Flower Tent Log

[ORGANinc.]

This round is looking great , how long did you veg for?

[Naughty.Psychonaut]

Thanks man! first batch from start to finish in my own soil

eeh good question hahah I haven't been logging or keeping notes as often as I should, but they went for anything between 2.5 and 3.5 months. 

I can remember going a whole lot longer than planned cutting them back quite a bit when they where in the veg tent, because of my previous grow that was in here. took too long, actually still growing on that batch I just moved them outside. good time of the year now I'll have two batches harvested almost at the same time  

[Naughty.Psychonaut]

PeanutButterBreath

PlatinumSilk

GrapeDiamonds 

GarlicSherbet

another shot of the GS 

[Naughty.Psychonaut]

Girls getting nice and thiick

[Naughty.Psychonaut]

Grape Diamonds - Ethos Genetics, taking her time, slowed down a bit by excessive K she seems a bit more sensetive than the rest. 

Platinum Silk - Inhouse Genetics, throwing a polyploidy  

Garlic Sherbet - Inhouse Genetics  

Peanutbutter Breath - Thugpug Genetics  

[Bos]

5 hours ago, Naughty.Psychonaut said:

Grape Diamonds - Ethos Genetics, taking her time, slowed down a bit by excessive K she seems a bit more sensetive than the rest. 

Platinum Silk - Inhouse Genetics, throwing a polyploidy  

Garlic Sherbet - Inhouse Genetics  

Peanutbutter Breath - Thugpug Genetics  

Awesome photos...

[Naughty.Psychonaut]

Harvested, trimmed and weighed. No smoke report yet

will be running all these again, not happy with my trip up right before the finish line.

 

Grape Diamonds Ethos Genetics DaggaFarmacy cut, terrible expression due to my fuckup so not best representation of this pheno. will try again. Heavy grape terps coming through still, straight grape no other smells, love it! 90g buds in jars about 15g popcorn along with the sugar leaves in the hashbags.

Platinum Silk Inhouse genetics cut from a friend, bud in the photo is the polyploid mentioned earlier. same story, not satisfied with expression. will try again, fun thing about photos you can run that exact pheno again. Chem terps, kinda gross how much like actual glue this shit smells, sticks to your fingers all day  gona be a hard hitter. 88g in jars and also about 15g popcorns. chek the alien bud lol

Peanutbutter Breath ThugPug Genetics DaggaFarmacy cut. This is a keeper, anyone getting clones from DF do yourself a favour and try their PBB. haven't smoked it yet and can already tell it's a keeper. It's got ALL the terps, it just smells like straight up DANK weed. Got savoury notes, fruity notes, gassy/chem notes.... really hard to describe this deep rich terp that makes me high just smelling it. smaller yielder, but makes up in terps 75g buds in jars and no pop corns  

 

 

The winner for this round - Garlic Sherbet Inhouse Genetics cut from a friend. Name makes the terp clear, candy garlic and it's very clear hahahah stink up your whole house offensive smell but you wana keep smelling it! She was the smallest plant of the bunch with only about 5 main colas, but she made some heavy rock solid buds. had I vegged her for longer and given her more space she will knock the PBB yield way out the park, cause with only 5 main colas she gave me 68g, no popcorns. 

Group photo

Next round is in 

Forbidos Inhouse Genetics Dagga Farmacy cut. Forbidden Fruits x Dosidos. tent is on 18/6 till she fills the space then flip. 1 plant 60L pot. first time I do avo tech cause I got worms, spring tails and isopods moving around and I believe the pot is big enough to play around like this. Soil treated over a long period of time with all kinds of SST, LABs, FPJ and AACT. mixed with my own worm castings and jamies elemental blend  

that's it for now

blessed week for all, smoking more helps to stay warm

[Naughty.Psychonaut]

Threw the net down, just recovering from all the bending and manipulation then flipping this babe

hope everyones having a lekker weekend

 

[Naughty.Psychonaut]

Ok, so a bunch of things have shifted around, veg tent is now flower tent since these local genetics just exploding. flower tent just getting clean watering enough to keep soil 50% moist but not encourage much growth, also cut her back a whole bunch, reduced light and just letting her relax before the hard work starts. 

SSC now in w4 of flower 

#1 

#2

#3

#4 

#5 

[Naughty.Psychonaut]

@Totemic bringing the FIRE to those of you okes looking for US standard "instagram worthy" genetics, hit up the reputable local breeders. Knowing the lineage will help some of the older Dutch breeders catching up quick, but I feel SA local breeders giving internationals a run for their money. here's the proof  

passed the halfway line, two stretchers showing some sativa growth-like charactaristics so they probably right at halfway 

SSC#1 - medium stretch

SSC#2 - 

SSC#3 - compact

SSC#4 - stretcher in the bunch

SSC#5

now a short write up

more or less the same terps from all of them, can smell a lot of the candy -almost burnt sugar like- terp that reminds me of the Deluxe Sugarcane cut I grew. only #5 got a chem note hidden somewhere in it, but not chem I am used to. I've come across many chemical terps, but it's usually an overwhelming amount of a certain terp that turns it chemical, like a pungent fruity terp will turn chemical if it's fruity enough, a gassy terp will turn chemical if it's gassy enough. So there's always something with the chem. my last grow I had a Platinum Silk pheno from Inhouse Genetics, before the first smoke I was not really hyped on the strain, made beautiful nugs but I couldn't get myself excited cause it smelled like straight super glue. that nose stingy chemical glue terp that makes you go "Oh this is some real fucking gluey glue". I seriously thought there was something wrong with the plant.... after a month of cure I now understand how Gorilla Glue got the name. there's an actual glue terp, I mean I have smoked maybe 20 different looking "Gorilla Glue" strains, most of the was good weed but I never tasted glue like this. and I fucking love it, it's probably some of the strongest weed I have at the momemt and I love smoking it more than any of the other fruity stuff I have. I actually cut back on smoking it in order to savour it, so you know it's that good. back to the point, this SSC#5 got an actual soapy chemical smell that both puts me off but also makes me excited in the same way that PS got me. I am beginning to understand why there's a couple new genetics out there with "Soap" in the name. I mean, imagine smoking soap. or just consuming soap, hearing that name before completely put me off cause I just thought who the hell would go for something that may taste like soap... but now I understand. 

[Naughty.Psychonaut]

finishing up, last 2 weeks for the 1st to go

#2 & #4 first to fade 

#3 will be next

#1 & #5 will be last

photo of #4 

 

[Ill_Evan]

Good shit 

[Naughty.Psychonaut]

Been smoke testing them all this past week, verging on 3weeks cure now things are starting to speak up. Clear winner #4. Extremely resinous, and I don't mean trichome count. Resin is something inside the trichome. Trichomes themself don't make you high. Looking at one singular mature trichome the stalk and outer layer of resin head is basically a mix of pure celluloce and silica. The resin inside the resin head contains the tetrahydrocanabinol in all different forms and qualities. All 5 these SSC cuts had about the same trichome production/count, yet only #4 fucked my scissors to the point where I had to clean between every second or third bud or else the scissor will get stuck. 

You can draw your own conclusions with that information, clearly a lot more can and should be said, but for now here's the report. 

1st Rundown -

10 to 12 weeks flower, had different expressions across 5 phenos, 1st plant to finish on week 10 but the rest clearly had to go longer, 2 plants harvested a week later and another 2 plants harvested on week 12. 

5 plants in 1 year mature living soil built with my own worm castings and a shit ton of ongoing KNF treatments (FPJ, FPE, FFJ, FFE, LABS, SST, JMS and more) unfortunately not no till as each plant got their own 30L pot, so I had to disturb when loading pots. 5 different phenos warrent individual pots to avoid root zone competition and get a fuller expression of charactaristics. If I do a monocrop I will run a bed.

Alternating between worm piss from my worm tower and clean water. One single topdress last week of veg. Jamies Elemental blend + Bat guano + Micronized Calcium.

Total weight = 365g

GPW = 1.2

#1 - 69g Gelato/Cookies terps. For the bulk suppliers this would be your pick on bag appeal alone. 

#2 - 77g Fruity/Floral terps with a hidden Gelato sweetness, but the least cookies leaning pheno of the bunch. 

#3 - 65g Straight Cookie sweet terps, most compact/smallest out of the bunch, really nice structure, rock hard dense buds. 

#4 - The keeper. 74g Chemical/Gas terps hit you right in the face, with a lingering cookie sweetness, heavy flavour covers the whole inside of your mouth, can't smoke enough of her. I prefer green weed over purple too, may be a placebo by now, but purple is a turn off. This bud sticky as fuuuug. 

#5 - 80g biggest yielder. Straight up and down Cookie terps all the way. 

Additional info - Have not processed any of the buds cause they're all good enough to smoke just the way they are. Trim got stuck in the bag, wouldn't fall out even when I shake the bag upside down open. got it on video for those who wana see. Took 40g of the trim to the press, got 4.5g 1st press and 3.6g on the second press. Total of 8.1g from 40g trim gives me a fat 20% return on the trim alone on par with some of the best bud. Pressed Peanut Butter Breath buds, got a 25% return so I know it goes higher, but 25% is about maxing it out for now, I've heard about 30% returns, just haven't worked with it before. All videos of the trim/press/rosin and what what will be thrown up on my instagram page. ethnobotany.winelands 

[SHiNi]

Beautifull ladies I just have one question how do you get your ladies trimmed so nicely? No leaf in sight.

[Ill_Evan]

8 hours ago, SHiNi said:

Beautifull ladies I just have one question how do you get your ladies trimmed so nicely? No leaf in sight.

Mostly time, mostly skill. Some strains are also just much easier to trim. 

[SHiNi]

1 hour ago, Ill_Evan said:

1 hour ago, Ill_Evan said:

Mostly time, mostly skill. Some strains are also just much easier to trim. 

 

Thanks Evan that's the only thing I hate about growing is trimming lol takes forever

[AK-47 Gold Arabesque]

4 hours ago, SHiNi said:

Thanks Evan that's the only thing I hate about growing is trimming lol takes forever

Agree 100%. I spend so much time trimming and my buds will look nothing like these guys 

Honestly I think its also strain bud structure as well. 

[Naughty.Psychonaut]

On 11/1/2023 at 1:09 AM, SHiNi said:

Beautifull ladies I just have one question how do you get your ladies trimmed so nicely? No leaf in sight.

Hi brother I just love cannabis and everything around it, all that was mentioned and then also good time management. I know a lot of people that would much rather go for a few beers than to finish their trimming.... and a whole lot of other stuff not trying to beat around the bush, but it just is what it is. 

I already know some old cats gona get suuuur gat when I say this, cause the cannabis industry revolves around status points and obviously no one would ever be able to know more than these older growers, same as the weed back in the day being soooo much stronger than we have today  I strongly discourage talking to people over the age of 45 about growing. I talk to some "serious seasoned growers" and they bombard me with questions before I am finished answering one question they wana ramble off the next just trying to "catch me out" or some school yard nonsense. 

Majority of people who get into weed is cause they like smoking it. I am not a weed guy, I am a plant guy. My background is in horticulture, permaculture, botany and mycology. That's what I do in my spare time. I am so fucked in the head by plants that's all I do all the time, so to me the plant is soooooo much more than just the cannabis we smoke. I will talk and have long form discussions about it day in and day out, and not just the cannabis part, the rest of the plant too. As soon as the person I am talking to takes the "I'm gona teach this guy a lesson" approach, they start talking to themself. I am not into cannabis to be cool or to be the best, I just honestly love working with plants. Trimming cannabis, to me, is a huge pleasure, I take extra time to investigate and do things most people would consider a waste, but to me that just shows a person validating their own preconceptive laziness. For example - I run living soil that I build and maintain myself, but when I talk about it every second comment is "that sounds like a lot of work" or "you do too much, I only do this..." and best of all is I never even ask, they just feel the need to chime in. As things are right now I am looking for ways to better what I do, I wana do more, cause the amount of work I put in, is already done. when doing real living soil you literally doing the least out of every method of growing, it just takes work to get there. once you there it's almost no work, so when a "serious grower" wana tell me I do too much, they can go fuck a hobo.  

but yeah genetics make a big difference too, I would trim for others too, not a big deal to me don't even have to reward me with weed but I would never say no, just don't accept payment for it. I got only one rule, I will not trim shitty weed. I grow a plant that's too leafy/airy for my liking I just cut all fan leaves that don't have trichomes and the rest goes in the hash bags. So yeah genetics can make the biggest difference there, and then you can add to that the fact that a 1st time grower realistically faces the possibility of growing a top tier genetic and it coming out airy and leafy cause of grow tech and all that, even seasoned growers run into this when they still figuring new genetics out. Harvesting a healthy plant over a sub par or unhealthy plant can determine the trim job aswell, have had failed plants just go straight into hash bags, covered in trichomes but bud forms was off, cause I fucked up the grow, then grow that same pheno and produce nice rock solid nuggs, those I trim  

hope this wasn't too much of an answer 

[AK-47 Gold Arabesque]

@Naughty.Psychonaut you're the king of yapping, but in a good way  love reading the elaborate responses.

Besides genetics, what would you say are the main factors in a plant ending up leafy/airy? Light leaks? feeding? or is it just everything in general.

My next grow I'm really trying to achieve some dense nugs.

[Ill_Evan]

11 hours ago, AK-47 Gold Arabesque said:

@Naughty.Psychonaut you're the king of yapping, but in a good way  love reading the elaborate responses.

Besides genetics, what would you say are the main factors in a plant ending up leafy/airy? Light leaks? feeding? or is it just everything in general.

My next grow I'm really trying to achieve some dense nugs.

80% genetics, 20% growing environment. 

Genetics are actually such a cheat. You can grow great strains like trash and usually still get very good bud. 

IF you have good genetics that once were dense, but are now airy, it would be due to too little light intensity, overwatering, too hot/cold growing environment, bad humidity and bad nutrient feed, or a combination of. 

[Naughty.Psychonaut]

21 hours ago, Ill_Evan said:

80% genetics, 20% growing environment. 

Genetics are actually such a cheat. You can grow great strains like trash and usually still get very good bud. 

IF you have good genetics that once were dense, but are now airy, it would be due to too little light intensity, overwatering, too hot/cold growing environment, bad humidity and bad nutrient feed, or a combination of. 

Hammer on the head

the other side is if you got poop genetics doesn't matter what you do condition wise, it's gona come out poop. but you literally get all different creeds of "weed". I've grown incredibly frosty plants that taste horrible, grow the same cut a few times cause I think maybe I fucked it up, but then it comes out like that everytime. I've grown airy buds that have more resin than some dense buds I've grown. I've had super terpy and frosty nugs not make me high at all and I've had buds that don't look too frosty and got no smell got me more goofed than most generic strains... but then I don't enjoy the smoke so it's not like one or the other, it's more like there's a million different ways it can go, you on a tight rope and gotta find that balance by making sure you do many things right. for example, get the right seeds + do what ever you can to improve grow conditions + learn to speak plant so you don't have to wait to already see damage then fix it rather try avoiding damage at all costs, and a few other things. 

On 11/2/2023 at 8:25 PM, AK-47 Gold Arabesque said:

@Naughty.Psychonaut you're the king of yapping, but in a good way  love reading the elaborate responses.

Besides genetics, what would you say are the main factors in a plant ending up leafy/airy? Light leaks? feeding? or is it just everything in general.

My next grow I'm really trying to achieve some dense nugs.

It's a pleasure typing them I can yap about plants and plant people all day. We love to present ourselves with this ethereal positivite force always in a good mood, always spreading postivity always affirming everything and there's no right or wrong way nature works in balance, that's the whole point. we have good and bad, right and wrong and even more than that we have a spectrum of how right and how wrong.

here is a photo I came across on the internet, some of my friends will have their jars filled with buds like these 

and that's perfectly fine for them, their priorities lies elsewhere, again not saying it to be mean, it just is what it is. people who get offended by the truth needs to accept and conform to the truth so they can be in a better mental state. People smoke leaf with no resin on. fuck knows why, I think it comes from a time being short of weed and now wanting to smoke as much as possible. and as they say, "beauty lies in the eye of the beholder" and some dudes just don't mind a woman with extra baggage  

to answer your question, I would say 1st thing to worry about is genetics for sure, almost just as important is light, stuff like a light leak may make you think you got herm genetics, but it's just a condition flaw. Weak light, insufficient light, wrong colour spectrum will all have you produce poooo. Like on a colour spectrum wheel, you have opposite ends, you can put the very best grow light on one end and on the other end you put a 10w CFL bulb, it's quite obvious that the cfl grow will produce the airiest fluffiest shittiest non smokable twig and leaf looking nonsense bud, where the grow with the decent light will already put you way ahead of the other grow. but then you can have the best genetics, best light, but you run your humidity too high you can suffocate and stunt growth on the plants, may get a few nice buds. but again you gona think the genetics is kak if you don't get a good expression, cause of conditions. so yeah, a fine line of many different things you have to balance, not one or the other

[SHiNi]

On 11/4/2023 at 6:33 AM, Naughty.Psychonaut said:

Hammer on the head

the other side is if you got poop genetics doesn't matter what you do condition wise, it's gona come out poop. but you literally get all different creeds of "weed". I've grown incredibly frosty plants that taste horrible, grow the same cut a few times cause I think maybe I fucked it up, but then it comes out like that everytime. I've grown airy buds that have more resin than some dense buds I've grown. I've had super terpy and frosty nugs not make me high at all and I've had buds that don't look too frosty and got no smell got me more goofed than most generic strains... but then I don't enjoy the smoke so it's not like one or the other, it's more like there's a million different ways it can go, you on a tight rope and gotta find that balance by making sure you do many things right. for example, get the right seeds + do what ever you can to improve grow conditions + learn to speak plant so you don't have to wait to already see damage then fix it rather try avoiding damage at all costs, and a few other things. 

It's a pleasure typing them I can yap about plants and plant people all day. We love to present ourselves with this ethereal positivite force always in a good mood, always spreading postivity always affirming everything and there's no right or wrong way nature works in balance, that's the whole point. we have good and bad, right and wrong and even more than that we have a spectrum of how right and how wrong.

here is a photo I came across on the internet, some of my friends will have their jars filled with buds like these 

and that's perfectly fine for them, their priorities lies elsewhere, again not saying it to be mean, it just is what it is. people who get offended by the truth needs to accept and conform to the truth so they can be in a better mental state. People smoke leaf with no resin on. fuck knows why, I think it comes from a time being short of weed and now wanting to smoke as much as possible. and as they say, "beauty lies in the eye of the beholder" and some dudes just don't mind a woman with extra baggage  

to answer your question, I would say 1st thing to worry about is genetics for sure, almost just as important is light, stuff like a light leak may make you think you got herm genetics, but it's just a condition flaw. Weak light, insufficient light, wrong colour spectrum will all have you produce poooo. Like on a colour spectrum wheel, you have opposite ends, you can put the very best grow light on one end and on the other end you put a 10w CFL bulb, it's quite obvious that the cfl grow will produce the airiest fluffiest shittiest non smokable twig and leaf looking nonsense bud, where the grow with the decent light will already put you way ahead of the other grow. but then you can have the best genetics, best light, but you run your humidity too high you can suffocate and stunt growth on the plants, may get a few nice buds. but again you gona think the genetics is kak if you don't get a good expression, cause of conditions. so yeah, a fine line of many different things you have to balance, not one or the other

Lol so after reading this thread and looking at yout gorgeous bud porn and reading up on hay smell while drying my conditions was not optimal since it was a winter grow and was drying in the room was hot harvested 2 weeks ago. I opened the jars and started trimming away the leaves as best I could. I saw that I had more leaves in there then bud lmao thanks guys for the encouragement and looking forward to my next harvest.

This is all the leaves I got off the buds lol so you can imagine how bad it was

[SHiNi]

Didn't take a pic of buds outside of the jar but both were 3/4 full but this is what I'm left with 

[Naughty.Psychonaut]

5 hours ago, SHiNi said:

Lol so after reading this thread and looking at yout gorgeous bud porn and reading up on hay smell while drying my conditions was not optimal since it was a winter grow and was drying in the room was hot harvested 2 weeks ago. I opened the jars and started trimming away the leaves as best I could. I saw that I had more leaves in there then bud lmao thanks guys for the encouragement and looking forward to my next harvest.

This is all the leaves I got off the buds lol so you can imagine how bad it was

that doesn't look like too much brother, I've had way leafier strains, those buds look good from what I can see through the jars. hope you at least enjoying the smoke?

did you put them in jars untrimmed? I've seen lots of people doing that lately, but if you think about it, the resin carries the terpenes and all the other fun stuff and the resin is only in the trichomes, so putting any leaf you wouldn't smoke in a jar with a bud that smell will affect your bud. I personally just avoid it, cause I collect my sugar leaf for pressing and if you smell the bag of just sugar leaf already doesn't smell as good as the jars of bud. so I don't want the "not as good smell" drag the "very good smell" down at all. 

I don't bring anything that doesn't have trichomes on it close to my jars  

 

[SHiNi]

6 hours ago, Naughty.Psychonaut said:

that doesn't look like too much brother, I've had way leafier strains, those buds look good from what I can see through the jars. hope you at least enjoying the smoke?

did you put them in jars untrimmed? I've seen lots of people doing that lately, but if you think about it, the resin carries the terpenes and all the other fun stuff and the resin is only in the trichomes, so putting any leaf you wouldn't smoke in a jar with a bud that smell will affect your bud. I personally just avoid it, cause I collect my sugar leaf for pressing and if you smell the bag of just sugar leaf already doesn't smell as good as the jars of bud. so I don't want the "not as good smell" drag the "very good smell" down at all. 

I don't bring anything that doesn't have trichomes on it close to my jars  

 

Lol I just trimmed most of the big leaves of but left those between the buds and some R1 size leaves got tired of trimming lol and since I took them off no more hay smell after 24hrs just clean green . Haven't smoked some yet gonna give it another week for a smoke test thanks for the tip bro appreciate it you like a walking Wikipedia you always learn something if you just read.peace