donnob Posted July 13, 2021 Author Share Posted July 13, 2021 6 hours ago, Green Leaf Organics said: Hi bud looking good . One slight thing I have noticed in your soil pot is that you never seem so saturate the medium . I may be wrong about this but it always seems like you just watering around the base of the plant . By doing this you are limiting root growth . You need to saturate the entire pot and then let the medium cycle through a wet dry cycle. As I said I may be wrong and I an just going off the pics shared . If you refine your watering in the soil you will have a largely increased yield as the tlroot ball will be much bigger . Just my 2 cents Thanks GLO, I normally take her out to water, I have a bucket with a grid and water until I can see runoff coming out of the pot. I haven't been focusing on where I'm watering though, so I'll take your advice and be mindful about trying to saturate all of the medium right through. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Leaf Organics Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 3 hours ago, donnob said: Thanks GLO, I normally take her out to water, I have a bucket with a grid and water until I can see runoff coming out of the pot. I haven't been focusing on where I'm watering though, so I'll take your advice and be mindful about trying to saturate all of the medium right through. You need to saturate the entire medium ,roots won't like spreading to dry soil and dry soil micro life will almost completely stop producing nutrients for your plant. It's also good to bare in mind that soil can become hydrophobic if let to dry out to much. This means that when you water you may get runoff but are you actually not saturating the medium and water is just running through your soil. What you need to do wet the medium across the entire pot not just around the root ball , only apply enough water to wet the entire top. Then wait 10 min and apply the same amount of water again , wait 5 minutes and you should get runoff . If at this stage you not getting runoff repeat and take not how much water your medium can optimly hold. If you find your plant then wilts its a sign of an underdeveloped root system and the plant is not utilizing the entire pot . The wilting is caused by the water cutting off oxygen supply . In Organics your entire medium needs to stay damp for soil health , dry medium is a dead medium I have gone weeks between watering in bigger pots and small plants. This is why the correct ratio of perlite is also required in your soil because perlite is a key to prevent overwatering. This is also why I hate vermiculite as its the number one cause of beginners killing plants with overwatering 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grass Baas Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, Green Leaf Organics said: You need to saturate the entire medium ,roots won't like spreading to dry soil and dry soil micro life will almost completely stop producing nutrients for your plant. It's also good to bare in mind that soil can become hydrophobic if let to dry out to much. This means that when you water you may get runoff but are you actually not saturating the medium and water is just running through your soil. What you need to do wet the medium across the entire pot not just around the root ball , only apply enough water to wet the entire top. Then wait 10 min and apply the same amount of water again , wait 5 minutes and you should get runoff . If at this stage you not getting runoff repeat and take not how much water your medium can optimly hold. If you find your plant then wilts its a sign of an underdeveloped root system and the plant is not utilizing the entire pot . The wilting is caused by the water cutting off oxygen supply . In Organics your entire medium needs to stay damp for soil health , dry medium is a dead medium I have gone weeks between watering in bigger pots and small plants. This is why the correct ratio of perlite is also required in your soil because perlite is a key to prevent overwatering. This is also why I hate vermiculite as its the number one cause of beginners killing plants with overwatering Hey dudes. Sorry to jump in abit late but this is great info. I once also had major issues with over watering and underwatering. Never knew what to do. The one thing I realised is that I now prefer to increase my pot sizes as my plants grow. Makes it so much easier to water. For e.g.. if I water a brand new clone that has developed roots and just been transplanted into a pot, I make sure to saturate the entire pot. Just like @Green Leaf Organics mentioned about waiting a few minutes between watering, as it allows all the water to disperse through the medium, then your runoff will be from no more space for absorption rather than being hydrophobic. So usually just after a transplant the young plants take about 5-7 days to get the medium dry enough for the next watering. About 3 to 4 weeks after the transplant they usually start to get drier in about 1-2 days between watering. Then I know the plants are getting big enough to be transplanted and then I start again by saturation and waiting a couple days etc etc. Either Way, so far it's looking really good. Keep up the good work 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_StonedTrooper Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 Best and quickest way, Bottom chugging, you have a tray that you pour your feed or water into at the base, and after 30min, remove the tray and what ever didnt pull / wick up. It will suck what it needs, and you'll no longer have fungus gnat issues. If you do this, you'll have a game changer move. And you can thank me later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donnob Posted July 13, 2021 Author Share Posted July 13, 2021 @Green Leaf Organics @The Grass Baas @The_StonedTrooper Thanks for all the advice guys, I wouldn't have thought much about saturating the complete media had this bit of insight crossed not crossed my path. I'll report back on my next watering 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donnob Posted July 17, 2021 Author Share Posted July 17, 2021 Week 8 Update / Flower Week 2 Morning fam, this week was defol time for me to remove the lower stuff that won't make the cut (intentional lame pun ) and to give some light to the stragglers that just might push through to the tops. Last time I'm touching the leaves until much later. Ms Organic is a beautiful steady growing plant. I followed the great advice of @Green Leaf Organics and was mindful of saturating all of the media to runoff and following up with another saturation 20min later. As predicted she looked a bit droopy initially but not too bad, she bounced back quickly and was soon up and about with more vigor than before. Pics to follow All the ladies before defol: Ladies immediately defol: Some pics of what they currently look like: Ms Organic getting a good soak and looking a little droopy: But snapped out of it very quickly: Have a great weekend! 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donnob Posted July 25, 2021 Author Share Posted July 25, 2021 Week 9 Update / Flower Week 3 There was an explosion of growth this week although the bud development seems to be a little behind. Don't know if it's the cold, or something else but it just seems a little more delayed than usual. There are definitive signs of flowering albeit slower on the bud development side. Besides that they look really healthy and full and I'm looking forward to seeing them bloom: 6 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mantis Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 They look really good well done man I'm just a bit confused with 3 weeks into flower and no flower sites normally you start to see them 10-14 don't you maybe have a light leak ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donnob Posted July 26, 2021 Author Share Posted July 26, 2021 32 minutes ago, mantis said: They look really good well done man I'm just a bit confused with 3 weeks into flower and no flower sites normally you start to see them 10-14 don't you maybe have a light leak ? Thanks @mantis, yea I know, they are little behind on the bud development side, which is weird and it's been bugging me as well. After my update they have eventually begun to show bud sites, I'll post a pic if I get in there early enough tomorrow morning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donnob Posted July 27, 2021 Author Share Posted July 27, 2021 21 hours ago, mantis said: They look really good well done man I'm just a bit confused with 3 weeks into flower and no flower sites normally you start to see them 10-14 don't you maybe have a light leak ? Just a little update... we have bloom! 11 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_StonedTrooper Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 So healthy my friend 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Leaf Organics Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 (edited) Looking good , loving the side by side between organic and hydro . That organic plant is looking extremely happy. The organic one has better bud development but smaller , Looks like you have a nice indica dominant baby there . How's the watering style change working out for you ? Edited July 27, 2021 by Green Leaf Organics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donnob Posted July 27, 2021 Author Share Posted July 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Green Leaf Organics said: Looking good , loving the side by side between organic and hydro . That organic plant is looking extremely happy. The organic one has better bud development but smaller , Looks like you have a nice indica dominant baby there . How's the watering style change working out for you ? Ms Organic stole my heart from the beginning but ya, her buds are looking beautiful. I'm glad I have a copy The watering works amazingly well, no more drooping of leaves afterwards and she loves the soak. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highchome Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 On 7/27/2021 at 7:37 PM, donnob said: Just a little update... we have bloom! Looking good. Also seems to be about as far as mine are now. Good news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donnob Posted July 31, 2021 Author Share Posted July 31, 2021 Week 10 Update / Flower Week 4 It has been a joy opening the tent every day to find something new. It also really cool to see that all 3 plants are very different. The hydro girls They love to eat and drink, they're loving their EC a little higher now during flower between 1.8-2 seems to be golden. Anything less and they go pale green, anything more and the tips burn a little. These plants grow like crazy, thick thick stems with older fans much bigger than my hand. Ms Organic Classic and dainty, she grows out perfectly with beautiful buds. If she were a person she'd be calm, collected and walk with class and grace. Some pics: Tent view: Bud close ups showing the different expressions: T1 - Back right: T2 - Back left T3 - Front left 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donnob Posted August 8, 2021 Author Share Posted August 8, 2021 (edited) Week 11 Update / Flower Week 5 Still having fun this side and the differences in the phenos are getting accentuated now. From the wispy thin sativa-ish leaves of T1, to the tall and vigorous T2 and the short and stocky T3. Tent Overview: T1 - Back right: T2 - Back left: T3 - Front left: Edited August 15, 2021 by donnob 11 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iGrowDagga Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 Looks like you're ordering chicken 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donnob Posted August 15, 2021 Author Share Posted August 15, 2021 (edited) Week 12 Update / Flower Week 6 There's not much to report on this week. It has been really cold lately and the girls looked slightly stressed, except Ms Organic, she definitely took it a lot better than the other 2, she didn't even show the slightest sign of stress. Got a few buds on the leaves even some on fan leaf stems. Other than that everything seems to be going okay. Serious stretch on T2 though, I'm contemplating supercropping the long branches Bud growing on leaf stem: Bud growing on leaf: Edited August 15, 2021 by donnob Pic descriptions 7 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donnob Posted August 22, 2021 Author Share Posted August 22, 2021 (edited) Week 13 Update / Flower Week 7 I still got some vertical growth from T2 this week so I had to super crop the 2 long stems to at least be a little shorter. I didn't want to lift my light any more because of the other 2 shorter girls. She seems to be going strong after that which I'm happy for. No end in sight for the 2 hydro girls, looks like they're going to flowering for a while. Ms Organic is going along nicely as well. Getting nice delicous smelling plump buds and she is still just as short and stocky Tent view: T1 (back right): T2 (back left): T3 (front left): Have a good week guys Edited August 23, 2021 by donnob 5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreX Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 @donnob, hows some more pics of the hydro lady? sounds like she is doing a similar thing my lady is doing.... and one pic my plant seems to want to reveg or something but shes going strong, but will flower long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donnob Posted August 26, 2021 Author Share Posted August 26, 2021 8 hours ago, CreX said: @donnob, hows some more pics of the hydro lady? sounds like she is doing a similar thing my lady is doing.... and one pic my plant seems to want to reveg or something but shes going strong, but will flower long No probs man, I did a big defol on them a few nights ago, it was just getting too leafy in there. I've got 3 distinctly different plants in the making here... T1, this is the pheno I think looks like yours: T2, she is very tall with big node spacing: T3- the organic girl she is short and stocky with nice tightly spaced buds: Group photo: 8 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donnob Posted August 30, 2021 Author Share Posted August 30, 2021 (edited) Week 14 Update / Flower Week 8 We're inching closer to the finish line but still a fair way off, T3 will definitely be first in line although she is also been pushing out new flowers recently: Tent photo: T1 (back right): T2 (back left): T3 (front left): Edited August 30, 2021 by donnob 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donnob Posted September 6, 2021 Author Share Posted September 6, 2021 (edited) Week 15 Update / Flower Week 9 Had some PM creep in in a few spots and decided to use PapaJ's KHCO3 and it seems to have been effective, I realise it will rear it's ugly head again but I hope to keep it under control until harvest. So far so good... Also made a 2x rookie mistakes this past week in the hydro res and it could come back to haunt me, 1) I bought the wrong Micro for my water. I use RO water but bought the hard water Micro which has less cal/mag in, caught it in the end and countered with CalMag, 2) On top of that I swapped the Micro and Grow dosages and only realised 10 days later. Eish, I guess it is what it is. I did a flush with FlashKleen over the weekend and changed the res to Ripen. The ladies are doing good overall and I think it's the last little dash to the finish line. T3 has had such a good run though. If the end result is as good as she grows I'd love to do a grow of just her and be able to get the light where I need it. The hydro ladies are still going to need some time to finish off but again, T2 is such a strong plant she has big node spacing but if you could concentrate your efforts into just her needs she could easily stack those spaces. Enough rant, let's get to it: Group photo: T1 - back right: T2 - back left: T3 - front left - I think this is the star of this show so far: Edited September 6, 2021 by donnob 7 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donnob Posted September 13, 2021 Author Share Posted September 13, 2021 Week 16 Update / Flower Week 10 I've changed my mind on who to bring forward. The tall, strong and beautiful T2 has grown on me. He flowers are so colorful and resinous, she has really astounded me. Also realised I don't have a clone of her for some reason so I monstercropped one of the budlets on the the lower growth, really hope I can get something rooted of this baby I'm hoping to give these girls the axe the weekend, trichomes will tell closer to the time though. They could easily go a lot longer but I don't enjoy the effect of a belated harvest even though that's when they pack on the pounds. With bringing T2 to the sacrificial judgment altar I went ahead and started trimming the fans off T1 and T3 getting them harvest ready and letting them buds soak up as many rays as they can until D-Day.. Caution: barrage of photos below: Group photo: T1 (back right): T2 (back left): Getting there but still needs time T3 - front left Clear trichs still prevalent 4 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donnob Posted September 19, 2021 Author Share Posted September 19, 2021 (edited) Week 17 Update / Flower Week 11 / Harvest Thanks to 420sa fam for this experience. Being a part of this competition has pushed me to be better and pushed my hardware budget also Thanks to everyone involved and thank you all for allowing me to enter late. Overall I'm pretty happy with the result even with the 16 day handicap. This girl stole my heart right at the end with her colour and vigor. So the time of reckoning is upon us (or me).. I bring forth Tortoni #2 for your judgment and viewing pleasure.. Edited September 19, 2021 by donnob 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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