New bay seeds strains

[The pomp 69]

Hi guys thinking of getting Odin Raven from bay seed. But since it's new want the know if anyone has tried growing or busy growing it?

[West Coast Vaper]

On 10/28/2024 at 2:24 PM, The pomp 69 said:

Hi guys thinking of getting Odin Raven from bay seed. But since it's new want the know if anyone has tried growing or busy growing it?

My personal experience. 

Haven't got my hands on Odin yet.

I have had the opportunity to grow @Bay Seeds fire for about 4 years now.

And his stuff just gets better.

 

If you new to growing his genetics, welcome to the club. 

Exited every time he has a new release. 

If you are under the impression that he is a new breeder I can understand your hesitation. 

He might be new online but truth be told, this man been pushing local genetics for some time.

 

Give it a go.

 

Check out my feed on his Strawberry Vostok from about 3 years ago

[The pomp 69]

15 hours ago, West Coast Vaper said:

My personal experience. 

Haven't got my hands on Odin yet.

I have had the opportunity to grow @Bay Seeds fire for about 4 years now.

And his stuff just gets better.

 

If you new to growing his genetics, welcome to the club. 

Exited every time he has a new release. 

If you are under the impression that he is a new breeder I can understand your hesitation. 

He might be new online but truth be told, this man been pushing local genetics for some time.

 

Give it a go.

 

Check out my feed on his Strawberry Vostok from about 3 years ago

I think Im getting the Odin's I just hope I can get to top their yield claim 350 to 500 per plant outdoors is alot of smoke three of those girls can last me a while. 

But since it sounds like you know the guy and have grow he beans how far out is the THC claims cos at 27-29 is impressive.  The reason I ask they say normally it's out by 5 or something like that. I wanted to get the mystic candy but oden looks promising and if I can get the as healthy as yours I'm sure I can get 400 Plus out to per plant if the claim is right. 

They mention you van top it to get bigger yields but I thought you don't top autos.. That's why I wanted to know if anybody grow one since it's new. But if you trust there genetics I'll give it a go cos from what I can see you know what your doing.

[West Coast Vaper]

On 10/31/2024 at 11:51 AM, The pomp 69 said:

I think Im getting the Odin's I just hope I can get to top their yield claim 350 to 500 per plant outdoors is alot of smoke three of those girls can last me a while. 

But since it sounds like you know the guy and have grow he beans how far out is the THC claims cos at 27-29 is impressive.  The reason I ask they say normally it's out by 5 or something like that. I wanted to get the mystic candy but oden looks promising and if I can get the as healthy as yours I'm sure I can get 400 Plus out to per plant if the claim is right. 

They mention you van top it to get bigger yields but I thought you don't top autos.. That's why I wanted to know if anybody grow one since it's new. But if you trust there genetics I'll give it a go cos from what I can see you know what your doing.

My wife steers clear of @Bay Seeds. A bit on the strong side she claims. 

Some people top but I'm the put in the soil and water guy.

I am no expert, I just plant plenty.

I've had good runs and just as many bad runs.

Success rate is getting better though the more I learn about autos. 

[West Coast Vaper]

On 10/31/2024 at 11:51 AM, The pomp 69 said:

I think Im getting the Odin's I just hope I can get to top their yield claim 350 to 500 per plant outdoors is alot of smoke three of those girls can last me a while. 

But since it sounds like you know the guy and have grow he beans how far out is the THC claims cos at 27-29 is impressive.  The reason I ask they say normally it's out by 5 or something like that. I wanted to get the mystic candy but oden looks promising and if I can get the as healthy as yours I'm sure I can get 400 Plus out to per plant if the claim is right. 

They mention you van top it to get bigger yields but I thought you don't top autos.. That's why I wanted to know if anybody grow one since it's new. But if you trust there genetics I'll give it a go cos from what I can see you know what your doing.

Push up bra of bud porn.

 

[The pomp 69]

Do you have your own line of genetics?

[West Coast Vaper]

On 11/1/2024 at 4:37 PM, The pomp 69 said:

Do you have your own line of genetics?

Nooo. I leave that to the professionals. 

I just put local genetics to test out here in my funny climate bubble.

[The pomp 69]

Your are an experienced grower right. There is this strain almost thought it's the purple one you got posted here but it's not the one Im talking about the buds are a bright dark purple and the where the stem touch the leaves it's also purple so basically when you look at the cola from above its purple and half way purple leaves I dont know the name but it's the most beautiful flower I ever saw maybe you in can help with the name and where to get seeds. I saw I guy growing it on you tube but never got the name.

[West Coast Vaper]

On 11/4/2024 at 11:33 AM, The pomp 69 said:

Your are an experienced grower right. There is this strain almost thought it's the purple one you got posted here but it's not the one Im talking about the buds are a bright dark purple and the where the stem touch the leaves it's also purple so basically when you look at the cola from above its purple and half way purple leaves I dont know the name but it's the most beautiful flower I ever saw maybe you in can help with the name and where to get seeds. I saw I guy growing it on you tube but never got the name.

Haunted Kush Cake from @Totemic and Vladimir from @Bay Seeds are the only purple I've grown.

 

[The pomp 69]

How do I get hold of them because their website only have a few strains or is that's all that's they sell to the public? 

[Bay Seeds]

20 hours ago, The pomp 69 said:

How do I get hold of them because their website only have a few strains or is that's all that's they sell to the public? 

hi bud

 

[Naughty.Psychonaut]

On 11/4/2024 at 11:33 AM, The pomp 69 said:

Your are an experienced grower right. There is this strain almost thought it's the purple one you got posted here but it's not the one Im talking about the buds are a bright dark purple and the where the stem touch the leaves it's also purple so basically when you look at the cola from above its purple and half way purple leaves I dont know the name but it's the most beautiful flower I ever saw maybe you in can help with the name and where to get seeds. I saw I guy growing it on you tube but never got the name.

Brother. I think your approach here is a bit willy nilly. What you're talking about is just a charactaristic. I understand hunting a specific strain, but in this case it doesn't make a lot of sense. Purple weed is not a specific strain. Even a plant that throws out only green buds can be manipulated to produce anthocyanins (the purple) through temperatures and what not. I've got a keeper cut here that I've been growing for years, if I harvest her during winter the buds are all purple, if I harvest her in summer the buds are all green. 

That's only scratching the surface, cause now we get into the scientific part of it. Alleles. Genetics. 

Purple buds can be genetic a genetic trait, where as some plants may never produce anthocyanins no matter what you do, some others may throw out purple without any manipulation. Now take that plant, produce seeds from it and you'll end up with a roughly 50/50 split between genetic codes. Here's a bit of a introduction to breeding and how purple/green is a selective trait when breeding genetics.

This will be something called "Phenotypes". You will often hear seasoned growers talk about phenos and "clone only" varieties. Every time you pop a seed you get different phenotype. This means your "XYZ" strain from seed wont look the same as your buddies seed from the exact same strain. In fact, buy a pack of 10 seeds, pop them all and let them teach you about phenotypical expression.

Now we get into plant plasticity. The ability of a plant to change it's phenotypical expressions in response to different environments. In a way it comes back to the plant being manipulated in order to get different expressions of the same genetic. This means, even if you do get the exact clone from the mother you're talking about, chances are great that you'll end up with something looking a bit different than what you where hoping for, cause you're growing in a completely different environment than the person who grew it you saw the photos of. Geographically different, environmentally different, hight above sea level differs, temp / humidity / time of year all these factor come into play. 

If you looking for something purple just buy a whole bunch of good seeds from reputable breeder of strains that are well known to throw out purple colour easily and work your way through them. You'll see what I'm talking about. Some aren't even gona go purple at all. 

Personally, I avoid any purple with a firey passion. Purple weed tastes horrible, ruins the terpene profile as 99,99% of weed that turns purple has a similar taste. It's something you learn through time, the same strains that turn purple, if you can manipulate them and keep them green you end up with a completely different bud, crazy full terpene profile. 

As anthocyanin is a compound on its own it's no wonder it has impact on the taste, if it's present to the eyes it'll be present to the taste buds when consuming. Purple weed is only for instagram / photos / bag appeal for sellers. It's a selling point, a gimmick. 

[The pomp 69]

Thanks alot bud that realy cleared up alot of things that I whas always wondering about why my weed never looks like the pics of the breeders. And yes I have grown purple weed like n sumer that didn't want to go purple I know the temperature plays a huge role there. Someone once lots me that it can even turn black if the conditions is cold enough and your plant is strong enough to withstand the temperature you can get black buds I tried once but my plant got stung the buds did turn black and whas good well it would have been very good if the plant growing higher than 30 cm. But that's what I want to try it's not actually for getting stoned there's alot better stuff for that it's just for the pictures.

But thank you again for clearing the pheno phenomenon.

[The pomp 69]

4 hours ago, Naughty.Psychonaut said:

Brother. I think your approach here is a bit willy nilly. What you're talking about is just a charactaristic. I understand hunting a specific strain, but in this case it doesn't make a lot of sense. Purple weed is not a specific strain. Even a plant that throws out only green buds can be manipulated to produce anthocyanins (the purple) through temperatures and what not. I've got a keeper cut here that I've been growing for years, if I harvest her during winter the buds are all purple, if I harvest her in summer the buds are all green. 

That's only scratching the surface, cause now we get into the scientific part of it. Alleles. Genetics. 

Purple buds can be genetic a genetic trait, where as some plants may never produce anthocyanins no matter what you do, some others may throw out purple without any manipulation. Now take that plant, produce seeds from it and you'll end up with a roughly 50/50 split between genetic codes. Here's a bit of a introduction to breeding and how purple/green is a selective trait when breeding genetics.

This will be something called "Phenotypes". You will often hear seasoned growers talk about phenos and "clone only" varieties. Every time you pop a seed you get different phenotype. This means your "XYZ" strain from seed wont look the same as your buddies seed from the exact same strain. In fact, buy a pack of 10 seeds, pop them all and let them teach you about phenotypical expression.

Now we get into plant plasticity. The ability of a plant to change it's phenotypical expressions in response to different environments. In a way it comes back to the plant being manipulated in order to get different expressions of the same genetic. This means, even if you do get the exact clone from the mother you're talking about, chances are great that you'll end up with something looking a bit different than what you where hoping for, cause you're growing in a completely different environment than the person who grew it you saw the photos of. Geographically different, environmentally different, hight above sea level differs, temp / humidity / time of year all these factor come into play. 

If you looking for something purple just buy a whole bunch of good seeds from reputable breeder of strains that are well known to throw out purple colour easily and work your way through them. You'll see what I'm talking about. Some aren't even gona go purple at all. 

Personally, I avoid any purple with a firey passion. Purple weed tastes horrible, ruins the terpene profile as 99,99% of weed that turns purple has a similar taste. It's something you learn through time, the same strains that turn purple, if you can manipulate them and keep them green you end up with a completely different bud, crazy full terpene profile. 

As anthocyanin is a compound on its own it's no wonder it has impact on the taste, if it's present to the eyes it'll be present to the taste buds when consuming. Purple weed is only for instagram / photos / bag appeal for sellers. It's a selling point, a gimmick. 

I forgot to ask how do you know what's a stud male and a stud female is it the one that pops and grow the fastest or because some start slow and next thing they past the early ones. That's something I'm struggling with selection that's my problem and it's the most important part I think.

[West Coast Vaper]

On 11/9/2024 at 8:01 AM, Naughty.Psychonaut said:

Brother. I think your approach here is a bit willy nilly. What you're talking about is just a charactaristic. I understand hunting a specific strain, but in this case it doesn't make a lot of sense. Purple weed is not a specific strain. Even a plant that throws out only green buds can be manipulated to produce anthocyanins (the purple) through temperatures and what not. I've got a keeper cut here that I've been growing for years, if I harvest her during winter the buds are all purple, if I harvest her in summer the buds are all green. 

That's only scratching the surface, cause now we get into the scientific part of it. Alleles. Genetics. 

Purple buds can be genetic a genetic trait, where as some plants may never produce anthocyanins no matter what you do, some others may throw out purple without any manipulation. Now take that plant, produce seeds from it and you'll end up with a roughly 50/50 split between genetic codes. Here's a bit of a introduction to breeding and how purple/green is a selective trait when breeding genetics.

This will be something called "Phenotypes". You will often hear seasoned growers talk about phenos and "clone only" varieties. Every time you pop a seed you get different phenotype. This means your "XYZ" strain from seed wont look the same as your buddies seed from the exact same strain. In fact, buy a pack of 10 seeds, pop them all and let them teach you about phenotypical expression.

Now we get into plant plasticity. The ability of a plant to change it's phenotypical expressions in response to different environments. In a way it comes back to the plant being manipulated in order to get different expressions of the same genetic. This means, even if you do get the exact clone from the mother you're talking about, chances are great that you'll end up with something looking a bit different than what you where hoping for, cause you're growing in a completely different environment than the person who grew it you saw the photos of. Geographically different, environmentally different, hight above sea level differs, temp / humidity / time of year all these factor come into play. 

If you looking for something purple just buy a whole bunch of good seeds from reputable breeder of strains that are well known to throw out purple colour easily and work your way through them. You'll see what I'm talking about. Some aren't even gona go purple at all. 

Personally, I avoid any purple with a firey passion. Purple weed tastes horrible, ruins the terpene profile as 99,99% of weed that turns purple has a similar taste. It's something you learn through time, the same strains that turn purple, if you can manipulate them and keep them green you end up with a completely different bud, crazy full terpene profile. 

As anthocyanin is a compound on its own it's no wonder it has impact on the taste, if it's present to the eyes it'll be present to the taste buds when consuming. Purple weed is only for instagram / photos / bag appeal for sellers. It's a selling point, a gimmick. 

Cheers for answer bud. I would never have been able to with so much info.

Yes. Both those above mentioned strains was when I planted towards the end of outdoor season expecting to see some purple. Not because I wanted to fool people but because I wanted to look and learn.

To be honest though, I'll leave the next late season grows until I can replace the shade cloth on my tunnel to plastic covering.

As you mention, manipulation can perform wonders.

[Naughty.Psychonaut]

On 11/9/2024 at 12:06 PM, The pomp 69 said:

I forgot to ask how do you know what's a stud male and a stud female is it the one that pops and grow the fastest or because some start slow and next thing they past the early ones. That's something I'm struggling with selection that's my problem and it's the most important part I think.

The thing with breeding is, there's no "one right way" to do it.

It's all about what you're going after. There's no particular stud, this is how we end up with all the different "strains". If every breeder did the same thing and looked for the same traits we would all be smoking one singular strain.

For females you obviously first go after the one that smokes the best, for males people use the "stem rub" method alot, where you simply rub your fingers on the stem and the one with the best smell wins. but that's still kinda random, cause good smell on stem doesn't always translate to strong viable pollen. 

Either way, it depends on what you're going for. A lot of breeders look into the first flowering male, this will lend a few traits of faster finishing times, but still some genetics finish flowering over 13+ weeks, it's obvious those are from both male and females that have longer flowering times. Though, you could argue about recessive genetics, cause as nature dictates - if you select a combination of what you would call perfect traits once you cross them the offspring will be a mix of prominent genetics and recessive genetics. A few of the plants may even look like runts, (not the strain, I mean runts of the litter) they wont look anything like the rest. They may be worse or they may even be better. 

Anyway, this is just some surface mumbo jumbo, not real breeding talk, but I bet you get the point. Don't look for anything specific, look for something you like.

[Naughty.Psychonaut]

On 11/11/2024 at 6:28 PM, West Coast Vaper said:

Cheers for answer bud. I would never have been able to with so much info.

Yes. Both those above mentioned strains was when I planted towards the end of outdoor season expecting to see some purple. Not because I wanted to fool people but because I wanted to look and learn.

To be honest though, I'll leave the next late season grows until I can replace the shade cloth on my tunnel to plastic covering.

As you mention, manipulation can perform wonders.

Yeah man, I grow mostly indoors and clone my own stuff, always end up with an extra that I just pop outside. No matter the time of the year I just let the plant do its thing. This gives me great perspective on phenotypical expression and how each "genetic" has many different expressions. 

On the same note of my one keeper that does better for me when flowering in warmer temps, I got another plant that does the exact opposite - warmer temps stunts bud development, it's like the plant doesn't like heat at all. Buds will mature way too soon, resin heads all turn amber, strats throwing nanners, plant wants to finish. The good thing is, when I harvest her during winter she doesn't throw out too much purple, cause to me that would be a sign to dump the plant. I seriously can't stand purple buds swell up like crazy, get very nice calyx stacks and the terpenes are loud as fuuuug. 

[The pomp 69]

3 hours ago, Naughty.Psychonaut said:

The thing with breeding is, there's no "one right way" to do it.

It's all about what you're going after. There's no particular stud, this is how we end up with all the different "strains". If every breeder did the same thing and looked for the same traits we would all be smoking one singular strain.

For females you obviously first go after the one that smokes the best, for males people use the "stem rub" method alot, where you simply rub your fingers on the stem and the one with the best smell wins. but that's still kinda random, cause good smell on stem doesn't always translate to strong viable pollen. 

Either way, it depends on what you're going for. A lot of breeders look into the first flowering male, this will lend a few traits of faster finishing times, but still some genetics finish flowering over 13+ weeks, it's obvious those are from both male and females that have longer flowering times. Though, you could argue about recessive genetics, cause as nature dictates - if you select a combination of what you would call perfect traits once you cross them the offspring will be a mix of prominent genetics and recessive genetics. A few of the plants may even look like runts, (not the strain, I mean runts of the litter) they wont look anything like the rest. They may be worse or they may even be better. 

Anyway, this is just some surface mumbo jumbo, not real breeding talk, but I bet you get the point. Don't look for anything specific, look for something you like.

 Okay thanx brother understand what to do when I get to that. When using calodial silver to shock the plant into making pollen can I harvest that pollen because it's female right? Can I cross another plant with that female pollen or is it only the female plant you get it from that will react to it? And if I do cross it will all the seeds be female?