H2O2. Got sediment even like that. Over the weekend I did only A+B (diluted separately first in ~5L) and H2O2, and the water is looking cloudy to me today. Sigh... Next I'll try just A+B and see what that does. This is all very strange as I've never had issues before. Also very odd that the res water started out clear and only started looking cloudy ~24 hours after mixing. I'm going to have to play around a bit and see if its an actual problem atm and if so what I can do to fix it. So far no signs of lockout/deficiencies in the competition plants but I have the start, of what looks like it, in one of the other plants I'm growing so I definitely need to work out what is happening Nice save on the plants! Your mixing strategy shouldnt cause any lockout or salt build up issues. Unless you are keeping your water standing during the 24 hours and when adding the nutes - then nothing is properly mixing. I drop a water pump in mine so that its continously mixing and then in the DWC res theres an air pump so theres constant water movement. Make i ask why you are using H202? Is it for any Algae that might pop up? I know most people only use H202 in res for DWC because of root rot issues. H202 will kill everything. Even anything beneficial to your plants. And incorrect dosage can also harm roots (Just checking if you are aware ) Didnt mind the comments on my thread btw 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highchome Posted June 22, 2021 Author Share Posted June 22, 2021 Update: Week 6 of veg I'm finally starting to see good growth again, so I've just done the LST. The photos are from immediately after so everything is still bent down a bit from being pushed around. I'll take photos again in a few days. And yeah, hillbilly style with string and binders. I've found it easy to work with and adjust so good enough for me My biggest concern atm is what looks like precipitation in my res. I've never had issues before with hortimix so I'm not sure what I'm seeing that now. So far I've tried My original (flawed) way: A then B then silicon then pH with no delay between each. This is definitely the worst way What should work in theory: Silicone into the res for +1 hour, then A (diluted), the B (diluted) then pH For the second method I took out ~5L of water for each of the A + B before putting in the silicon, then added them in after the 1 hour wait. Always stirred really well, and air pump running 100% of the time. There was no cloudiness with the 2nd option at all, but it went cloudy after ~24 hours. Very strange... I have recently started adding H2O2 (thanks for asking & the concern @ExoticCannabis2021). I'v read some good things about a reasonably low dosage of H2O2 being generally beneficial so was giving that a try. I'm not convinced that its causing the precipitation issues but my next attempt is going to be only A+B and see what happens there. I've seen no signs of nutrient deficiency with these plants so all ok so far. But I do have a few other similar age ones that have one or two leaves starting to show signs of issues, so this is something I need to get sorted ASAP. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batista Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 Wow, they look like totally different plants between the week 5 and 6 pic. Very healthy and thick looking lol Im using the same hortimix, but don't have that thickness, could that be the silicone that's doing that? Sent from my SM-A715F using Tapatalk 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highchome Posted June 24, 2021 Author Share Posted June 24, 2021 On 6/23/2021 at 12:20 AM, Batista said: Wow, they look like totally different plants between the week 5 and 6 pic Yeah, its pretty crazy. Great fun to watch them recover :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highchome Posted June 29, 2021 Author Share Posted June 29, 2021 Update: Week 7 of veg I've been trying to see what combination of the nutrient mix was causing the white precipitate. So far nothing . I'll keep those for a bit longer to see if anything changes. I'm beginning to wonder if it was not just the silicon that I had not let stand for long enough before mixing in the A+B. Then the cloudiness a few days after the mixing could simply be a bacterial bloom. I usually clean out the res, but I've not been cleaning the airstones. This could be an issue as they are ideal places for bateria to grow. I've bleached them and will try a new res later this week to see. Feels like some progress at least, seems unlikely its a bad batch of nutrients at this point :) The plants are looking good, filling out nicely now. T3 is still the smallest of the three, so I think I'll keep that for clones and only flower the other two. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highchome Posted July 2, 2021 Author Share Posted July 2, 2021 On 6/29/2021 at 8:16 AM, highchome said: I've bleached them and will try a new res later this week to see. I mixed a full batch again, giving the silicon several hours to dissolve first and as soon as I added the A mix in the water still went cloudy. Then I remembered that when I purchased the new silicon at the beginning of the year there was a not about it on the hydroponic.co.za. I just checked at its still there "As from mid October 2020, we have witched to a new supplier of Silicon Plus...". So I think its reasonable to assume that the new supplier's silicon is reacting with the A due to some difference in some way and that has been the actual issue. Possibly with some bacterial issues as I mentioned above. I should then be ok using only the A+B+MPK from now on. However I've decided to give GHE FloraCoco a try in the near future, thanks for the push @PsyCLown:) I've still got some other plants in hydro outside, I'll continue using hortimix there. I'll note in an update here when I switch these plants over to GHE 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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